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I want to preface this with the following disclaimer:
I am not trying to shame anyone, nor am I trying to start a riot. I simply want to share this information with the community so that folks can make an informed decision as opposed to, "Well, I read I could do this, so I did it."
God Mode has helped many of us out, especially when it comes to adjusting, retexturing, or outright fixing a mistake. When an avatar leaves a grid or can't be reached to fix permissions on an item they've acquired from a reseller, God Mode makes the impossible, possible. After scripting a full fledged system and then "selling" my parcel with items without setting scripts to full perm, God Mode fixed it. When I accidentally deleted my original 3D model and didn't have the full perm version in my inventory, God Mode came to the rescue. In short: There are times when God Mode is useful and the use of it is justified. Though along the same vein, there are times when God Mode should not be your first choice.
The reason I bring all of this up is that it came to my attention today that an item I spent many hours over the course of many days scripting, adjusting and creating custom textures for, even watching a YouTube tutorial on how to make edits to the mesh in Blender for, and eventually sharing with no-mod script permissions and copy/mod object permissions, was made full perm through the use of God Mode. To add insult to injury, the script was then offered for sale on the Marketplace, where I had intended to sell a good portion of the script myself, sans the model and textures. To be clear, the mesh was not created by me, nor were the original textures, though the textures I included were my own modifications/creations. I take no issue at all with the fact that someone wanted a full perm copy of the mesh, nor do I particularly care about the textures. What I take issue with is the scripting that is now full perm, open source, able to be hacked apart and broken off for use in different ways, and (most infuriatingly) being sold from someone who apparently had no idea how to script to begin with.
As a scripter, and an active store owner in SL, one of the things I love about scripting is that I am secure in knowing that sending out something no-mod means exactly that. Objects, textures, sounds, animations - these could always be accessed or downloaded in some way, form, or fashion. Scripts, on the other hand, were the Fort Knox of creations that could be shared securely. In OpenSim, things function differently; this I find both refreshing and maddening all at once. I spend the majority of my time working on scripting projects and ignoring the builds on my SIMs, partly because I find it engaging and partly because it's something I can give back to the community.
I realize that it sounds very hypocritical to complain that my scripts were made full perm when I essentially did the same thing with the mesh model. I get it. I hear you. I agree with you. To that point: Unlike the case of the mesh model, which the original creator of is not willing to bring over to OpenSim (and yes, I did inquire), my scripts are being created here and shared with the community for free. I offer my scripting ability to the community because I realize that there's a lot of functionality that is readily accessible in SL that can't simply be Marketplaced for cheap, or in most cases for free, for OpenSim. I revel at the idea that something I've made is being shared and appreciated by those who have come across them and/or shared them. My only (simple) ask is that you respect the permissions of the scripts that I provide for use in OpenSim.
I tend to think of myself as a friendly, giving person and I strive to be helpful whenever I can. I'm readily accessible, both in and out of world, and am more than happy to provide you with full perms with nearly anything I create - you just have to take the time to reach out to me and allow me the time to provide you with it. In previous cases, I have never denied someone who has requested a full perm item, nor did it take me longer than 48 hours to respond to the request. Depending on the request, I may not be inclined to provide full perms for a script, but I am more than happy to adjust/change the functionality to suit your needs. This may be because I plan on selling all or part of the script on Marketplace, or because the script was made for a particular use/case, or because someone requested it and asked that I not share it, or simply because it's a script someone paid for and needed adjustments to but didn't know how.
With that said, from now on, I will be including a script/snippet in all of my scripting projects that I release. This will check the creator and permissions of any scripts that are included in the item; should it find that the permissions or creator have changed on the script(s), it will delete the scripts and you will be banned from accessing my regions. I really do hate doing this, but I feel it's necessary to ensure my kindness and time devoted aren't being taken advantage of. So, to reiterate: If you want something of mine full perm, please reach out to me here or in-world instead of using God Mode and alienating yourself from me, my SIMs, and my current/future shares.
TL/DR: God Mode can be your friend, or it can add you to my ban list.
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I appreciate those of you who came into the comments section with curiosity, concerns, encouragement, and constructive criticism. Quite a few of you have directly messaged me regarding this and I greatly appreciate the thoughts you've all had, ideas offered, as well as the thought provoking insights. At this time, I feel the conversation is getting off topic and becoming less productive and more of an entertainment source, so I feel it's best to leave this one for the archives and lock comments.
I am not trying to shame anyone, nor am I trying to start a riot. I simply want to share this information with the community so that folks can make an informed decision as opposed to, "Well, I read I could do this, so I did it."
God Mode has helped many of us out, especially when it comes to adjusting, retexturing, or outright fixing a mistake. When an avatar leaves a grid or can't be reached to fix permissions on an item they've acquired from a reseller, God Mode makes the impossible, possible. After scripting a full fledged system and then "selling" my parcel with items without setting scripts to full perm, God Mode fixed it. When I accidentally deleted my original 3D model and didn't have the full perm version in my inventory, God Mode came to the rescue. In short: There are times when God Mode is useful and the use of it is justified. Though along the same vein, there are times when God Mode should not be your first choice.
