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The worst cases are easily those who not only are very ban-happy, but who ban out of the blue.
I've seen grids which included into their rules that they reserve themselves the right to ban anyone for any reason. Like, on a whim. Upon first strike. With no explanation whatsoever. Just like so. Certainly safe environments, especially for those who aren't BFFs with the whole grid staff.
"You did something in our grid that we don't expect anyone to do: BAN!" (This could probably something as basic as walking along an existing path if the grid owners expect everyone to use the teleporters for convenience.)
"You're friends with/you don't take position against X: BAN!" (Bonus points if they come and seek an alliance with you against another "foe" a few months later.)
"We know from hearsay that you were at Y's party six weeks ago: BAN!"
"When we started this new weekly event, you refused to stop your own simultaneous one which we see as competition: YOUR WHOLE HOME GRID IS BANNED AND SO ARE ALL GRIDS THAT ARE ON YOUR SIDE!" (And then they still expect to have at least 40 party attendees every week.)
"You've criticised/not agreed with me/my friend Z seven years ago: BAN!" (Again, until they need an ally.)
"You've reported a bug on one of my sims to me? BAN FOR PERSONAL INSULT! MY SIMS ARE ALL FUCKING PERFECT, BITCH!"
"You have an avatar on Y's grid? WE'LL BAN ALL YOUR AVATARS REGARDLESS OF GRID! AND WE'LL BAN ANYONE WHOM WE CONSIDER AN ALT OF YOU! FUCK FALSE POSITIVES, THERE ARE NO FALSE POSITIVES!"
"You use content from X on your avatar/on your sim? BAN!"
"Someone on my side has trolled/attacked/griefed you on OSW/in-world, and you've dared to defend yourself or even retaliate: BAN FOR YOU AND EVERYONE WE THINK IS YOUR FRIEND!"
In fact, why stop at banning if they can also block you on OSW and only unblock you for a minute or two to attack and harass you all the way to suggesting suicide or all-out death threats whenever the hell you post anything anywhere?
If you think this is bad on English-speaking grids, look at the German OSW scene. Have you ever come across American OpenSim users who, in all sincerity, not only want to see a certain US-based grid destroyed permanently, but also the whole grid staff physically dead in real life ASAP?
Well, then there are those who do go by defined rules, but who don't make them public. It's often a case of being too lazy to publish rules because they're allegedly common knowledge everywhere.
For example, such people may define the Adult rating as "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed". But they don't say so anywhere. Then someone who lives by Second Life's rules comes in naked. And they're banned on the spot. Oftentimes, the reasoning is that "no child avatars allowed" allegedly IS OpenSim's entire official definition of the Adult rating, and that allegedly everyone knows this anyway, so there's no need to write it down anywhere. That is, this is much more common for specific sims. But the only OpenSim grid that has ever published official written definitions of the ratings is DigiWorldz, and even they allow their sim owners to bend the Adult rating to "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed".
Speaking of child avatars, if they aren't allowed somewhere, there should be a definition of what's considered a child avatar. And that definition should be part of the rule, it should be written down somewhere where people will actually read it, and this definition and only this definition should be used to judge whether an avatar counts as underage.
Some sim owners or grid owners define "underage" by avatar height. They may even have a child gate in place. But they don't communicate anywhere what's the minimum height for an avatar to count as grown-up. And then they configure it to 6' or 180cm. Again, they don't say so anywhere because they think "everybody knows" that avatars below that height are kids.
Others say they decide on the spot whether an avatar looks underage or not. They don't have any fixed criteria, and even if they did, they couldn't be bothered to write them down. If your avatar feels underage to them, you're out. This, however, is a total minefield for all avatars that don't go the maxxed-out badassitude path for male avatars or the maxxed-out sexiness path for female avatars. See here: https://opensimworld.com/post/108261
NB: I'm not an illegalist radical anarchist who breaks rules just because they exist and in order to try and make them disappear. I do try to adhere to rules whenever and wherever possible. In fact, Juno still has a bad feeling about visiting OSgrid Plazas wearing sheer tights along with underwear under a calf-length skirt. There's the "no exposed underwear" rule, other avatars' experience has proven that what's visible when camming up a skirt may pretty well count as "exposed", and sheer tights don't completely cover up the underwear underneath. The OSgrid Plazas are a case in which the rules are communicated, but where it isn't entirely clear to which extent they're applied and enforced.
