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It's been advised that every region owner protect themselves by having an OAR of their land. Wise advice, and something to be considered when renting a region, for example, on AviTron. Also advised: Have a copy of your account IAR. What does Alex have to say about this?

AviTron Terms and Conditions
https://avitron.net/terms-and-conditions

From TOS Amendment 8/27/2021
"AviTron does not give out Region OARS and account IARs. Reason being is to protect our free content".

And your free content?

From Section 2.3
"Except as otherwise described in any Additional Terms (such as a contest's official rules) which will govern the submission of your User Content, you hereby grant to AviTron Virtual World, and you agree to grant to AviTron Virtual World, the non-exclusive, unrestricted, unconditional, unlimited, worldwide, irrevocable, perpetual, and cost-free right and license to use, copy, record, distribute, reproduce, disclose, modify, display, publicly perform, transmit, publish, broadcast, translate, make derivative works of, and sell, re-sell or sublicense (through multiple levels)(with respect to each Product or otherwise on the Service as permitted by you through your interactions with the Service), and otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever, all or any portion of your User Content (and derivative works thereof), for any purpose whatsoever in all formats, on or through any media, software, formula, or medium now known or hereafter developed, and with any technology or devices now known or hereafter developed, and to advertise, market, and promote the same."

Comments

ChopperGausman 5 days ago
No, I DO NOT agree to these terms as stated. This is now made public, so now guess what, those terms are VOID! Alex, or AviTron does not hold any copyrights to my intellectual property unless I enter into an agreement in writing to where both parties sign such agreement, determining the sale or or time frame of permissions granted and how those permissions are applied. Now, if Alex or the AT staff does not like it, then they can choose to refuse service to me. If he chooses to continue service with me, then this is applied, thereby limiting his use of said items to such agreement as stated, and being signed and dated by both parties. I am already aware that Alex is re-writing the copy of the lame claims put forth by LL at SL that he previously used, and I shall review the new ToS and do the same if any claims are made to my intellectual proprty, as I grant no one such rights to my intellectual property without a signed contract by myself and the other party involved. To be fair, if someone asks me to use a logo or something made by me in order to advertise our location or events, that is totally different, because it is a given, vs a claim as stated in the ToS. Alex, I hope you see this, because this is what you are going to be up against in such situations, and I think you should take this into consideration in the re-write of the AT TOS concerning the intellectual property of others. As for the rest of you watching to see what happens, keep watching, because I am in AT working on a huge project to be announced when ready. I seriously doubt Alex is going to refuse me service because I don't agree to allow him or AT to use my intellectual property as stated in the current TOS... Problem solved!
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Nico Kailani 10 days ago
I want to amplify something said by an advocate for AviTron. "I have spoken with Alex and asked him about [references to Linden Labs in the AviTron TOS], and he told me that came from the AW TOS, which was copied directly from the SL or LL TOS."

So no, Alex didn't write the rules. Linden Labs did.

"Because of this issue concerning the TOS, and me asking him about it, he is now reviewing and correcting the entire thing from what I understand, making it specifically an AT TOS without all the crap LL introduced".

Stay tuned...
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Copper 11 days ago
5 lines..and 7 times "I"..the great shamaladingdong continues rofl. This ego is indescribable. Ok..seems Alexis deleted his I I I post ^
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Copper 12 days ago
Just to bring it to more attention what I responded to @opensimlife user about Alexi's TOS rofl: "Shhh... I hoped readers here would read Alexis TOS and would found that by themselves..Now you gave him a chance to alter that (SL copied) TOS. I do hope that post here will never be deleted "
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Nico Kailani 12 days ago
The post will remain. Any changes to the TOS referring to OARs, IARs, or Linden Labs will be documented. Or not. I might decide to watch a good movie instead. Say! Why don't you do it?
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Nico Kailani 12 days ago
I want to amplify something said by @SpaxOrion

"By the way... there is a way to make OAR and IAR which PRESERVES the permissions of all items therein, the fact that grid owners REFUSE to make them for their users in order to "Protect content creators" is utter nonsense. This is only used as a form of entrapment to KEEP people from leaving their grid and going someplace else. There is a special place in perdition for those who employ such tactics".
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Gin Leeder 12 days ago
about IARs I think it's not really nonsense not to grant them, because with GOD Mode (or power GOD) or ADMIN Rights in your region or grid, you can change the permissions of any content... IAR or OAR they may be. The argument is that content and its permissions must be respected, if you have an IAR full of things teased out for HG you won't find it hard to get those assets back, but if you have an IAR full of content created with exclusivity, thanks to an agreement between Content Creator and grid, I don't find your wanting to take it correct, same for OARs, if you are an ORIGINAL content creator, and you have no exclusivity agreements with a grid, then you will certainly have your work even on YOUR PC in BLENDER (or MAYA or other software) complete with textures you created, which you can easily reload into Other Grids. or am i wrong? so, let's say i also make an IAR keeping permissions, you take your IAR, you have a regioen where you can have god mode and remove those permissions. this means PROTECTING some content creators from, for example, SL. As for TOS, each grid adopts its own, the user reads the TOS and decides whether to enter or not, this should not be a problem, since you register an account (for example) in my grid, it is normal I will still have YOUR and your content assets in my database, if you create a place for the community of a grid and then you argue with the owner for whatever reason, your content anyway is now in that grid, if you want an OAR where you have YOUR content and only yours or easily findable, then I find it fair that you have it, but you have to remove the EXCLUSIVE content of that grid. Honestly I don't consider the distribution of IARs, for reasons I said above, and they are quite clear, and then because some inventories can even go up to 50/60/70 or even 100GB of DATA, and that's really a lot!!! I think so. and i repeat before registering everyone reads the TOS and decides whether or not to register in a grid consciously, without then standing around complaining about the managers, first you read, then you decide, in this aspect even i then for many of you can be a "bad" grid manager, but honestly i find it correct that each grid manages itself as it prefers, it is a gamble, every little condition makes the fortune or misfortune of a grid, makes it niche or for all users, of course "FULL OPEN" grids totally open to registrations, to content, with that fascinating anarchy to put it that way, will always get more users than a grid that has registrations closed and "exclusive" assets (by agreement with creators) locked, but it is a right of every grid and every manager to choose and decide how to manage it, it is a gamble, freedom is also that. I think this, I respect all the ideas read so far, but mine is a bit different, and consider that I am not going to create a grid with thousands of users, but for pure passion and to enjoy my hobby, in fact registrations are by invitation only, or by knowledge and especially open to those who want to work in Blender, there are no Beacons towards free store from me. I believe that all ideas should be respected, not necessarily shared, but respected, and this is my idea, my bet.
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ChopperGausman 5 days ago
The answer is simple, if you do not want your content copied and sent to other grids, don't give or sell it to anyone, so you and your staff are the only ones to have such items if they are shared. This also let's you as the creator know exactly who has it, so you know where to look if it pops up anywhere else. Then all that is left since they cannot use GMode in YOUR land, they are forced to attempt using an illegal copybot, to which in turn reveals the thief in the end by means of tracing the origin of such things. Alt accounts don't help with that, because they can all be traced.
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Nico Kailani 12 days ago
The above comment, edited for clarity.