The reason I bring all of this up is that it came to my attention today that an item I spent many hours over the course of many days scripting, adjusting and creating custom textures for, even watching a YouTube tutorial on how to make edits to the mesh in Blender for, and eventually sharing with no-mod script permissions and copy/mod object permissions, was made full perm through the use of God Mode. To add insult to injury, the script was then offered for sale on the Marketplace, where I had intended to sell a good portion of the script myself, sans the model and textures. To be clear, the mesh was not created by me, nor were the original textures, though the textures I included were my own modifications/creations. I take no issue at all with the fact that someone wanted a full perm copy of the mesh, nor do I particularly care about the textures. What I take issue with is the scripting that is now full perm, open source, able to be hacked apart and broken off for use in different ways, and (most infuriatingly) being sold from someone who apparently had no idea how to script to begin with.
As a scripter, and an active store owner in SL, one of the things I love about scripting is that I am secure in knowing that sending out something no-mod means exactly that. Objects, textures, sounds, animations - these could always be accessed or downloaded in some way, form, or fashion. Scripts, on the other hand, were the Fort Knox of creations that could be shared securely. In OpenSim, things function differently; this I find both refreshing and maddening all at once. I spend the majority of my time working on scripting projects and ignoring the builds on my SIMs, partly because I find it engaging and partly because it's something I can give back to the community.
I realize that it sounds very hypocritical to complain that my scripts were made full perm when I essentially did the same thing with the mesh model. I get it. I hear you. I agree with you. To that point: Unlike the case of the mesh model, which the original creator of is not willing to bring over to OpenSim (and yes, I did inquire), my scripts are being created here and shared with the community for free. I offer my scripting ability to the community because I realize that there's a lot of functionality that is readily accessible in SL that can't simply be Marketplaced for cheap, or in most cases for free, for OpenSim. I revel at the idea that something I've made is being shared and appreciated by those who have come across them and/or shared them. My only (simple) ask is that you respect the permissions of the scripts that I provide for use in OpenSim.
I tend to think of myself as a friendly, giving person and I strive to be helpful whenever I can. I'm readily accessible, both in and out of world, and am more than happy to provide you with full perms with nearly anything I create - you just have to take the time to reach out to me and allow me the time to provide you with it. In previous cases, I have never denied someone who has requested a full perm item, nor did it take me longer than 48 hours to respond to the request. Depending on the request, I may not be inclined to provide full perms for a script, but I am more than happy to adjust/change the functionality to suit your needs. This may be because I plan on selling all or part of the script on Marketplace, or because the script was made for a particular use/case, or because someone requested it and asked that I not share it, or simply because it's a script someone paid for and needed adjustments to but didn't know how.
With that said, from now on, I will be including a script/snippet in all of my scripting projects that I release. This will check the creator and permissions of any scripts that are included in the item; should it find that the permissions or creator have changed on the script(s), it will delete the scripts and you will be banned from accessing my regions. I really do hate doing this, but I feel it's necessary to ensure my kindness and time devoted aren't being taken advantage of. So, to reiterate: If you want something of mine full perm, please reach out to me here or in-world instead of using God Mode and alienating yourself from me, my SIMs, and my current/future shares.
TL/DR: God Mode can be your friend, or it can add you to my ban list.
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I appreciate those of you who came into the comments section with curiosity, concerns, encouragement, and constructive criticism. Quite a few of you have directly messaged me regarding this and I greatly appreciate the thoughts you've all had, ideas offered, as well as the thought provoking insights. At this time, I feel the conversation is getting off topic and becoming less productive and more of an entertainment source, so I feel it's best to leave this one for the archives and lock comments.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, what would stop someone from rezzing the object, stopping all scripts, changing permissions, and copying the script text? Delete the detect-remove-ban routine, rinse, and repeat? Or did I miss something here?
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Nothing is stopping anyone from doing anything. There's no way to be able to fully prevent the script from being viewed in OpenSim. This merely prevents your average user from doing so, thus making the act of viewing the script more involved and cumbersome. Add in obfuscation and minification and you've successfully required someone to do something other than forcing permissives in a few clicks.
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This isn't even remotely cumbersome. It's literally three steps that most people learn to do within the first month in Opensim.
I get your frustration, but if God mode is so upsetting, hypergrid-connected regions are probably not the place to be. It seems that staying in SL or on an isolated grid would be much easier on the blood pressure.
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I get your frustration, but if God mode is so upsetting, hypergrid-connected regions are probably not the place to be. It seems that staying in SL or on an isolated grid would be much easier on the blood pressure.
I didn't know that... maybe that's not something to say too loudly...
