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60 second visitors who perform a brief scan of the land you've worked on for years with all your heart and love, and then - after not really checking anything out - not the details you've painstakingly added, created, crafted and carved -- or -- anything -- hilariously rooted to the spot where they arrive -- not moving an inch to look around --
And then ZOOM!! ... take off as if the devil were on their tail ...
#Opensimfacts #NothingToSeeHere
And then ZOOM!! ... take off as if the devil were on their tail ...
#Opensimfacts #NothingToSeeHere
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omg. it happened! just wanted to visit your grid, landed bald headed in your welcome where literally nothing has appeared and then my firestorm crashed. i‘m so sorry! try tomorrow again 🌖
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Do yourself a favour and wear something that works for both wandering and yoga (and perhaps meditation) if you go visit Sakura.
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i am a slow wanderer and flyer and cammer. we landscaping connoisseurs are out there. perhaps only few, but i enjoy every well done sim!
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Thanks so much for this post, and all of the comments. It is good to see some feedback on this topic. I had always wondered about those 1 minute avatars. I kind of guessed it must have been because of the long load times which could discourage some. But now and then, on the rare occasion I'd see someone stay for 10, 20, 30 ... minutes. I think it is for those people that we create this stuff, but really it's just for myself. This opensim is an area to vent some extra creativity when I wish to take a break from IRL projects.
A while back I did start to create an item that would draw the path taken by an incoming avatar, laid over a mini map of the region. This might give me some idea of where people had visited. Obviously, it would be useless for the 1 minute avatars.
About paths. IRL I tend to seek out the places without paths. I believe that there are already way too many paths, streets, etc. So, in my region I won't be adding any paths. The closest thing I might have as a path might be the shore line. This is just my preference.
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A while back I did start to create an item that would draw the path taken by an incoming avatar, laid over a mini map of the region. This might give me some idea of where people had visited. Obviously, it would be useless for the 1 minute avatars.
About paths. IRL I tend to seek out the places without paths. I believe that there are already way too many paths, streets, etc. So, in my region I won't be adding any paths. The closest thing I might have as a path might be the shore line. This is just my preference.
thank you for everyone who weighed in! I really appreciate all the comments and outlooks, I love the Opensim and the people here, and I really do cherish and appreciate being a part of it! :) :)
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I recognise every word of this. I experience the same thing in my Samsara, people land, stand nailed to the spot, cam around for a minute or two, and disappear again as if the air itself pushed them out. They never walk, never let their feet touch the ground that someone shaped with care, never breathe in the atmosphere that took hours of heart and imagination to build. It feels rude, and it feels careless, and it makes you wonder when wandering stopped being a natural instinct.
Creators pour so much of themselves into these places, not for applause, but because the real world can be heavy, and building beauty is a way to stay human. You hope visitors will take a moment, look around, feel something, whisper a small oh or ah, anything that shows they noticed the soul in the work. Instead, many behave like sixty‑second tourists, scanning from a distance, never moving an inch, never touching the details that were carved with love.
And yet, we keep creating. We keep tending our worlds, because every now and then someone arrives who does walk, who does feel, who lets the place speak to them. Those rare ones make the whole effort worthwhile. They remind you why you built it in the first place, and why you will keep building, even when the quick visitors come and go like ghosts.
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Creators pour so much of themselves into these places, not for applause, but because the real world can be heavy, and building beauty is a way to stay human. You hope visitors will take a moment, look around, feel something, whisper a small oh or ah, anything that shows they noticed the soul in the work. Instead, many behave like sixty‑second tourists, scanning from a distance, never moving an inch, never touching the details that were carved with love.
And yet, we keep creating. We keep tending our worlds, because every now and then someone arrives who does walk, who does feel, who lets the place speak to them. Those rare ones make the whole effort worthwhile. They remind you why you built it in the first place, and why you will keep building, even when the quick visitors come and go like ghosts.
Leaving technical issues out of the picture, it's the entertainment industry - your landing point is the store front or the billboard.
You need to capture their interest and/or curiosity right away.
They may think you did a great job but not be looking for what you have, they may be exploring and shortlisting places that seem worth a longer visit.
None of this means you made a poor or uninteresting place, it just means that maybe you should get some feedback from people - ask a select few to come and visit and give you their thoughts.
There have been some fantastic places that didn't work for some people and some "least effort" places that just seem to click.
The bottom line is make the sim you love, that you're proud of.
"You can't please all of the people all of the time"
Just make sure your efforts please you :)
...and above all, have fun!
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You need to capture their interest and/or curiosity right away.
They may think you did a great job but not be looking for what you have, they may be exploring and shortlisting places that seem worth a longer visit.