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I've seen grids which included into their rules that they reserve themselves the right to ban anyone for any reason. Like, on a whim. Upon first strike. With no explanation whatsoever. Just like so. Certainly safe environments, especially for those who aren't BFFs with the whole grid staff.
"You did something in our grid that we don't expect anyone to do: BAN!" (This could probably something as basic as walking along an existing path if the grid owners expect everyone to use the teleporters for convenience.)
"You're friends with/you don't take position against X: BAN!" (Bonus points if they come and seek an alliance with you against another "foe" a few months later.)
"We know from hearsay that you were at Y's party six weeks ago: BAN!"
"When we started this new weekly event, you refused to stop your own simultaneous one which we see as competition: YOUR WHOLE HOME GRID IS BANNED AND SO ARE ALL GRIDS THAT ARE ON YOUR SIDE!" (And then they still expect to have at least 40 party attendees every week.)
"You've criticised/not agreed with me/my friend Z seven years ago: BAN!" (Again, until they need an ally.)
"You've reported a bug on one of my sims to me? BAN FOR PERSONAL INSULT! MY SIMS ARE ALL FUCKING PERFECT, BITCH!"
"You have an avatar on Y's grid? WE'LL BAN ALL YOUR AVATARS REGARDLESS OF GRID! AND WE'LL BAN ANYONE WHOM WE CONSIDER AN ALT OF YOU! FUCK FALSE POSITIVES, THERE ARE NO FALSE POSITIVES!"
"You use content from X on your avatar/on your sim? BAN!"
"Someone on my side has trolled/attacked/griefed you on OSW/in-world, and you've dared to defend yourself or even retaliate: BAN FOR YOU AND EVERYONE WE THINK IS YOUR FRIEND!"
In fact, why stop at banning if they can also block you on OSW and only unblock you for a minute or two to attack and harass you all the way to suggesting suicide or all-out death threats whenever the hell you post anything anywhere?
If you think this is bad on English-speaking grids, look at the German OSW scene. Have you ever come across American OpenSim users who, in all sincerity, not only want to see a certain US-based grid destroyed permanently, but also the whole grid staff physically dead in real life ASAP?
Well, then there are those who do go by defined rules, but who don't make them public. It's often a case of being too lazy to publish rules because they're allegedly common knowledge everywhere.
For example, such people may define the Adult rating as "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed". But they don't say so anywhere. Then someone who lives by Second Life's rules comes in naked. And they're banned on the spot. Oftentimes, the reasoning is that "no child avatars allowed" allegedly IS OpenSim's entire official definition of the Adult rating, and that allegedly everyone knows this anyway, so there's no need to write it down anywhere. That is, this is much more common for specific sims. But the only OpenSim grid that has ever published official written definitions of the ratings is DigiWorldz, and even they allow their sim owners to bend the Adult rating to "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed".
Speaking of child avatars, if they aren't allowed somewhere, there should be a definition of what's considered a child avatar. And that definition should be part of the rule, it should be written down somewhere where people will actually read it, and this definition and only this definition should be used to judge whether an avatar counts as underage.
Some sim owners or grid owners define "underage" by avatar height. They may even have a child gate in place. But they don't communicate anywhere what's the minimum height for an avatar to count as grown-up. And then they configure it to 6' or 180cm. Again, they don't say so anywhere because they think "everybody knows" that avatars below that height are kids.
Others say they decide on the spot whether an avatar looks underage or not. They don't have any fixed criteria, and even if they did, they couldn't be bothered to write them down. If your avatar feels underage to them, you're out. This, however, is a total minefield for all avatars that don't go the maxxed-out badassitude path for male avatars or the maxxed-out sexiness path for female avatars. See here: https://opensimworld.com/post/108261
NB: I'm not an illegalist radical anarchist who breaks rules just because they exist and in order to try and make them disappear. I do try to adhere to rules whenever and wherever possible. In fact, Juno still has a bad feeling about visiting OSgrid Plazas wearing sheer tights along with underwear under a calf-length skirt. There's the "no exposed underwear" rule, other avatars' experience has proven that what's visible when camming up a skirt may pretty well count as "exposed", and sheer tights don't completely cover up the underwear underneath. The OSgrid Plazas are a case in which the rules are communicated, but where it isn't entirely clear to which extent they're applied and enforced.