Anyway, in computers it seems to be VERY hard to prevent hacking, you can always find someone who knows enough to break your defenses
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Anyway, in computers it seems to be VERY hard to prevent hacking, you can always find someone who knows enough to break your defenses
I'm a scripter and scripting is an art, much harder than building or drawing. So I rate scripting as #1 and we deserve to be treated like Gods! We as scripters have the right to use your textures, and builds, and clothes for free, however, you do not have the same right to use our scripts for free! So stop doing it. Scripting is way way way above petty stacking blocks in blender and petty drawing in pretty colors!!! We are scripters! We are fierce. We can use your stuff any way we like, but you cannot ever ever never do the same with our creations. I mean HOW DARE YOU!!! YOU WORTHLESS PETTY SCUMS! STEALING OUR SCRIPTS THAT ARE A WORK OF GENIUS! YOU NEED TO APPRECIATE US TO THE MAX, AND REALIZE YOUR STUFF IS ALL JUST JUNK. WE ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE STUFF WORK AND FUNCTION! WE ARE THE BEST! WE ARE #1. JUST KIDDING. I think this entire argument is ridiculous. That's why I give away all my scripts free to everyone. Even osgrid users after they banned me and p*ssed me off. Use my stuff, learn from it, have fun with it. We are all equal here, we all contribute. Share and share freely. No one will ever get rich off a few scripts in opensimulator. Handle your private business with the person selling your scripts on sL inside of sL not here. Here is a free place written and designed with the intent to be free. Live free or cry. SHARE WITHOUT MERCY ALL FULL PERM!
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I respectfully disagree on a few points, especially the need to mock me with a tone unbefitting of this post or my general demeanor, but narrowing in on the reason this post was made: I did share, I shared with no discontent or malice, with no cost associated, and then my share was taken over to the marketplace and sold.
Furthermore, I made no argument, nor did I ask for a movement to be started; I simply shared my experience in an effort to explain to those who want the items I script and share that I will be implementing features to prevent my kindness from being exploited for the benefit of another person's bank account. You may be comfortable with having your time marketed for someone else's profit, but I however am not.
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Furthermore, I made no argument, nor did I ask for a movement to be started; I simply shared my experience in an effort to explain to those who want the items I script and share that I will be implementing features to prevent my kindness from being exploited for the benefit of another person's bank account. You may be comfortable with having your time marketed for someone else's profit, but I however am not.
The only way to avoid reading all this shit, including the German shit, is to block the person who started the conversation.
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if it weren’t for copybots, most of us would walk around in ancient, clumsy bodies and wear clothes made from primitives. I understand that for many this is not important. But the trend now is to be modern, interactive and attractive looking. This is why the age sector is opensima from 35 and above. We have nothing to offer the younger generation. They are not impressed by clumsy bodies and houses made of low-quality textures. There is a big risk that openim will disappear. don't be greedy. learn to share. There are already enough various paid functions and media subscriptions in the world for which they demand money from us. We pay for music, we pay for 3D models, we pay for pictures, we pay for the Internet. This is not enough for you. If you like to pay, then pay our developers and creators. Let's at least maintain a free, unconditional Internet environment here. Accept the fact that if you came here to Opensim, it was to develop and realize your creative potential and not to make money.
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At no point did I intend to make money from the sharing of this item in OpenSim. I created multiple functions, routines, and a basic functionality that I was planning to sell on Marketplace to recoup the costs of the server I'm renting. Aim your rant where it's warranted.
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you have all the tools provided by this project to protect your work. use them. If you put it in the public domain, be prepared for the fact that it will become the property of everyone. If you didn't want this distribution, you wouldn't share. You are contradicting yourself. I hope this post brought you the hype you needed.
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By all means, please say whatever makes you feel better about being called out on your misreading of the situation. The redirect is astounding.
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The only appropriate use of God Mode in OpenSim is when you have explicit permission from the content creator. Throughout my many years in this community, I have strictly adhered to this principle, only employing God Mode when granted consent by the creator. This respect for the creator's rights ensures that their intellectual property and hard work are protected, fostering a fair and ethical environment for all users.
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I was at the max replies to @Ankhsenaton so my last reply is here: You are confusing Full Perm with God Mod, here is why ---> Full permissions on an item typically allow for copying, modifying, and transferring within the terms set by the creator. However, these permissions are granted under the assumption that users will respect the creator’s original intent and rights. Using God Mode to bypass or alter permissions that the creator did not explicitly authorize undermines their control over their intellectual property. Just because an item is Full Permissions doesn't mean it is okay to God Mod it. You must always consult with the original creator for that permission. If no creator to contact then no God Modding. There is plenty of free resources where people can find legal content:
Sketchfab: Sketchfab hosts a vast collection of 3D models uploaded by users. While some models are paid, many are available for free download under Creative Commons licenses.
Thingiverse: Thingiverse primarily focuses on 3D printing designs, but it also offers a section for downloadable 3D models. You can find a wide range of objects here.
Free3D: Free3D offers a diverse selection of free 3D models across various categories, including architecture, characters, vehicles, and more.
TurboSquid: TurboSquid is known for its extensive library of 3D models, including both free and paid options. You can filter search results to display only free models.
CGTrader: CGTrader features a mix of free and paid 3D models. While not all models are free, you can find a decent selection of quality free assets.
GrabCAD: GrabCAD is primarily focused on CAD models, but it also offers a selection of free 3D models suitable for various projects.