About IARs I think it's not really nonsense not to grant them, because with GOD Mode (or power GOD) or ADMIN Rights in your region or grid, you can change the permissions of any content... IAR or OAR they may be. The argument is that content and its permissions must be respected, if you have an IAR full of things teased out for HG you won't find it hard to get those assets back, but if you have an IAR full of content created with exclusivity, thanks to an agreement between Content Creator and grid, I don't find your wanting to take it correct,

Same for OARs, if you are an ORIGINAL content creator, and you have no exclusivity agreements with a grid, then you will certainly have your work even on YOUR PC in BLENDER (or MAYA or other software) complete with textures you created, which you can easily reload into Other Grids. or am i wrong? so, let's say i also make an IAR keeping permissions, you take your IAR, you have a regioen where you can have god mode and remove those permissions. this means PROTECTING some content creators from, for example, SL.

As for TOS, each grid adopts its own, the user reads the TOS and decides whether to enter or not, this should not be a problem, since you register an account (for example) in my grid, it is normal I will still have YOUR and your content assets in my database, if you create a place for the community of a grid and then you argue with the owner for whatever reason, your content anyway is now in that grid, if you want an OAR where you have YOUR content and only yours or easily findable, then I find it fair that you have it, but you have to remove the EXCLUSIVE content of that grid.

Honestly I don't consider the distribution of IARs, for reasons I said above, and they are quite clear, and then because some inventories can even go up to 50/60/70 or even 100GB of DATA, and that's really a lot!!!

I think so. and i repeat before registering everyone reads the TOS and decides whether or not to register in a grid consciously, without then standing around complaining about the managers[.] First you read, then you decide, in this aspect even i then for many of you can be a "bad" grid manager, but honestly i find it correct that each grid manages itself as it prefers.

It is a gamble, every little condition makes the fortune or misfortune of a grid, makes it niche or for all users. Of course "FULL OPEN" grids totally open to registrations, to content, with that fascinating anarchy to put it that way, will always get more users than a grid that has registrations closed and "exclusive" assets (by agreement with creators) locked. But it is a right of every grid and every manager to choose and decide how to manage it. It is a gamble, freedom is also that.

I think this. I respect all the ideas read so far, but mine is a bit different. C1onsider that I am not going to create a grid with thousands of users, but for pure passion and to enjoy my hobby. In fact registrations are by invitation only, or by knowledge and especially open to those who want to work in Blender.

There are no Beacons towards free store from me. I believe that all ideas should be respected, not necessarily shared, but respected, and this is my idea, my bet.
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Gin Leeder 11 days ago
thanks for making order, now yes, it is clearer ;)
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Copper 10 days ago
yep. it was hard to read :-)
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CherylFurse 12 days ago
I'm now 2 1/2 months in OS and have already 4 Avis lol Is this normal? One account I lost, because of a jealous woman who lied and spread rumours about me, just because I invited her ex boyfriend to watch "secretary" in our cinema and we were 4 people watching it. Nothing happened. I was with my Daddy watching anyway and her ex boyfriend was just watching with interest. The surprise was that my Daddy is also her ex lol. This was too much for her. This is human social behavior. In her case it seems to be also a RL problem anyway. Then a newly becoming Master of the universe of the same grid thought that a BDSM sub must be sub for everyone. Even for him although he stated he is just a vanilla dickhead and open for new things. Ok women seem to have in OS as in real world same difficulties. Nothing to complain. This is human nature. Sometimes it is better in the geek and nerd world to pretend to be a man. (I do this also) Otherwise to pretend to be the dumb blond (part-time blond of course) is smarter in many situations. We have to live with it. Behind every Avi is a human who is the same as he/she is in real world.

Now to all the drama discussions about grids and politics, which is for me similar. Egos need to be fed often. In OS your ego can be fed easily if a Grid owner is in the Top 10 Traffic charts with 4 people. lol This is nothing. Not even to talk about. But it shows often how everyone is watching and begrudge (or is even jealous).

This as kind of introduction

I read now the blog site of Alex Ferraris. It took hours but I took the time today. What I could read out is to have a concept to go in competition to SL.

His first premise is for everything that people go in SL to make money. To sell their stuff in SL. He wants to make OS attractive for SL people by selling their stuff. OS has just a few people compared to SL. And his grid alone is much less than all OS grids together.

Should one buy things in OS? Everywhere you read that no one should buy things in OS. You get all for free.

From my own experience I know that this is not true. I could tell who is creating things in OS to sell it then in SL but doesn't give it for free in OS. Then you don't get it in OS. Or you have to be resident of this Grid where the creator lives and get it through personal contact. Most what you get In OS as freebe Stuff is easy to copy and not the great things you can have in SL. I know this well now since I try to find things for my fetish shop, where you should get only fetish things that are not just a leather skirt or such. Just to get things with animations and scripts that are normal in SL is not easy. And OS people are happy just to have a sex bed with some animations. lol There is no need for more and then no one is caring for it. Some are creative and build all by themselves to get similar things we get in SL. But then you have to be skilled. I'm too stupid to build all the nice things. But there are some who do it.

So the premises lay in the need of things, what kind of people are in OS and if it is profitable for creative building with skills.
If the "clients" are in SL and not in OS then it is understandable that such people won't spread their things in OS and just sell it in SL. On the other side, why are they in OS? Just to have a nice own place with high frame rate and not laggy and without costs? They just change textures or some scripts they got as freebies and this is creative and their own stuff? Mostly it is like this.

For RLV it is different and I really appreciate the work of RLV builders for any kind. It must be really skilled stuff. I don't know about the technical things, but after 2 months talking with geeks here, I know already that it won't be easy to get it running how I hoped first. And RLV is the main point to get BDSM people here in OS. Not easy to convince BDSM people to come to OS. Just to go for shopping the whole day and feel like her own Barbie Doll is not enough. After 2 weeks you bought all you can get in OS. And for the boys just to play with LEGO the whole day then you must be really bored in RL. Creative is this not really just to build one sim after another with nice flowers and new rocks you got from somewhere as new freebie. It is in truth wasting time and such people should perhaps better go in RL again and solve their real problems. My opinion when I got to know so many people here. They become more and more anti social and fear other people the more. But this is another problem on psychological side for virtual reality in general.