Unless you intentionally go naked because a) you're a nudist or an exhibitionist, and b) the place is Adult-rated.
I know one case in which an avid nudist was banned from a sim that was Adult-rated, but that was Adult-rated just to keep child avatars out, and that was actually very very uptight. That nudist challenged the ban on the grounds of what the Adult rating actually means. Result: The sim was forced to downrate to Moderate both in-world and on OSW.
Oh, and when an avatar is showing a mesh body, a mesh head, mesh hair, maybe even mesh shoes and mesh accessories, but no clothes whatsoever, it isn't worth waiting for the clothes to rez. There are no clothes that could possibly rez.
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I know one case in which an avid nudist was banned from a sim that was Adult-rated, but that was Adult-rated just to keep child avatars out, and that was actually very very uptight. That nudist challenged the ban on the grounds of what the Adult rating actually means. Result: The sim was forced to downrate to Moderate both in-world and on OSW.
Oh, and when an avatar is showing a mesh body, a mesh head, mesh hair, maybe even mesh shoes and mesh accessories, but no clothes whatsoever, it isn't worth waiting for the clothes to rez. There are no clothes that could possibly rez.
Personally - I don't mind grids doing this. They show early on that they arent the grids I want to go to anyway - saves me hassle lol.
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I actually never ban inworld. Occasionally, someone would come to our parties with a child avatar and make sexual advances to the attendees via IM. I ban such people immediately, without warning. Here on osw, it's different. If I'm continually insulted, I block the person. But never for such ridiculously silly reasons, like for expressing political opinions or because I don't like their pictures. Unfortunately, there are some idiots here who have blocked me for these reasons. Let them, I don't need these people to be happy. *lol*
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The best thing OpenSim seems to have in this regard is monthly Hypergrid access subscriptions for real-life money.
Not that any grid has ever actually implemented these or anything...
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Not that any grid has ever actually implemented these or anything...
I am also banned in some grids and I wonder why that is. I don't like it when people know I have not done anything wrong.
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Good post. I would like to add that not all grid owners are businesses. Many of the smaller ones are basically people doing it because they enjoy it, because it's a nice way to make friends and spend time with them, etc. They pour their own money into their grid and/or just about break even. And so your stance as a land owner to ban people who upset you or behave in ways that go against what you stand for.. goes for these grid owners, just as well. Have I come across grid owners who enjoy the "power" it gives them and who really are very unpleasant individuals and who ban for no other reason than the fact they don't like you, your sexual orientation, mental make up, your gender, your political choices or whatever other reason, even for the sole reason someone else from your grid did something they didn't like and so they resorted to banning the entire grid? Definitely. Even amongst business run grids. But to a lot of smaller grid owners this is a hobby, not a business, and they have every right to not want people who disrupt the peace, spout hatred or even the fact they "just don't like them" from the virtual living room their grid is to them. I have been in Opensim for less than a year and I am seeing this whole "everything needs to be free for everyone" credo which I absolutely LOVE has a distinct downside: entitled behavior. People demanding access, demanding copies of my things that I got no transfer and refused to "God mode" to fullperm so they could have a copy, demanding to know why I blocked them on Opensimworld (newsflash: for my own peace of mind, some people are instigators and I have every right to not want to see their verbal diarrhea or the nasty it invokes in others) and so I can fully imagine some grid owners do the same thing. Unless we have a business relationship with them and pay them for their services we are not entitled to anything. And even if we do pay them and they are not happy with us or we are not happy with them.. just leave, find a better grid, carry on with your virtual life. It's not like we lost a fortune in stuff bought with real money on their grid and will now have to buy all over again. Oh wait, that was Second Life and the very reason I left there.
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My grid is just my personal playground that I've opened up to anyone who wants to visit - or live here. To date I have never banned anyone. I try to be pleasent to everyone who visits and help them whenever I can. My number one rule really that would make me consider banning someone would be them being generally "unpleasent". I won't ban someone for being a child avatar even on the regions that I have listed as Adult - so long as they arent behaving inappropriately and even then I would message them first before banning as a last resort.