3D Warehouse (by SketchUp): 3D Warehouse is a platform provided by SketchUp where users can share and download 3D models for free. It’s a great resource for architectural and interior design models.
Archive 3D: Archive 3D offers a collection of free 3D models, mainly focused on architectural elements and interior design.
NASA 3D Resources: NASA provides a range of free 3D models and resources related to space, spacecraft, and celestial bodies for educational and creative purposes.
Blend Swap: Blend Swap is a community-driven platform where Blender users share and download 3D models for free. You can find a variety of models, textures, and materials here.
I have a suggestion learn to create your own items, bring in legal content it would benefit the entire community.
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Sketchfab: Sketchfab hosts a vast collection of 3D models uploaded by users. While some models are paid, many are available for free download under Creative Commons licenses.
Thingiverse: Thingiverse primarily focuses on 3D printing designs, but it also offers a section for downloadable 3D models. You can find a wide range of objects here.
Free3D: Free3D offers a diverse selection of free 3D models across various categories, including architecture, characters, vehicles, and more.
TurboSquid: TurboSquid is known for its extensive library of 3D models, including both free and paid options. You can filter search results to display only free models.
CGTrader: CGTrader features a mix of free and paid 3D models. While not all models are free, you can find a decent selection of quality free assets.
GrabCAD: GrabCAD is primarily focused on CAD models, but it also offers a selection of free 3D models suitable for various projects.
3D Warehouse (by SketchUp): 3D Warehouse is a platform provided by SketchUp where users can share and download 3D models for free. It’s a great resource for architectural and interior design models.
Archive 3D: Archive 3D offers a collection of free 3D models, mainly focused on architectural elements and interior design.
NASA 3D Resources: NASA provides a range of free 3D models and resources related to space, spacecraft, and celestial bodies for educational and creative purposes.
Blend Swap: Blend Swap is a community-driven platform where Blender users share and download 3D models for free. You can find a variety of models, textures, and materials here.
I have a suggestion learn to create your own items, bring in legal content it would benefit the entire community.
You are talking to a person named Ankh, who was banned from several grids after multiple warnings because she exported, forced, and "distributed" content from creators like Arkaham or R-Lion, for example. These creators explicitly ask NOT to redistribute their content but to use it only for personal purposes (regardless of whether it is original content or imported from SL, it’s about respecting people). So, you are unnecessarily talking to someone who first attacked those who copy, then invented absurd things about the grid that banned her, and whose behavior risked getting the entire community, including her friends, banned (these friends also don't want problems and requested the ban in their regions). While badmouthing the grid that hosted her FOR FREE in this place, she tries almost every day to enter with multiple accounts from different grids. For example, now she tried with this Ankh.Lionheart@homelandz.opensim.fun:8802, continuously changing MAC addresses (so she doesn’t seem so incapable of using copybot).
Additionally, she had and still has regions in OSGrid, a grid she owned but claimed belonged to her brother—lies upon lies. This is also demonstrated by the fact that she wants to appear as someone who respects creators, but in reality, she called the entire Opensimulator community thieves, yet her avatar is a copybotted avatar and not a Ruth, and she praises those who import content from SL (look at the latest post about the hair store).
There is a deep inconsistency because if I hate a grid or things copied from SL, I wouldn’t go to that grid every day or every week, and I wouldn’t use copybotted items... just think about this to understand who this person named Ankh really is. Essentially, this Ankh has violated the last sentence of this post which says, "The GOD Mode: if you use it well you are my friend, if you use it badly you will be banned..."
Having said this, I will not respond to any more useless provocations like this person often loves to do. I can only say that anyone who imports objects should be respected in their decisions. If a person imports objects and doesn't want them redistributed, it should not be done. If a person imports objects and offers them full perm, then fine, anything goes.
To our friend Creator who created this post, I say: Unfortunately, in OS, it is difficult to predict where your creations will end up, because there is a lot of anarchy everywhere, and it is difficult to enforce all the rules. One way would be to disable GOD mode, but without GOD mode, grids that are already lacking users would have even fewer... That's all.
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Additionally, she had and still has regions in OSGrid, a grid she owned but claimed belonged to her brother—lies upon lies. This is also demonstrated by the fact that she wants to appear as someone who respects creators, but in reality, she called the entire Opensimulator community thieves, yet her avatar is a copybotted avatar and not a Ruth, and she praises those who import content from SL (look at the latest post about the hair store).
There is a deep inconsistency because if I hate a grid or things copied from SL, I wouldn’t go to that grid every day or every week, and I wouldn’t use copybotted items... just think about this to understand who this person named Ankh really is. Essentially, this Ankh has violated the last sentence of this post which says, "The GOD Mode: if you use it well you are my friend, if you use it badly you will be banned..."
Having said this, I will not respond to any more useless provocations like this person often loves to do. I can only say that anyone who imports objects should be respected in their decisions. If a person imports objects and doesn't want them redistributed, it should not be done. If a person imports objects and offers them full perm, then fine, anything goes.