But virtual reality can be also great for development of social working together and become familiar with many things they wouldn't even imagine in RL by themselves. It can! To explore own feelings in situations in a save environment as it is for BDSM people one point and was first great in SL. Or to explore own social ability and practice here. Just to find the right words to get in contact with people. For some it is a real problem. To be open and not so shy. Here they can.

But mostly it is just old thinking what people want to do. To sell things or to be consumer. OS shows very well the consumer thinking. You get all for free (of course not all. Just what most think in conformity thinking what most want on surface without thinking about what nature people really have especially through their sexuality. Some blush now especially my prude friends from overseas lol but it is also human nature and the core like Freud and many after him found out)

Here we can be what and who we are or want to be. That's the thrill. Most women in OS are in truth old men over 60 years in RL. So what? Then it is like this.

So the point is now that everyone wants to make OS alive and think he knows well how to reach this goal.

Alex thinks that SL people are just seller and condiments who buy from sellers. He found a method where everyone could participate and contribute to this with even a passive income. Well I don't get this method already how this all should really work. But he said one thing that is really true and I saw it in RL also in different countries where I lived that just copying is not really successful and will finish my text here:

"One last thing. We all must start creating content. AviTron should not be depending on the freebies found on other grids anymore. I am not saying it is something to be done immediately but gradually is. We must get away from these freebies and start creating our own content. Thank you all!"
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VeritasMcMaster 10 days ago
Thank you. This speaks to many things I ponder as I learn about OS. Four months in I think the best use of my time & abilities is supporting established grids rather than starting my own. Attractive AVs and help getting them mounted is critical to retention. I would like the OS History 101 Why Things Are Free course. I've reaped the benefits but don't understand the underlying principles or how it can be sustainable. Many of us from SL do not mind spending money and we are used to what is state of the art. The talent is in OS and the opportunities here far surpass SL's. I hope everyone will be promoting Open Sim Fest 2022 as a way to introduce others to OSs. We are, to support Kitely and the places that have welcomed us there. Veri's Vagaries
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CherylFurse 10 days ago
Open Sim with hypergridding is really a great thing. But as long as everyone thinks he has the best software running and are all different, then RLV and AO and scripts won't work properly. Just on their own Grid and few others. How many people are there living? 50 people? In the whole world? That's nothing. What you see here on the website is just a part of OS grids and users. There are Asian, Spanish speaking and Russian Grids as well out there. Just not listed here. Mostly we talk here about American and German grids. We are not the centre of the Virtual world. Just a little part of it.

You can have so many different philosophies as you want. As long as not all Grid owner come together and agree to one specific software they build for all grids it is waste of time to talk about conceptions how OpenSim should be running. Sharing is Caring is in principle the best conception and for virtual world that wants to be libertarian, it is what everyone would expect especially because the RL is just capitalism based and also with censorship/totalitarism. So virtual world of OS could become then the opposite as alternative world. Especially to Zuckerbergs Metaverse which will become in future the real competition. I know already people who are in Zuckerbergs Metaverse with their VR headset and came from SL there. Some tried before OS as well, but if the HG problems especially for RLV are not solved then the people will run to Zuckerbergs Metaverse.
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BearHug 12 days ago
Cheryl Furse
Please go back nono run back to sl .. please
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Nico Kailani 12 days ago
I like his way of creating passive income for himself by taking ownership of everyone's creations.
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Spax Orion 13 days ago
The BEST way to use Opensim is to LEARN HOW to run a simulator yourself. Dedicated servers are more affordable these days. Contanbo is a good sponsor on this site. Learning HOW to run Opensim in standalone mode with hypergrid is very easy to accomplish (plenty of tutorials online) for those who posses sufficient computer skills.

When you run your own grid, YOU get to decide who can enter, you get to make the RULES, you can do anything you like and not be worried about YOUR CONTENT at the hands of oppressors or shady grid owners who can take copies of anything you create without your permission.

When I came to Opensim, I had a grid owner who refused to make backups prior to upgrading their server. Due to their incompetence, I lost a few months worth of hard work,at the time I was establishing my brand on Kitely Marketplace. This is when I decided to educate myself on how to run my own simulations, first I started on OSgrid and now I have my own dedicated Linux server. A web search for "Opensim standalone tutorial" will link you to Austin Tate's blog and he has an excellent walk-through on setting up your own standalone simulator from scratch.

By the way... there is a way to make OAR and IAR which PRESERVES the permissions of all items therein, the fact that grid owners REFUSE to make them for their users in order to "Protect content creators" is utter nonsense. This is only used as a form of entrapment to KEEP people from leaving their grid and going someplace else. There is a special place in perdition for those who employ such tactics.
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Mistressdalgato 13 days ago
Alex has been known to do stuff like this, however the statement above in section 2.3 would violate if say someone purchased something on kitely market place. just because something is on a region does not make it his. I am surprised osw continues to let the grid or I should say him on osw.

I understand why someone would want to block that grid but punishing others for what alex did seems like a 20/20, if there was only a way to punish just alex.
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Spax Orion 10 days ago
Agreed, when any content enters AlexTron, he is basically saying it becomes his property, by placing the item on his land you are transferring your rights to the content to him which could be illegal depending on geolocation. If there is such a high demand for CC devs to enter his grid, I cannot believe that they would be stupid enough to IGNORE the TOS regarding content because as an originator myself, that statement in section 2.3 would be a deal breaker.
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Nico Kailani 2 days ago
Ha! "AlexTron".
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Mistressdalgato 8 days ago
Agreed
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Karincluny 14 days ago
My God. The funny thing about this is that no one points out the facts. FACTS. I've been in the virtual world since 2007 and I've never heard of you guys. Just 3 months ago I found out about OPENSIM and do you know why? Because Alex is doing a lot of hard work for people to know this space and where I could go I went and I loved it, I thought it was so smart and I'm delighted and you just want to close the door on us from Avitron because you don't want to recognize that a man can lift ? He's been at Avitron for a year, 24 hours a day at Avitron's disposal, posting, doing groups promoting investing. My God, my God, please make room and join a world you've built beautifully. Please recognize that it is a tantrum that disregards the person's real life. Who doesn't know what's behind problems. I'm sorry the closed ones here are you.
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
You want FACTS?

Nico quoted enough FACTS and linked to them. Your precious sim is not your property. Got it?