None of this means you made a poor or uninteresting place, it just means that maybe you should get some feedback from people - ask a select few to come and visit and give you their thoughts.
There have been some fantastic places that didn't work for some people and some "least effort" places that just seem to click.
The bottom line is make the sim you love, that you're proud of.
"You can't please all of the people all of the time"
Just make sure your efforts please you :)
...and above all, have fun!
I must admit I am guilty of landing at a place and leaving shortly after. I normally don't last long if the vibe of the place doesn't tickle me. If there is too much stuff to load and its a lag fest I will leave. If I land in a flat grassy sim with a few trees scattered about and a random building plonked here or there then I won't stay long.
I like to find a path and wander to see what is around the corner. I enjoy well considered sight lines. I love it when I find a well designed beautiful place that is running smoothly and the creator has considered the performance by not overloading the view with excessive polygons and massive textures. Make every polygon count and use them sparingly. Don't cram in so much that my viewer slows to a crawl. Sometimes less is more.
I remember one woman landing on my region who wandered about for a minute. She then came up to me and said "What is the point of this place, there is nothing here" and left.
The sim was full of roads, scenery and buildings I had made, but didn't have any shopping areas as I didn't want to lag up the place with the same generic stuff you find everywhere. It was designed as a hangout/explore region.
After a while I figured people don't want to come and hangout and chat or enjoy the environment/scenery I have made. I ended up taking all my beacons offline. Now I only turn on my regions when I'm online and that is getting less often as the novelty has worn off.
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I like to find a path and wander to see what is around the corner. I enjoy well considered sight lines. I love it when I find a well designed beautiful place that is running smoothly and the creator has considered the performance by not overloading the view with excessive polygons and massive textures. Make every polygon count and use them sparingly. Don't cram in so much that my viewer slows to a crawl. Sometimes less is more.
I remember one woman landing on my region who wandered about for a minute. She then came up to me and said "What is the point of this place, there is nothing here" and left.
The sim was full of roads, scenery and buildings I had made, but didn't have any shopping areas as I didn't want to lag up the place with the same generic stuff you find everywhere. It was designed as a hangout/explore region.
After a while I figured people don't want to come and hangout and chat or enjoy the environment/scenery I have made. I ended up taking all my beacons offline. Now I only turn on my regions when I'm online and that is getting less often as the novelty has worn off.
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Most OpenSim users nowadays are only looking for two things.
One, freebie sims with new hot ripped SL stuff (and ideally with ONLY that). Basically another R. Lion/Starchild/Sciattisi/Tierra de Volcanes that they happen to not have heard of yet.
Two, a party that unfolds right in front of their EvoX-textured virtual noses right after teleporting in, of course with an audience that speaks their mother language and a DJ who only plays the kind of music they like.
Interestingly, it seems like the same folks who stay still while camming around looking for stuff to copy or buy can't be arsed to look for the party that shall be on the sim according to the avatar count, but that they can't see in front of them. Either that, or the majority of OpenSim users don't know how to use the map.
I mean, I'd love for sims in OpenSim to be more immersive and interactive and, in a certain way, realistic. But actually making them that is pearls before swine because hardly anyone else would appreciate it. On the other hand, if someone simply dropped hundreds of Legacy/EvoX/Doux-based complete avatar boxes on a flat grass square and added new ones daily, it'd be one of the top 20 most popular sims even without AFK avatars because people would come in droves.
You've also hit the nail on the head with utterly underdeveloped sims. It has happened often enough that sim builders dropped half a dozen items onto a completely unterraformed flat sim, one of which was an OSW beacon, registered it on OSW and didn't do anything else from that point on.
What's the point in advertising a sim at such an early stage of construction? Especially if the sim owner can't get their act together and finish the damn thing or at least make it no longer look like the result of some five minutes of building?
Sure, maybe they have some ambitious plans. Maybe they dream of another Zweet ZurroundingZ or Samsara or Lucidus or Alfheim (Jimmy Olsen's old Norwegian sim with daycycles and weather sync'd up with real-life Tromsø), a superbly crafted place with no visible unterraformed sim ground or none at all. But then they discover that it's going to take a whole lot of time and a whole lot of effort and a whole lot of learning new stuff, so they essentially quit within not even an hour of building. Still, why do they have to register such an early WIP on OSW?
It gets even better when they decide to start over and remove all objects except for the beacon. On a varsim. And when you would love to walk the paths of a well-designed sim and enjoy its beauty, you'll actually end up walking around for minutes seeing nothing but flat sim ground, wondering where the beacon could possibly be.