To our friend Creator who created this post, I say: Unfortunately, in OS, it is difficult to predict where your creations will end up, because there is a lot of anarchy everywhere, and it is difficult to enforce all the rules. One way would be to disable GOD mode, but without GOD mode, grids that are already lacking users would have even fewer... That's all.
And so it was that Openlife unleashed itself :D
Anyway, Marianna's content is among the most beautiful in OS, and it is carefully made, well-realized, and original, or at least it respects the licenses that come with it :)
Regarding your speech, Open, let it go; it's not even worth considering. Every time she tries or manages to get in, we will find a way to remove her again, but please don't respond anymore and ignore it; it's not of our interest.
Unfortunately, to stay in line with the original post, it is not uncommon to find objects in SL coming from OS, as well as scripts, and it is a sad thing because those who import from SL don't profit, while those who import in the opposite direction, from OS to SL, often profit from others' work, which is wrong.
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Anyway, Marianna's content is among the most beautiful in OS, and it is carefully made, well-realized, and original, or at least it respects the licenses that come with it :)
Regarding your speech, Open, let it go; it's not even worth considering. Every time she tries or manages to get in, we will find a way to remove her again, but please don't respond anymore and ignore it; it's not of our interest.
Unfortunately, to stay in line with the original post, it is not uncommon to find objects in SL coming from OS, as well as scripts, and it is a sad thing because those who import from SL don't profit, while those who import in the opposite direction, from OS to SL, often profit from others' work, which is wrong.
@Marianna Sorry for the barking of these two little gentlemen who say what they want when they see themselves disappearing...
Thanks for all your information, I will probably need it one day, I'm copying all that :-)
But I don't understand why you say that I confuse Full Perm with God Mod, I was only giving an example for which it is totally useless to use the god mod since we can find the full perm version of the same object somewhere on OS
Anyway, given the way OS works I share the opinion that I read above to say that flags are useless in OS as soon as we come across someone who wants to change them
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Thanks for all your information, I will probably need it one day, I'm copying all that :-)
But I don't understand why you say that I confuse Full Perm with God Mod, I was only giving an example for which it is totally useless to use the god mod since we can find the full perm version of the same object somewhere on OS
Anyway, given the way OS works I share the opinion that I read above to say that flags are useless in OS as soon as we come across someone who wants to change them
Yes, then we are saying the same thing if the item is already full perm there is no need to God Mod it, I know people say it is a tool as quoted from this very post " When an avatar leaves a grid or can't be reached to fix permissions on an item they've acquired from a reseller, God Mode makes the impossible, possible" I hear that from many people but still without permission I don't do that. That is a choice for me personally.
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Woof Woof Marianna :)
We bark so much that she has now made another avatar on OSGrid (Lilith Earst @ http://hg.osgrid.org:80/) with another island (Lilith's Paradise) and has tried to access again... she must really love us, I think.
Well, now as a good little pup, I'm going to take a walk and then I'll sleep.
Woof Woof. ♥
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We bark so much that she has now made another avatar on OSGrid (Lilith Earst @ http://hg.osgrid.org:80/) with another island (Lilith's Paradise) and has tried to access again... she must really love us, I think.
Well, now as a good little pup, I'm going to take a walk and then I'll sleep.
Woof Woof. ♥
ideally no doubt! But the creator is not always registered in the properties of the items and we often find for the same item with different flags depending on where we got it... even if we want to do well it's a bit of a mess for a lot of things and it seems like we can't be sure of anything in opensim...
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If you do not know the creator of the object doesn't make it legal to bot it, and surely should not be a justification.
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if the creator is not in it, how do you know if it comes from him or from the many grid it can cross to come here ?
I had some items with no creator mentioned and from shop 1 it is no mod, no trans... and the same in shop 2 is full perm... not even having to god mode it... but it shows how strange things are in OS
(especialy when you arrive in it ;)
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I had some items with no creator mentioned and from shop 1 it is no mod, no trans... and the same in shop 2 is full perm... not even having to god mode it... but it shows how strange things are in OS
(especialy when you arrive in it ;)
When you have items with many different creators with many different permissions, it is a clue that it has likely been botted by one of the creators, that doesn't mean you should continue the botting cycle. There needs to be more caring people who do the right thing, we all know what that is. 🌷💗🌷
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no I was talking of a unique item with no creator name at all in it found with many different permissions... so to know what would be the "right thing" to do ... seing that I would say you have to search to get the item with the permission you need and no use to doing god mode (I dont know what is botting, copybot? I never did)
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The only time you should God Mod is with the creators permission, if no creator to contact then you should not God Mod it. It is that simple.
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I am not justifying the god mode, actually I am giving an example that says that it is even enough to search in the HG to find the same article with the permissions sought, no need for god mode then :-)
And it is often possible I have the impression.
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And it is often possible I have the impression.
I think, your dispute. Should be with the person, you made it for, and took to Marketplace to sell. Opensims is about sharing, and having fun. If what you create, is something you don't want to be shared. Then keep to yourself. Or sell it in a Marketplace first. For those that say, they never stole anything to build on their lands, are full of sh*t. I know a few that have even gotten Oars free from a "friend" and sold them, not sharing the profit. Love the phrase "Sharing is CAring". The joy it brings, when you see what they created around you creation, can be exciting, to see.