Want more FACTS? (tl;dr: Alex' grids shut down with no warning 14 times in 11 years, residents always lost all their assets and all their money.)
https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2020/04/aviworlds-shuts-...
https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2020/10/pomposelli-shuts...
Now you have more FACTS. Stuff that happened more than 3 months ago. Your history lesson for today. Thank me later.

Then again, it doesn't even matter anymore if Alex shut down AviWorlds (13 times even) and Virtual-Ville without warning. If AviTron should go down, it wouldn't make a difference if he announced it or not. You won't be able to save anything either way.

If AviTron goes down, Wuudsville WILL be gone for good. Until then, it's Alex' property, not yours. And he can do with it whatever he wants to. The Terms and Conditions say so.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
Let's go easy on Karin. In chatting with her, she seems like a delightful person who just fell into bad company. She has much to learn about what OS has to offer, especially about the freedoms offered here that SL does not allow -- like having your own OAR. She wants to learn and hopefully people will be willing to help.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
I understand perfectly. What you don't understand is that I'm not doing Wuudsville for ego or to be a place of attachment. I'm telling you that I'm satisfied with the support I have in avitron when I have problems, that I'm having fun, and then if they accept me, that's after. Isn't that the purpose? I believe in good recoveries and I'm sure Avitron is the redemption of it all. At least he's on the right track now.
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Winwin 14 days ago
Yeah pretty funny huh
I have been in Opensim since 2013 and sl 6 years before that.
Can't say I remember you either Karincluny. However there are many thousands of VR people i did not know or remember.
Yes this is an alt account to protect the innocent from Avitron trolls.
I also remember Adachi one of the oldest most successful freebie regions in Opensim. Your place is similar in its footprint but must say it looks like a cool region.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
I turned off Win, my interest here is not picking up traffic. And yes, show the good world, I will continue to post.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
LATE EDIT: I have erased much of this comment. As Karen explains below, her comment was handicapped by a language issue. However, I will keep this part of my comment, directed at the real problem here.

I did indeed point out the facts. I quoted the AviTron TOS exactly as Alex wrote them.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
Maybe my translation is bad. But what I meant is that I didn't know OPENSIM, and not you. I didn't know there was another grid besides SL. And you don't need to remember me, I was never someone anywhere, nor am I anything here. I am a cook by profession and interior design in real life for pleasure. So here I just want to decorate and make beautiful things and I want to show you. But I never disregarded the importance of you and I thanked you for this created world, you will help many people who are interested in building and having fun and taking this to their lives. Thank you so much for all these grid options, I would love to be able to enter them all freely.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
It was those words of yours that made me see that you don't speak the truth. Wuudsville was hand-drawn in the interior of northeastern Brazil by someone who loves the metaverse. You must go there. It has no poso region, it is a city with roads, mountains, commerce, and much more. It has nothing to do with any island, but roads have all over the world. No more a pleasure to meet you, I would never say that you did something imitating someone, I would give you credit and everything you say here says much more about you than Alex. Because you keep mistreating me for your hatred of him. And I'm sorry I like his work so much, but it's real. I hope he's happy on the thousandth attempt he makes. I wish you all the success in the world too. What we wish for the other, the universe brings back. Ready I turned off the device of open sim and I will no longer appear in your traffic, but I will continue posting.
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Winwin 14 days ago
"I will no longer appear in your traffic"
This is all of the regions listed on Opensimworlds including yours - not any one group or individual.
The idea is to show where people can be found to meet, hang out. It is also for explorers who enjoy well built regions like yours.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
I will accept the comment of Winwin that "Your place is similar in its footprint but must say it looks like a cool region". Congrats.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
And no, I don't hate Alex. I just pity him, And I worry about those who don't know his history or the AviTron TOS. You think I lie about that. Read it yourself. And tell us how successful you are in getting a copy of your creation.
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Winwin 14 days ago
Nothing you said is any more than "ohhh please stop because i've been in opensim for 3 months and i think alex is a great guy"
You are not responding to any allegations posted here. Just kind of skim over those and no one will notice I guess.
Good for Alex working so hard. Bringing more from sl to his grid. Wonder why he is doing that. Read his own TOS maybe you may eek out an answer?