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One, freebie sims with new hot ripped SL stuff (and ideally with ONLY that). Basically another R. Lion/Starchild/Sciattisi/Tierra de Volcanes that they happen to not have heard of yet.
Two, a party that unfolds right in front of their EvoX-textured virtual noses right after teleporting in, of course with an audience that speaks their mother language and a DJ who only plays the kind of music they like.
Interestingly, it seems like the same folks who stay still while camming around looking for stuff to copy or buy can't be arsed to look for the party that shall be on the sim according to the avatar count, but that they can't see in front of them. Either that, or the majority of OpenSim users don't know how to use the map.
I mean, I'd love for sims in OpenSim to be more immersive and interactive and, in a certain way, realistic. But actually making them that is pearls before swine because hardly anyone else would appreciate it. On the other hand, if someone simply dropped hundreds of Legacy/EvoX/Doux-based complete avatar boxes on a flat grass square and added new ones daily, it'd be one of the top 20 most popular sims even without AFK avatars because people would come in droves.
You've also hit the nail on the head with utterly underdeveloped sims. It has happened often enough that sim builders dropped half a dozen items onto a completely unterraformed flat sim, one of which was an OSW beacon, registered it on OSW and didn't do anything else from that point on.
What's the point in advertising a sim at such an early stage of construction? Especially if the sim owner can't get their act together and finish the damn thing or at least make it no longer look like the result of some five minutes of building?
Sure, maybe they have some ambitious plans. Maybe they dream of another Zweet ZurroundingZ or Samsara or Lucidus or Alfheim (Jimmy Olsen's old Norwegian sim with daycycles and weather sync'd up with real-life Tromsø), a superbly crafted place with no visible unterraformed sim ground or none at all. But then they discover that it's going to take a whole lot of time and a whole lot of effort and a whole lot of learning new stuff, so they essentially quit within not even an hour of building. Still, why do they have to register such an early WIP on OSW?
It gets even better when they decide to start over and remove all objects except for the beacon. On a varsim. And when you would love to walk the paths of a well-designed sim and enjoy its beauty, you'll actually end up walking around for minutes seeing nothing but flat sim ground, wondering where the beacon could possibly be.
To be honest, I've been guilty of that, it's happened when I have more plans and ambition than time and energy IRL. 🤷♀️
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Sometimes things rezz so long that you just can’t bear to wait any longer.
Otherwise, I assume that you’ve primarily put “years of wholehearted and loving” work into your place because YOU(!!!) enjoy it and find it fulfilling. Because that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? ;-)
Keep up the good work, and just be happy when a visitor stays a little longer or even leaves a compliment—but don’t get upset if it doesn’t happen every time.
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Otherwise, I assume that you’ve primarily put “years of wholehearted and loving” work into your place because YOU(!!!) enjoy it and find it fulfilling. Because that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? ;-)
Keep up the good work, and just be happy when a visitor stays a little longer or even leaves a compliment—but don’t get upset if it doesn’t happen every time.
Yes, there are people like that. But there are also those who take their time to look around. Although, I would find it interesting if such a notorious whirlwind visitor would explain why they do it that way.
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This and other problems (bandwidth, risk of being blind-sided by security issues, having to potentially risk hearing BS complaints bc I build in prims, etc) are some of the reasons I tend to keep my regions mostly closed (invite only basis, essentially). I don't need the headache because -as others have advised- I'm mostly building for myself.
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When I build, I build for me, but I am always bemused by those visitors who just remain briefly at the information centre they land in. I guess they may be camming around, but the won't find much they want because the vast majority of things on my builds I have created myself. I do have some of my creations freely available in a shop, and i have seen some of the items I have made around the multiverse which I'm pleased to see. I'm glad some have found a use for some of the things I have made.
I have disabled flight on my builds, mainly because for all the terrain I build very much from an avatar eye viewpoint and my builds are designed to be viewed from that level - it means setting your viewer to first person shooter kind of view, but that's the only way to see my builds the way I intended.
I get relatively few visitors, which doesn't bother me, but it's always nice when someone visits and likes what they see. But most seem to be in OS to fulfill some kind of Barbie obesssion, so my very limited contributions are of little to no interest. Most of my builds are still plain prims, not 'meshed' though I do like mesh accessories (windows and fitments etc). This shouldn't bother anyone but the most finicky of mesh snobs, of which there is a superabundance.
Most of those I know who are builders (in the classic OS sense) couldn't give a fig about whether people visit or not, we build for our own pleasure, improving our skills with each new build, taking inspiration from the builds of others.