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Many years ago, when I still didn't have my network and had to pay for land, I had a small shop.
On the right wall, all my items were offered for free.
On the left wall, the SAME items were offered for money.
In the middle I had a sign with an explanation and a request for assistance. I had money to spare and in just a few months I had prepaid for ten years ahead. I know at least three people here who could attest to that.
For the last 6-7 years I have my own server and offer everything for free, with full rights.
I hope more people copy, improve and distribute them!
And I'm happy when I see the original or modified copies in clubs and homes I visit!
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On the right wall, all my items were offered for free.
On the left wall, the SAME items were offered for money.
In the middle I had a sign with an explanation and a request for assistance. I had money to spare and in just a few months I had prepaid for ten years ahead. I know at least three people here who could attest to that.
For the last 6-7 years I have my own server and offer everything for free, with full rights.
I hope more people copy, improve and distribute them!
And I'm happy when I see the original or modified copies in clubs and homes I visit!
it is sad that we don't have any protection from these things, hence why money doesn't work in open sim. Its also the reason you see these "Never Buy in Open Sim" signs everywhere. You would never know if the money is going to the creator, or to somebody who stole it.
If you want to create original things in open sim you have to have think "do I want to give this away full perm" if the answer is no, then don't make it.
If you want to sell items, then go to SL and sell them. They might end up back here in the future, but at least you will have made some money from the item.
Original creators in open sim should accept that their creations are made to be shared freely and modified and redistributed or even sold. Purely because there is no way of preventing it. if you are happy with those terms then get creative.
If you don't want your script sold in SL you could try and incorporate OS functions into your scripts so they wont be a simple copy/paste job to work in sl without some modifications. No matter what you do, if somebody wants your stuff they will find a way. You can try locking down your items, but it will only keep honest people honest.
I don't really like idea of giving my creations away full perm for free either, but if you want to exist here, its something you have to get used to. You have to have the sharing is caring mindset if you want to make things here. You have to create for the love of it and not for profit. Sadly some will profit from you, and others will truly enjoy your creations. You make things for the greater good and expect nothing in return. If that mindset disgusts you, then create/sell in SL and at least you will make a little money from your stuff before it becomes free everywhere.
Essentially the permissions system might as well not exist here at all, as its so poorly enforced.
It seems you are a little guilty of bypassing the permissions yourself, so you cant really complain when someone else does it back to you. You need to have the mindset that you are giving away your stuff full perm to be used in any way. Its quite an uncomfortable thought really. So either get used to that thought, or don't make it in the first place. If your stuff is so good you have to sell it, then SL is your best bet to at least make something from it.
I wish it wasn't like this, but I have to accept it for what it is or leave and find something else to do.
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If you want to create original things in open sim you have to have think "do I want to give this away full perm" if the answer is no, then don't make it.
If you want to sell items, then go to SL and sell them. They might end up back here in the future, but at least you will have made some money from the item.
Original creators in open sim should accept that their creations are made to be shared freely and modified and redistributed or even sold. Purely because there is no way of preventing it. if you are happy with those terms then get creative.
If you don't want your script sold in SL you could try and incorporate OS functions into your scripts so they wont be a simple copy/paste job to work in sl without some modifications. No matter what you do, if somebody wants your stuff they will find a way. You can try locking down your items, but it will only keep honest people honest.
I don't really like idea of giving my creations away full perm for free either, but if you want to exist here, its something you have to get used to. You have to have the sharing is caring mindset if you want to make things here. You have to create for the love of it and not for profit. Sadly some will profit from you, and others will truly enjoy your creations. You make things for the greater good and expect nothing in return. If that mindset disgusts you, then create/sell in SL and at least you will make a little money from your stuff before it becomes free everywhere.
Essentially the permissions system might as well not exist here at all, as its so poorly enforced.
It seems you are a little guilty of bypassing the permissions yourself, so you cant really complain when someone else does it back to you. You need to have the mindset that you are giving away your stuff full perm to be used in any way. Its quite an uncomfortable thought really. So either get used to that thought, or don't make it in the first place. If your stuff is so good you have to sell it, then SL is your best bet to at least make something from it.
I wish it wasn't like this, but I have to accept it for what it is or leave and find something else to do.
That's really complaining at a high level. On one side this post here , on the other side his reviews praise the Sims with houses that were all pirated/copybotted
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Anything you put in SL, marketplace or not, shares IP with them. 100%. They can literally take your stuff, resell it, mod it, etc. Read the TOS. That change is what cost them all their big corporate business. *shrug* Just sayin...
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Opensims was built on CopyBotters (God Mode) For this reason all the malls are busting at the seams with stolen content. This will never ever change as long as there is demand there will be theft. Trying to fix this would be like kicking a dead horse to ride another mile.
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There's actually plenty of legal stuff. But you'll rarely find it at freebie stores, not at the big traditional freebie stores that try to hoard as much Hypergrid content as possible and not at the "new hot stuff" freebie stores either.