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Virtual Life 14 days ago
I can also confirm that there are only bots in the region. Been there a few times and got no response from the alleged users on the SIM. What's actually worse is that the OSW operator doesn't respond to abuse reports that affect this SIM.
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Winwin 14 days ago
seems Karincluny is or has fixed it - i see zero traffic there now
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Karincluny 14 days ago
I corrected yes, people stay in their positions, on the radio, the police station, or shops, or in their homes, now it will just be counting the bus station which is where people arrive and leave. I'm really here to add.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
She seems well intentioned, but is still learning about OS. She has now followed WinWin's suggestion to create a landing zone parcel with no bots and move the beacon. I think she is eager to hear anyone's helpful suggestions.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
Wuudsville is an RPG island where people earn XP, it hasn't opened yet, I I am testing THE HUD, yes people are happy there. They are the ones who will lead the groups that work rl and put the avs to test the HUD. Also, they need to stay 24 hours to level up. So it has nothing to do with Alex, just ask me and I'll talk. I didn't see this comment, I would reply normally. Or I can't develop my HUD too, which hurts you guys?
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Winwin 14 days ago
Great !!
You do know that not real traffic can be excluded from the Opensimworlds beacon?
What you are doing is being unfair to other listed regions on Opensimworlds who do have real traffic.
Maybe you can show some goodwill by excluding them?
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Karincluny 14 days ago
As a character ventures out into the world and overcomes challenges, he gains experience, represented by experience points. A character who reaches a certain number of experience points improves his abilities. Every 5 minutes a resident gains 100 xps. From 1000 xps they gain more strength. Example if a person has 1000 xp and punches you, you just feel a weight, if a person has 5000 xp and punches you you lose 100 XP and you feel pain, if a person with 10000 XP punches you, you falls to the ground and goes to the hospital with 3000 XP less. So for you to earn you need to have a job, earn being at home and living on the island like a normal person. Our time zone differs from yours, depending on the time, people are sleeping or working, at other times we have campaigns, where you can save people, be a broadcaster, journalist, digital influencer, banking teacher, pitara, gypsy, bandit, motorcycle mobster and you can live in the city where you earn money and pay for housing and food. I'm here to introduce this new world so you can interact with your avatar. And you guys waste time just attacking me.
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Winwin 14 days ago
Why is every criticism an attack? Gezzzzz
So too bad and sorry for regions listed on Opensimworlds who have real bonafide traffic? This reported traffic shows others in the Opensim metaverse where they can find others to make friends, have fun with yada yada.
As Josh pointed out 1 hour in your region full of non active players and not one respond.
Seems to me this is not what.Opensimworlds intended using a traffic counter for is it?
You could make a separate landing area and put your beacon there? A small subdivided parcel out of your wonderful rp area? This way it is not counting 24/7 non active players?
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Karincluny 14 days ago
Everyone has a 3 hour mission, campaigns. An investigation for the IFCP. They investigate. But it is a concern yes, I will not disrespect the rules of the site. I'm looking for help to inform me. I can put it at a point that has no traffic, the idea is just to add, never harm someone. But I want you there. In truth. Everything works out, I won't cause any problems.
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Karincluny 14 days ago
Winwin Today I'm adding 4 more islands, so I'm going to wait for this join and I'm going to do that. I'll just put it where people fall, as they enter the bus station and leave through the city. I want people to want to live an almost real life in Wuudsville. I talked to Nico and realized the issue of OAR. I understand. In my case, I keep building even after the island is ready, I change everything. Anyway, the point I'm making is that the past is to structure a future and that benefit I'd like you to give Alex. Not because I'm best friend, we don't share messages. Just because now it's hard at work, and people like me are now getting to know the operating system. I'm sorry you had bad experiences. But behind an idealizer there is a man who wants to grow and that's what I wish for everyone. Hold on to dreams, there are great men in history who have failed before. I hope to always have the door open on all grids. I would like for you and Avitron to come together, because there are a number of people who need your generosity. Anyway, thanks for learning tonight. I never wanted to do anything for traffic, but Wuudsville has 1 teacher, 1 radio presenter (24 hour broadcast), 1 journalist (website under construction), 2 supermarket cashiers (food production), 2 police officers (patrol and gun testing ), 2 firefighters (rescue test), the mayor, and 1 doctor (data regulation), 1 pirate, 1 gangster, 1 mobster, 1 biker, 1 bar owner (we love to drink) online 24 hours and me . To be clear, the OS system will only be at the bus station, with people moving, arriving on the island, people leaving immediately through the city. Today we write a book.
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Winwin 14 days ago
Same page :)
What you're creating is really cool. I can see it taking a huge effort and will be a lot of fun for many.
I hope people read your comment above and appreciate that you were able to see this not as an attack but as constructive.
I hear people in opensim bitch about going to a region and only finding bots, alts or npc's. That place usually earns a bad reputation. Opensim is a very very small fishbowl lol. Word of mouth travels fast.
i wish you success and hope Alex and Avitron lives up to the person and grid you expect it to be.
An opensim beacon reports all traffic in the parcel or region it is placed. To avoid fake traffic subdivide a small landing area and set the beacon there.
If all your players are active and available to the public (chat, meet, etc) then its not fake traffic. However if your rp is exclusive to only rp memebers then it kinda is fake right? Seems you would not want visitors who disrupt the game right?
You would want to recruit new members to play? Then a separate landing area would be good for recruiting and displaying the rules - keeping them out of the rp area?
People in a landing who can chat with each other etc is real traffic and the beacon would report that.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
To be fair to Alex, I would venture to say that there are other grids that do not provide users with OARs and IARs -- like Second Life. As a service to current and prospective region renters, please comment with the names of grids that do.
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JoshBoam 14 days ago
AviWorlds gives out OARS! And Its been doing better than ever since I bought it from Alex! Come drop on over! free land for local users!
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Misty_Falls 13 days ago
always the salesman ... rofl
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
Just a side thought Josh, How long have you had Aviworlds now? Is this the longest it's been "up and running in one go?" lol
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JoshBoam 14 days ago
Yes because Now I control the domain and the servers. The outages where all under Alex control and if you noticed we saved his ass many times paying his servers when he disappeared like a fart in the wind.
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
Yup, thought as much... just thought it worth mentioning that AviWorlds has been more "stable" since you took over.
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Dan 14 days ago
That TOS has "Linden Lab" mentioned like 200 times (i wonder where they got it?)
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ChopperGausman 12 days ago
I have spoken with Alex and asked him about that, and he told me that came from the AW TOS, which was copied directly from the SL or LL TOS. I told Alex the part about where LL is attempting to claim the right to take ownership of your intellectual property is like you renting a house from someone in RL and them telling you since you are renting from them, they now have total and complete rights to everything in your home. This is 100% FALSE!!!! They cannot do that without a written contract, bearing the signature of both parties...period! They cannot tell you just because you bring in something it is now theirs...period. That is just an indirect way of deception and theft in itself. Because of this issue concerning the TOS, and me asking him about it, he is now reviewing and correcting the entire thing from what I understand, making it specifically an AT TOS without all the crap LL introduced.
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Nico Kailani 11 days ago
Please bring this comment by @SpaxOrion to his attention:
"By the way... there is a way to make OAR and IAR which PRESERVES the permissions of all items therein, the fact that grid owners REFUSE to make them for their users in order to "Protect content creators" is utter nonsense. This is only used as a form of entrapment to KEEP people from leaving their grid and going someplace else. There is a special place in perdition for those who employ such tactics".
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Copper 12 days ago
This would mean that one can read and do re-read whats copied before making things public lol. But..who wonders before the whole history of the one
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Nico Kailani 13 days ago
I love hyperbolie, but no, Linden Lab is only mentioned 14 times. But how many times should it be mentioned? Zero. So ya, It's a fail. https://gyazo.com/c63d862f399895d9931d151eeef4eea1
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
Yes I noticed that. But where-ever it came from and how ineptly it was edited, the important point is that this is now the TOS of AviTron. Plus, if anyone misses Second Life and it's TOS, now they know where to go.
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
Find and Replace, is obviously "hard" :D
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Nico Kailani 13 days ago
I provided this link to one fanboy of Alex and suggested he help him learn one of the decades old basics of word processing.
https://zapier.com/blog/find-replace-guide/ We will see how it takes
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Nexus Storm 14 days ago
Looks like its time for all grids to block this grid
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JoshBoam 14 days ago
AviWorlds blocked them ages ago.. And I know VidaDupla has also...
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
To deny Alex access to your grid's contents that will become his?
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Bermuda Cowbell 14 days ago
Interesting. AviTron users should show their support for Alex by way of a massive shopping spree on Kitely Market...
https://www.kitely.com/market
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Spax Orion 12 days ago
I removed most of my content from Kitely Market BECAUSE people just strip permissions and redistribute. Many things I made got major upgrades but most people will never see them because IP THEFT is out of control. I thought about booby trapping my items when permissions change but that would definitely violate Kitely TOS. Ultimately I decided to close shop and I will still make things for ME and TRUSTED friends only.
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ChopperGausman 12 days ago
You wanna know how to STOP people from stealing your creations? Easy, put identifiers in every single part of the creation that cannot be removed, even if they are a builder themselves, forcing them to rebuild it all themselves if they want to make one like it! These "identifiers" are then with the item in question, no matter where they go, making it EASY to prove you are the original creator, and having logs of who bought what, you then know where to start looking for violations.
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Spax Orion 11 days ago
I thought of that and I even considered offering individualized copies where each item has one or two unique differences that only I would know about and would identify the original purchaser. While the customer may have every intent of complying with the permissions, once the item is placed on land, the grid owner can take a copy of it and strip permissions for redistribution. The cost of taking legal actions are prohibitive for most developers. This action pushes legitimate content creators away