OFC That's just me - I am not saying that's how anyone else should run their grid - but the number one thing for my grid - is it makes me happy - and being pleasent to others and hopefully getting that back - is what makes me happy :)
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OFC That's just me - I am not saying that's how anyone else should run their grid - but the number one thing for my grid - is it makes me happy - and being pleasent to others and hopefully getting that back - is what makes me happy :)
I read this post, did a bit more reading, read your "about" and came back to applaud and complement you on a very lucid and meaningful post.
Of course the abuse will begin now, but not from me.
The fact that you're an educator alone should give you standing in a place that surely needs more "think before speaking" responders.
Also a fan of Daneel BTW.
Keep on keeping on Xenon.
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Of course the abuse will begin now, but not from me.
The fact that you're an educator alone should give you standing in a place that surely needs more "think before speaking" responders.
Also a fan of Daneel BTW.
Keep on keeping on Xenon.
Heartbreaking lie and hypocrisy!
Would you tell me why you banned me? Because I don't want to be transgender and because I don't want to admit the total superiority of transgender people over mere mortals.
I advise you to delete this incriminating comment and continue to scream about how guilty everyone YOU banned is!
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Would you tell me why you banned me? Because I don't want to be transgender and because I don't want to admit the total superiority of transgender people over mere mortals.
I advise you to delete this incriminating comment and continue to scream about how guilty everyone YOU banned is!
I have rarely ever banned anybody from our grid, but if I did it was for a very good reason. I also do not like to ban people and do my best to avoid it, so far only 2 that I know of are banned and both for disrespecting behavioral protocol like fighting with other grid members or taking things from other grid members that did not belong to them. We have 0 tolerance for disrespecting other grid members or their property.
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Not sure of what's the story behind, but I am honestly tired of people banning people from spaces unless it's the last resort.
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I agree. I suppose the grids would work together and not ban each other because one took the stuff of the others. After all, everything is free and for sharing, isn't it?
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"Don't you dare steal my stolen stuff!"
Bonus points for the "stolen stuff" being previously no-transfer content itself that was god-moded and then made no-transfer again. Extra bonus points if the self-same stuff is available full-perm all across the Hypergrid anyway.
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Bonus points for the "stolen stuff" being previously no-transfer content itself that was god-moded and then made no-transfer again. Extra bonus points if the self-same stuff is available full-perm all across the Hypergrid anyway.
Jupiter's reply to this is one reason.
The other reason is as as you imply to get people to come get it from YOUR own region - to get traffic. The problem is - this works and is "ok" in Second Life - as stuff "stays" but in OpenSim - regions/stores - they vanish without a trace at a moment's notice. Telling someone where you got something free so they can go back to get that something free from the same place you got it from..... good chance its not actually THERE anymore. That's just ONE problem with this approach in OpenSim (from where I look at it)
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The other reason is as as you imply to get people to come get it from YOUR own region - to get traffic. The problem is - this works and is "ok" in Second Life - as stuff "stays" but in OpenSim - regions/stores - they vanish without a trace at a moment's notice. Telling someone where you got something free so they can go back to get that something free from the same place you got it from..... good chance its not actually THERE anymore. That's just ONE problem with this approach in OpenSim (from where I look at it)
I'm collecting old clothes that may still be useful and that were (most likely) not ripped from SL for this reason.
I've rescued quite a bunch of skin-tight layer clothes that are no longer available anywhere else, most recently Oopsee Joseppe's stockings, or at least increasingly hard to come by. I have most of the Damien Fate tank top/miniskirts which I think were textured by Illiana Blachere, and my goal is to get them all. And I may be among the last to have a full set of Deva Moda clothes and make-up, now that Klamotto is falling apart. I've dedicated a shop to these things. And I may use the shop next door for rescued body parts such as Anette Hummel's male hair.
None of this is no-transfer, though. Even if some of it should be, it has become pointless.
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I've rescued quite a bunch of skin-tight layer clothes that are no longer available anywhere else, most recently Oopsee Joseppe's stockings, or at least increasingly hard to come by. I have most of the Damien Fate tank top/miniskirts which I think were textured by Illiana Blachere, and my goal is to get them all. And I may be among the last to have a full set of Deva Moda clothes and make-up, now that Klamotto is falling apart. I've dedicated a shop to these things. And I may use the shop next door for rescued body parts such as Anette Hummel's male hair.