Usually, there are three reasons for this.
One, it's obscure. It's often hard to find, and so, nobody even knows that it exists. In fact, a lot of it only exists in the inventories of a few avatars anymore.
Two, it can't hold a candle to premium luxury payware released in SL in 2024 and promptly ripped and offered in OpenSim for free. Deck your avatar out in a Ruth2 v4 with Damien Fate clothes etc., and people will take you for a clueless newbie who needs to be told where to get "the good stuff" and how to use it. The only shop owners willing to hang up such content are either those who prefer quantity over quality and never curate any of the items in their shops or the blue-eyed idealists who want to run freebie stores with only legal content.
And three, it often isn't full-perm itself, and hardly any freebie store owner can be bothered to God-Mode such old content. Or worse yet, you can't get the sales boxes, only their contents, so you'd have to rebox everything. Or both.
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Usually, there are three reasons for this.
One, it's obscure. It's often hard to find, and so, nobody even knows that it exists. In fact, a lot of it only exists in the inventories of a few avatars anymore.
Two, it can't hold a candle to premium luxury payware released in SL in 2024 and promptly ripped and offered in OpenSim for free. Deck your avatar out in a Ruth2 v4 with Damien Fate clothes etc., and people will take you for a clueless newbie who needs to be told where to get "the good stuff" and how to use it. The only shop owners willing to hang up such content are either those who prefer quantity over quality and never curate any of the items in their shops or the blue-eyed idealists who want to run freebie stores with only legal content.
And three, it often isn't full-perm itself, and hardly any freebie store owner can be bothered to God-Mode such old content. Or worse yet, you can't get the sales boxes, only their contents, so you'd have to rebox everything. Or both.
Not sure there is lot of demand for Linda Kelly Items or pre 2010 look alike builds. Just sayin its the new stuff and scripts in demand.
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Not much has been made since the copybotting craze really kicked off around 2015. Many creators threw in the towel, and they did before they even tried to make their own meshes. You have to give credit to Linda for being among the few who actually made original, legal, even partly open-source mesh content (Clutterfly) when most others threw in the towel because they couldn't compete with the masses of copybotted SL content.
There may not be as much demand for it as for Lara/LaraX/Legacy/eBody Reborn stuff that's a few months old tops. But there is demand, namely from those very few who want to deck out their avatars in legal content, and who got far enough to not decide that's impossible, give up and get themselves a ripped LaraX.
(Curiously, Clutterfly jewellery is currently spreading across brand-new freebie stores like wild fire. Goes to show that many shop owners have no idea what they're slapping against their shop walls.)
There may be even less demand for layer clothes, regardless of how practical they can be and how they can solve problems that arose when everything went mesh. But again, there is demand. And not only from those who refuse to modernise their avatars beyond 2011.
As for buildings, unfortunately, the choice isn't that big. Free and legal buildings that look really good pretty much only come from Aaack Aardvark. What he builds blows everything from SL out of the water. But it isn't much, and it's mostly only available in his two shops.
Otherwise, if it's legal, and it looks good, it's payware. If it's free and legal, it's often very old prim buildings from times when computers were weaker, and creators weren't quite as talented. Like, fairly low number of prims, doors as thick as the walls and no texture alignment whatsoever. And if it's free, and it's good-looking mesh, it's illegal and ripped from SL.
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There may not be as much demand for it as for Lara/LaraX/Legacy/eBody Reborn stuff that's a few months old tops. But there is demand, namely from those very few who want to deck out their avatars in legal content, and who got far enough to not decide that's impossible, give up and get themselves a ripped LaraX.
(Curiously, Clutterfly jewellery is currently spreading across brand-new freebie stores like wild fire. Goes to show that many shop owners have no idea what they're slapping against their shop walls.)
There may be even less demand for layer clothes, regardless of how practical they can be and how they can solve problems that arose when everything went mesh. But again, there is demand. And not only from those who refuse to modernise their avatars beyond 2011.
As for buildings, unfortunately, the choice isn't that big. Free and legal buildings that look really good pretty much only come from Aaack Aardvark. What he builds blows everything from SL out of the water. But it isn't much, and it's mostly only available in his two shops.
Otherwise, if it's legal, and it looks good, it's payware. If it's free and legal, it's often very old prim buildings from times when computers were weaker, and creators weren't quite as talented. Like, fairly low number of prims, doors as thick as the walls and no texture alignment whatsoever. And if it's free, and it's good-looking mesh, it's illegal and ripped from SL.
First thing to do is to file a DMCA on the Marketplace. They will remove it.
I know this is very upsetting to see your scripts for sale. On SL, you have to buy the thing to prove it is yours, and if its no mod, that is very difficult to do. Also the copier wants mucho USD hoping you will file a DMCA, and then keep the cash. It's just a load of scammers there.
The "auto remove of the scripts" is a partial solution, but it is a start. The only real solution to script theft is a closed grid, where people cannot create an avatar UUID, or get God mode, and close it to the Hypergrid. That's SL. Here you can impersonate people, steal their stuff and sell, it and it would be nearly impossible to prove who dunnit.