OPENSIM IS FREE - SERVERS AND RESOURCES ARE NOT - GRID OPERATORS AND CONTENT CREATORS NEED YOUR SUPPORT
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ChopperGausman 11 days ago
Who said anything about cost? Are you not aware that when you file a DMCA claim that they must act on it, paid or not? Not only this, but as far as the DMCA representative goes, you can be that yourself once you know how to present the DMCA claim and have the proof ready. I have filed DMCA claims all on my own, without paying for it and won. HINT to anyone who thinks it cannot be done!
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Spax Orion 11 days ago
A smart person would retain a lawyer to file the claim on their behalf so as not to expose personal information which a grid owner could make public in retaliation of said DMCA claim. Unfortunately, that comes at a cost.

AviTwat's DMCA page makes it evident that you could be in for a diversion: "If the item in dispute came from another grid outside AviT**n we will direct you to talk to them." That immediately tells me that they intend to give content creators "the runaround". They could remove the item from the database, let the dust settle then reload the content from an IAR.

My loyal Kitely customers are a great source of information, they report to me places which are giving away my content. Eventually, I got tired of chasing down people and asking them to remove my designs from their shops. So I ban these little fly-by-night sims from entering my "walled garden".

When my upcoming DismayLand attraction opens I am sure there will be lots of demand for my creations. Nothing will be exportable. Copybots cannot steal scripts nor the contents of objects the viewer does not own. Anything they do copy will be useless rubbish.
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ChopperGausman 10 days ago
If I won without a lawyer, and most of them knew who I was anyway, what does that matter? What is that going to do? Nothing but show who the REAL owner of the intellectual property is. Oh, and if they THINK they are coming to my home to attempt retaliation, certain measures are already taken in all events and actions taken, to make sure that any individuals involved in such disputes are documented, so if anything happens to me, they know where to look first. See, when you cover all bases to make sure what you are doing is right and just, there is nothing to worry about. The DMCA I filed and won was back in 2014... they knew who I am, nothing has happened, because the know I am not as dumb as I look! LOL

Next up, your comment in the matters of the "runaround" you mentioned, that is the expected outcome in such situations, because LL cannot lay claim to intellectual property of others without a signed contract by both parties for permissions or sales of said item(s), period. All LL can do is claim that since their services were used to present the item to the public, is that their services MAY attempt to help protect such items or not... the "runaround".
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BearHug 14 days ago
This is the LAST STRAW BY GOLLY !!!!
I am taking all my stuff and leaving Avitroll Grid ASAP ... oh crapola " I can't take anything (other than my 15k items one by one) that I made, created or built because Alexsandro-Pomposelli the Supreme number one most awesome, fantastic, grid owner in all of Opensim owns it all.
By golly, Alexsandro-Pomposelli will soon take over all of Opensim and own it all. All haill Alexsandro-Pomposelli.

Let me check my stupid meter .. Oh man, I am so --- Oh never-mind it's just bad. Stupid me for trusting a 17 time loser Alexsandro-Pomposelli.

Fool me once. Fool me twice. Fool me three times. Fool me four times. Fool me five times. Fool me six times. Fool me seven times. Fool me eight times. Fool me nine times. Fool me ten times. Fool me eleven times. Fool me twelve times. Fool me thirteen times. Fool me fourteen times. Fool me fifteen times. Fool me sixteen times. Fool me seventeen times.
I am an idjet.
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Joe Builder 14 days ago
That's alot of fooling huh :)
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JoshBoam 14 days ago
Alex is real good at that!! Master Of All Fool.. Ing hahaha
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
That's probably the way he wants to "win". Not by having the biggest grid in terms of land area, registered avatars and active users, not by the top 10 most popular and most active sims on OSW being on his grid, but by assuming ownership over every last asset on the Hypergrid (once every single one of them has been copybotted by his residents and thereby entered his asset database) and misusing this ownership to take control over all other grids until he is the Supreme God-Emperor of the Hypergrid.
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Spax Orion 11 days ago
If he is trying to be the most INFAMOUS grid operator, I am pleased to report that he is SUCCEEDING! Congratulations, Alex!
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
The OS AV (Audio Visual) Club presents the AviTron TOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54lVO7elt0

(Link by way of Glenys Bieler)
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Winwin 14 days ago
Another way to say it is ...
No you can't have or leave Avitroll Grid with your hard work intact. Pfffffft
All your stuff belongs to me, to me, to me. to me, to me. mememememememe Alexsandro-Pomposelli. Pffffft
I and only I.am the Emperor, King, Lord of All. Everything I see is mine, mine, mine mine !!! Oh forgot you Avitron people get to pay me for it tooooooooo, Bwaaahahahahahahaha.
Is there a difference between North Korea and Avitroll Grid ?? Yes one, don't like it you can. leave .. empty handed of course. Pfffffft
Pffffffffft. Pfffffft, Pfffffft, Pfffffft, Pfffffft, Pfffffft
Did i say Pfffffft? I meant Pfffffft.
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ChopperGausman 14 days ago
You obviously don't understand copyrights, and anyone who attempts to take control of intellectual property they are not the rightful owner of, regardless to what any fine print might show. This is a deception first introduced by Linden Labs at Second Life, and mistakenly was reproduced or duplicated by others that think it is actually valid. There has to be either an actual sale of copyrighted material or a contractual agreement between parties, and no one can be forced to sign a contract against their will.
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Winwin 14 days ago
Copyrights are "rights".
Legal rights.
A person can of their own free will assign those rights and share those rights to anyone and everyone they want to.
How did you ever pass the BAR anyway. Gezzzzz
I agree with BearHug. To wrestle this in court would be time consuming, costly and may not resolve to your satisfaction anyway.
So you can be right and stupid at the same time eh
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BearHug 14 days ago
Wow ya think?
Nah, when a person agrees to conditions clearly stating the terms of service it is valid.
Don't think so then one has to spend money, take the time to hire an an attorney (maybe you), get to court (maybe years) to resolve an issue like this.
You have deep pockets?
Good luck with that.
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
Up to a point, yes. There are SOME rights that you can't sign away by contact (at least this is the case in UK law - there will be differences around the world I am sure). Providing you keep a copy of your content however, while you can't stop Alex doing what he likes with it (unless you want a lawsuit), he also cant stop you if you have a copy. In many cases if he tried to take a lawsuit against someone for reusing their content he had "taken ownership of" he would simply be exposing himself for not legally having the rights to it in the first place. If the content was copy-botted, then in effect he would be reselling stolen goods. Not the best foundation for a law case.