None of this is no-transfer, though. Even if some of it should be, it has become pointless.
Well, no-transfer can be justified. For example, if you've obtained SL content legally with the consent of the creators, but under the condition that you do offer it with limited permissions so that others can't put it into their freebie stores. This is why the late Trizzy Hunter offered her clothes no-mod, no-transfer. This is why most content at The Cat's Meow is no-transfer and only available to group members.
It's also common for original creators to offer their stuff no-transfer, simply to keep others from putting it into their "found it on the Hypergrid" freebie malls. Sometimes it's to see how popular their content is by counting sim visitors. Sometimes they simply want to have the option to replace their content with upgraded versions, and they don't want people to go on picking up the old versions from random freebie stores. I mean, the Hypergrid is chock-full of outdated Clubmasters, outdated Ruth 2.0, outdated Super Sex Bed Mattresses etc. because nobody ever picks them up at their official sources, only at random freebie malls instead.
Most of the time, however, it's stuff fairly freshly ripped from SL with no-one's consent. And it's made no-transfer for the sim/shop owners to offer the newest hottest shit (which sometimes isn't even actually new) exclusively so that people flock to their store to pick it up. Instant single-digit popularity ranking on OSW. Or so they hope. This is why we seem to have, like, ten different copies of the Legacy body: Everyone wants it in-store, but everyone wants to have it exclusively, and so everyone offers it no-transfer.
And then there are those who take stuff that they've found on the Hypergrid and make it no-transfer, simply to try and keep others from using their stuff to fill competing freebie sims. As if these aspiring competitors couldn't get the self-same content elsewhere.
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It's also common for original creators to offer their stuff no-transfer, simply to keep others from putting it into their "found it on the Hypergrid" freebie malls. Sometimes it's to see how popular their content is by counting sim visitors. Sometimes they simply want to have the option to replace their content with upgraded versions, and they don't want people to go on picking up the old versions from random freebie stores. I mean, the Hypergrid is chock-full of outdated Clubmasters, outdated Ruth 2.0, outdated Super Sex Bed Mattresses etc. because nobody ever picks them up at their official sources, only at random freebie malls instead.
Most of the time, however, it's stuff fairly freshly ripped from SL with no-one's consent. And it's made no-transfer for the sim/shop owners to offer the newest hottest shit (which sometimes isn't even actually new) exclusively so that people flock to their store to pick it up. Instant single-digit popularity ranking on OSW. Or so they hope. This is why we seem to have, like, ten different copies of the Legacy body: Everyone wants it in-store, but everyone wants to have it exclusively, and so everyone offers it no-transfer.
And then there are those who take stuff that they've found on the Hypergrid and make it no-transfer, simply to try and keep others from using their stuff to fill competing freebie sims. As if these aspiring competitors couldn't get the self-same content elsewhere.
Jupiter, I found out that you always write about the same tons of times. Not only in here even on other sides. I think now even the latestet member here knows that you always write about stolen stuff from sl, copybotted stuff from sl, we know your opinion now...But then I ask myself why you want to move to Wolfgrid or your shop? It is full of copybotted stuff to, even permissions had been changed by persons that are praised beyond belief here . I find that inconsistent. Why dont you open your on grid, then you can do what you like and dont get heart attacks of such stuff and dont have to write always your same statements
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You clearly show that you don't know what you're talking about.
First, it isn't one shop. It's two.
Next, the shops moved without me because the owner of the sim on which I have my shops moved the sim from OSgrid to the Wolf Territories with my shops intact.
Finally, have you seen my shops? Have you been there? What exactly in my shops, do you say, is copybotted from SL? What EXACTLY? Don't weasel yourself out by saying, "Everything," or something like this. Tell me specific items, and I may remove them.
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First, it isn't one shop. It's two.
Next, the shops moved without me because the owner of the sim on which I have my shops moved the sim from OSgrid to the Wolf Territories with my shops intact.
Finally, have you seen my shops? Have you been there? What exactly in my shops, do you say, is copybotted from SL? What EXACTLY? Don't weasel yourself out by saying, "Everything," or something like this. Tell me specific items, and I may remove them.