There are those who appreciate our building efforts, the ever popular HG Safari is proof of that and I've had visits to several of my builds, each causing the usual unpredictable chaos involved in an HG Safari visit! All good clean fun, and a reminder of the original OS of a decade or so ago in the days of iffy hypergrid teleports and the D&J Friday Party at Close Encounters and the OpenSim Creations website.
But at the end of the day, each to their own, and if the style side of things is where you get your enjoyment, fair enough. But do try building... But, be warned, it's hellish addictive!
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I have disabled flight on my builds, mainly because for all the terrain I build very much from an avatar eye viewpoint and my builds are designed to be viewed from that level - it means setting your viewer to first person shooter kind of view, but that's the only way to see my builds the way I intended.
I get relatively few visitors, which doesn't bother me, but it's always nice when someone visits and likes what they see. But most seem to be in OS to fulfill some kind of Barbie obesssion, so my very limited contributions are of little to no interest. Most of my builds are still plain prims, not 'meshed' though I do like mesh accessories (windows and fitments etc). This shouldn't bother anyone but the most finicky of mesh snobs, of which there is a superabundance.
Most of those I know who are builders (in the classic OS sense) couldn't give a fig about whether people visit or not, we build for our own pleasure, improving our skills with each new build, taking inspiration from the builds of others.
There are those who appreciate our building efforts, the ever popular HG Safari is proof of that and I've had visits to several of my builds, each causing the usual unpredictable chaos involved in an HG Safari visit! All good clean fun, and a reminder of the original OS of a decade or so ago in the days of iffy hypergrid teleports and the D&J Friday Party at Close Encounters and the OpenSim Creations website.
But at the end of the day, each to their own, and if the style side of things is where you get your enjoyment, fair enough. But do try building... But, be warned, it's hellish addictive!
I think there's a lot of very short attention spans in all worlds these days. Don't quit. Obviously you do this because you love it. I always figure I love my regions enough that if anyone else enjoys them it's just a bonus. And maybe the devil is on their tail...lol
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I wasn't going to quit Jamie but thank you xx I just kinda wanted to see what others felt about it. Not just about it happening on our Grid but others too .. I see it all the time. Didnt mean to start anything bad haha ..
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if u are building regions for others joiment u might consider to quit.
no one really cares here unless they can copy or buy something they do not own yet.
my tip to you.
build for yourself.
if that doesn't fulfil your desires.
u might considering to take a few steps back rethink your reasons why u are putting so much time in opensimulator in the first place.
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no one really cares here unless they can copy or buy something they do not own yet.
my tip to you.
build for yourself.
if that doesn't fulfil your desires.
u might considering to take a few steps back rethink your reasons why u are putting so much time in opensimulator in the first place.
oh it fulfils my desires. It was just an observation. Thanks for the 'tip'. Should I quit? Wow thats pretty awesome advice .. thank you! ^^
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Name every object out on the region to "Thingy", then they at least cannot grab stuff by area search, might give some incentive to look around
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This is probably why hardly any sim builder can be bothered to build paths or, if applicable, even install some form of automated transportation: Nobody will ever use either. People prefer standing where they've landed and camming around for cool new stuff to copy. Basically the only reason why they've teleported in in the first place.
If only they were as eager trying to find parties that they didn't land right next to...
And this is also why hardly anyone can be bothered to make their sims interactive with scripted objects. That is, except for dance machines, Greedy tables and sex furniture. Just ask yourself why there are beds with hundreds of sex animation, but not even one single solo sleeping animation.
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If only they were as eager trying to find parties that they didn't land right next to...
And this is also why hardly anyone can be bothered to make their sims interactive with scripted objects. That is, except for dance machines, Greedy tables and sex furniture. Just ask yourself why there are beds with hundreds of sex animation, but not even one single solo sleeping animation.
oh! i have found a wonderful bed with one-person sleeps in! different! even a drunk one is in & 1 or 2 very cute sleeps! (still can‘t get over the evoX-noses >.< :D … and i just wear one)
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yeah but .. there's lands we have that are massive. We've spent huge amounts of time on them. No way can 30-60 seconds let anyone check it all, whatsoever other than the bare min. But its all good, it was just something I keep noticing, not just my grid either!
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Of course, it's not just your grid. Tons of people build for months, even years. Just be proud of what you do. And most importantly, have fun doing it. Do you tour Opensim, and walk through all of the grids? Just curious. I will add you to my list of places to visit. There are so many, it would almost be a full time job. lol
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oh my I haven't gone to all but a lot, yes, in all the years I have been here :) I try to really walk around and give it a fair go. Every where I go, I see the love, care, time and effort put in. It really does mean something.
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Same, I never rely just on camming around. Jupiter made an excellent point. We dont have sex or dance and the most active regions are always the shopping ones. Just the way it is ..
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