Bottom line, keep your own copies. Take your content to a region on a HG enabled standalone and drop it down so you can take your own backups of it.
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BearHug 14 days ago
Exactly
Why would anyone agree to TOS that could possibly take possession of their content only to have to possibly challenge it in court later.
Would seem smart to not to step in the crap in the first place.
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ChopperGausman 12 days ago
Please, tell me, if I say you, walk into this area and all your things become mine, you do, and I then state because you walked into this area "all your things are mine", does that make it true without you stating that you agree? Interesting, so you can say something, and if I do what you say, that gives you the right to take control of everything I own? Wrong, what gives you the right to something I own is if I choose to give it to you without reserve, or sell it to you. If I transfer the items with permissions for you to use them, guess what? I can END those permissions if you violate the agreement!
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Copper 14 days ago
Because no one reads TOS ever? Just believing smooth words when, like in this Alex example, people were motivated to join only his grid, because its so marvelous? Just an example..who reads the TOS of e.g. WhatsApp before using it? :-) Plus.. I dont believe a court would ever accept a trial with virtual things that has no (real) equivalent to rl. E.g. in SL, some years ago, CBS sent attorneys inworld, when people sold their stuff (Star Trek brands), and they got nothing from it. In here because of copyrights of rezzed pixel, I dont think its real to get that judged. Intellectual property maybe. But if such would have gone thru 100 hands.. its impossible to prove it once was yours. So ...even if many are so advice resistant, with so many facts from older here said about Avitroll grid, then no one can help
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ChopperGausman 10 days ago
Do you not understand what is intellectual property? How about Copyrights, Trademarks and so on? If CBS attempted a lawsuit against SL, LL, or one of it's patrons using copyrighted material without their consent, then BEFORE doing the lawsuit, they have better make sure they have proof of the evidence and they they are the actual owners of said intellectual property, trademark, and so on. They lost the case because they did not approach it correctly, #1 issue there, is CBS is NOT the owner of the Star Trek brands.

Star Trek
Created by Gene Roddenberry - THE REAL OWER
Original work Star Trek: The Original Series
Owner Paramount
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Copper 10 days ago
ehm.. I do not understand but you liked my comment? from what corner of the world are you lol
CBS IS the tm owner of trek rofl. fromaly known as paramount( I suggest you inform yourself better). but it was just an example to the main topic..not necessary to split that post here .
Ah ok.. an other newcoming account..this explains alot
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
Pfffffft? Your tire is leaking air dear.
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Winwin 14 days ago
I farted sorry. Reading Alexsandro-Pomposelli TOS of Avitroll grid gave me the worst case of voodoo poop ever.
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Misty_Falls 14 days ago
Interesting similarity, Zero Wing spoofed by western culture,"All you base are belong to us". used as a reference to Avitron vs the rest of Opensim...sorry Alex, gave me a giggle, I'm sure it's coincidence ... So does this mean the phrase works as a cheat code too?.... just asking
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
tl;dr: Whatever you create in AviTron, the AviTron staff can do with it as they please, including but not limited to selling it for real money.

Whatever you copybot elsewhere and take to AviTron, the AviTron staff can do with it as they please, including but not limited to selling it for real money.

Basically, it doesn't matter if you've got something in your inventory which is licensed in such a way that selling it for money is forbidden. Or if you've copybotted a few of Luna Lunaria's commercial buildings and taken them to AviTron. Or if you've copybotted Lbsa Plaza and taken it to AviTron. Alex allows himself to sell it all for money or give it away for free. And "exploit in any manner whatsoever" and "for any purpose whatsoever" can be stretched so far that he can declare himself or someone from his staff the original creator and sue Luna Lunaria for IP theft.
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ChopperGausman 12 days ago
Yous have stated; "Whatever you copybot elsewhere and take to AviTron..." Let's start with a lesson in the DIFFERENCES of a copybot and G-d Mode, shall we? First of all, it is my understanding that every single grid has this feature, and gives it to the land owners who actually pay for land. With this G-d Mode, they ten can take ANYTHING that is rezzed in their sim and change the permissions as desired. What this G-d Mode really is, in effect is the employees and owners rights in the Grid, granted a lower level of the same to the users who own land that is paid for, giving them this ability to do as if they were an actual owner or employee of that grid. - This is a BIG problem for creators, and yet we wonder why all the same stuff that was stolen from SL appears and every single grid of the OpenGrid Community, to where they did not have the G-d Mode capabilities... So how did they get stuff from SL to the Open Grids when all this started? Copybot!

Copybot is a viewer that is made to give the users those same powers, but with limitations they cannot control, such as when they copybot an item, it does not include the scripts, so now you know why all this free stuff is mostly JUNK, because they don't funtion correctly due to not actually having the scripts that they were originall distrubuted with in SL, where they were stolen from to begin with!

So, now we see two different aspects of how people are stealing things, and the G-d Mode capability is the biggest culprit, because it makes EVERYTHING full perms, even the scripts! Oh had the OpenGrid Community had seen this at the start, claiming let's make everything free, and forget about trying to do this to make money, causing the biggest problem the OpenGrid Community has, but ignoring it to this very day!

Oh crap, I just told everyone how they are doing it and who is to blame!
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
And Kitely Market purchases?
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
If they're put onto a sim, and someone from AviTron copybots them, they become Alex' property, too.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
And if they are purchased by an AviTron member, they become Alex's property also.
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
Of course.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
Contest time! Anticipated comment from whom? "Haters. Servers! Free. Me. #1. Gubish gubish. Me. Argle, bargle. Haters! Argle, bargle...".
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OpenSimUser 14 days ago
In other words, everything their users collects, uploads or creates becomes the sole property of Avitron itself, or otherwise, belongs to Alex.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
If you have created it, you retain certain intellectual copyrights, and would have the item on your hard drive. Not-with-standing, it looks like a creator gives permission for Alex to do a bunch of stuff with it.

But yes, your carefully curated collection of items gathered over many hours from all over the hyper-grid, you in-world modifications, builds and outfits using the same? When the grid is gone, they are gone -- to you. Alex owns them now, and forever.
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
Pretty much........ Whats mine is mine, and what's yours is mine too!
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OpenSimUser 14 days ago
Sad part is i am willing to bet his users just do not realize it either.
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
I think many of them fall into the camp of "Alex is just the underdog, he tries so hard and we want to support him..........". Many are however so blind, that they WILL just follow him onto the next venture - and just eat up the wasted time (and likely money) they have invested in his current one when it inevitably falls over again.

I did used to at least partially sing his praises for always picking himself up, brushing the dust of and starting over again.... however far too many people have invested heavily in making homes on his previous grids and lost all their work. Never giving up is a good thing... BUT... only if you don't keep taking others with you, and his past experience has been just that. I HOPE for the sake of his fans that this time his project "stays put" but that doesn't change his "everything is mine" approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54lVO7elt0
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
I'm not even so sure that he has that many faithful fanbois and fangurls who support him no matter what, even after his long history of grid crashes with total data losses (except for himself, of course), of "selling the grid" and forcibly taking it back afterwards several times etc. Maybe some are convinced that Hypergrid Business has falsified history.

I dare say that many are simply new to OpenSim, joined the second-biggest grid (and the one with the loudest advertising) and have never heard of him and of the history of AviWorlds under him. I hope for them that they won't learn the hard way by another sudden and unannounced grid shutdown with no chance to rescue their content.

Others are opportunistic content junkies who joined AviTron when and because it was the only grid with free Sacrarium access, and they did so to bot Sacrarium's boutique sims. Now they roam the Hypergrid and bot everything they can get. If any other grid had made that deal with Sacrarium, they would have joined that one and done the same.
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ChopperGausman 14 days ago
This "history of AviWorlds under him", I am curious, is this all one sided, or are both sides of the story presented in all honesty? From the looks of what I see here, there is an OBVIOUS mission against such, and you fail to realize, he is the owner, and he can do what he wants with it, and there's not really much you can do about it but complain, which, is a complete waste of time. The reason for this, is NO ONE knows what the TRUTH is until they take the time to do their homework to some reasonable extent, and taking into consideration the absolutely ludicrous accusations I see posted, it's nothing more than a troll fest to try and make both Alex and AT look bad, but guess what, that still doesn't make it go away, because you have zero control over who moves in next door when they buy the place. You might want to research these three words in the context of what they mean... Open Sim Community
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Jupiter Rowland 14 days ago
"History of AviWorlds under him":
https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2020/04/aviworlds-shuts-...
Scroll down all the way. There is the history. There's your homework. These are facts.

Also, take a look at the short history of Virtual-Ville, Alex' next grid which ended pretty much the same way AviWorlds ended 13 times over:
https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2020/10/pomposelli-shuts...

If you're a newbie, and you haven't heard or read of any of this before, that's okay, now you know.

I just hope you aren't one of those years-long Alex fanbois and claqueurs who think that this is all "fake news" and propaganda invented by Maria Korolov and Josh Boam in order to badmouth the Greatest Grid Admin Ever.
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BearHug 14 days ago
Alex and his residents have every opportunity to counter any comments here right? To set the record straight right? So yeah, both sides are represented here and no one is excluded from expressing their opinions or points of view as you are doing.
So far Alex and his faithful residents have only named called, belittled and generally been rude with their comments. They have not addressed any of the assertions here you call trolling.
You don't seem to like that it appears all one sided ... too bad. Get over it. More grids have blocked access to Avitron grid and I would venture to say it can claim the #1 grid for being banned by so many.

Waste of time? If I am thinking of making an account at Avitron grid these posts would probably give me pause to do a little "homework" of my own. People should investigate any grid they are entrusting their assets to.
This is certainly not complaining. It is a public way to let people know the history, the risk and the issues of Avitron and Alex with his history of start stop grids.
Alex can do whatever he wants and so he does.
We (the commenters here) can also do whatever we like and so we do. Like presenting truthful information to whomever is interested.
Open Sim Community is speaking in these posts and so far it seems the community is not too fond of Avitron or Alex for very good reasons.
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Nico Kailani 14 days ago
"NO ONE knows what the TRUTH is until they take the time to do their homework?" Like reading the AviTron TOS? https://avitron.net/terms-and-conditions

In the post, I presented the words of Alex, publicly published in his grid's TOS. If this is an OBVIOUS mission against Alex, then OBVIOUSLY, he should not have written the TOS as he did.
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JoshBoam 14 days ago
You will see the truth when history repeats its self ! Nothing you can do or say here can change the past nor the future of what will happen.. History Repeats itself and far too often with Alex..
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Glenys Bieler 14 days ago
It's an accepted fact that Alex has shutdown and restarted grids a large number of times. The number 17 as presented here is probably about right - I remember many of them personally myself. Sometimes with the grid only being online a very short period of time. Alex has admitted this himself (although claims to have learned by these mistakes). When his grids have gone down - people have lost content. This is not an opinion. Sometimes the shutdown has been so fast that the grid was there one day and gone the next with no warning.

Additionally, it is a matter of fact that his TOS claim IP rights over all content ever brought onto his grid. In as much as to facilitate that content - it needs to be presented to all visitors viewers this is pretty standard (you put content on the grid - you give me rights to show it to people who come looking - HAS to work this way). However, the rights he is claiming go far further than that.

Although writing them in TOS doesn't make them law - and he would not maintain any ownership rights on MOST content as MOST content has been copied "unofficially" from the originals without permission - where this is not the case, the TOS would mean that you have agreed that anything of YOURS you upload - he can now do whatever he likes with it, has no duty of care over your content, and can sell it and you have no rights over it anymore. A lot of this is "dubious" at best in law - and the fact that he would be claiming ownership on a lot of content that was botted means any case he fought in a court of law would likely fall flat on its face.

Despite what Alex may say, this isn't "trolling" Alex. His reputation has been earned by his past actions, and now claiming everything is his, is like a "last nail in the coffin to many people".

Having said that, everyone makes their own choices. I can't (and wouldn't) tell anyone who to support or not. Speaking personally though, while I have admired his tenacity and dogged determination to keep trying again, the morality of repeatedly taking others down with him, goes very much against him and I would never trust any of his grids.
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ChopperGausman 10 days ago
It's quite simple to everyone, Alex keeps trying, not letting failure be his accepted end, in other words, every time he gets knocked down, he gets back up and keeps going. That is the methods of a successful man, no matter what anyone says, because winners never quit, and quitters never win!
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