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I know this is very upsetting to see your scripts for sale. On SL, you have to buy the thing to prove it is yours, and if its no mod, that is very difficult to do. Also the copier wants mucho USD hoping you will file a DMCA, and then keep the cash. It's just a load of scammers there.
The "auto remove of the scripts" is a partial solution, but it is a start. The only real solution to script theft is a closed grid, where people cannot create an avatar UUID, or get God mode, and close it to the Hypergrid. That's SL. Here you can impersonate people, steal their stuff and sell, it and it would be nearly impossible to prove who dunnit.
None of this will change until people take IP rights and protection seriously. Even your message focused on all the little "grey areas" where subverting content protection was "justified". OpenSim is horrible with all this stuff. There is literally no thought given to security on any of the content and unfortunately no real consequences for subverting restrictions that do exist. So, you find yourself in the position you're in now. Maybe someday there will be consequences but in the meantime, it comes down to ethics and doing what's right. Subverting content protection and illegally sharing someone's IP is content theft. As simple as that. When doing the right thing matters more than getting the latest new thing for free maybe we will see some change. Or maybe it will take someone getting serious fines for hosting all this illegal stuff knowing its all stolen.
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Sometimes you're forced to use God Mode on 100% legal, squeaky-clean content, especially if you refuse to use anything ripped.
For example, mesh clothes. They may be based on Clutterfly meshes, they may be based on Damien Fate meshes, or there may be the super-rare case of fully original mesh clothes rigged for one of the few legal mesh bodies made in and for OpenSim. It isn't like that stuff is all over the freebie stores. Not even the old Deva Moda clothes are, and they're full-perm, but they're too old in a world in which only the newest hotness sells, they're too unsexy in a world in which bare skin equals sexy, and they aren't "rigged for Athena". In many other cases, they're no-transfer, and they can only be found in exactly one shop, if at all. So finding any of them in the first place requires a lot of time, detective work and sheer luck whereas you can get boatloads of Athena stuff just around the corner.
Scenario #1: You've found these amazing clothes that can really be useful for you. You haven't found anything in this style yet, or maybe in this style, but not in this quality. Think "Damien Fate-based jeans, but with actually good textures". But the creator has set them to Alpha Blending, and they look less than optimal in your viewer. Or worse yet, the creator has set them to full bright. On top of that, they're no-modify.
What do you do? Ask the creator to fix them? The creator hasn't been online in many years. It's a wonder that their shop is still there. Throw them away and look for something better? You probably won't find any replacement for them. Throw them away and carry on as if they had never existed? No, these clothes are too useful to throw them away, especially with no replacement.
So what you do is fire up your God Mode, get yourself temporary full perms for these items and fix their settings.
Scenario #2: You have to move grids for some reason. And be it because the grid you're on will shut down. Of course you want to take your stuff with you.
Some of that stuff is clothing, both layer and mesh. It's fairly old, but it's useful, it works decently on your Ruth2 v4 or Roth2 v2 (the mesh clothes may require custom alpha masks), and above all, it's legal. Trouble: It's no-transfer. And some of it can no longer be acquired in-store because the last or only store that offered it has disappeared long ago. You've got some of the last copies in your inventory.
What do you do? Leave that stuff behind when you move? You can't replace it because if you could, you might already have done it. And if you discard it, chances are that'll make entire outfit styles impossible. It took years already until you finally came across these clothes in some obscure shop on a sim not even listed on OSW. And that sim is gone.
Or finally do what people keep preaching you to do? Get yourself a stolen SL body with a stolen SL head, stolen SL hair, a stolen SL skin and stolen SL clothes because they look oh so much better, and that's what everyone does? Out of question. You've had a legal avatar before, you want to keep having a legal avatar.
So what you actually do is fire up your God Mode, change the content in question from no-transfer to transfer and save it from destruction by transferring it to your new avatar.
Sometimes you're forced to use God Mode so that you can keep using legal stuff that was not stolen from SL.
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For example, mesh clothes. They may be based on Clutterfly meshes, they may be based on Damien Fate meshes, or there may be the super-rare case of fully original mesh clothes rigged for one of the few legal mesh bodies made in and for OpenSim. It isn't like that stuff is all over the freebie stores. Not even the old Deva Moda clothes are, and they're full-perm, but they're too old in a world in which only the newest hotness sells, they're too unsexy in a world in which bare skin equals sexy, and they aren't "rigged for Athena". In many other cases, they're no-transfer, and they can only be found in exactly one shop, if at all. So finding any of them in the first place requires a lot of time, detective work and sheer luck whereas you can get boatloads of Athena stuff just around the corner.
Scenario #1: You've found these amazing clothes that can really be useful for you. You haven't found anything in this style yet, or maybe in this style, but not in this quality. Think "Damien Fate-based jeans, but with actually good textures". But the creator has set them to Alpha Blending, and they look less than optimal in your viewer. Or worse yet, the creator has set them to full bright. On top of that, they're no-modify.
What do you do? Ask the creator to fix them? The creator hasn't been online in many years. It's a wonder that their shop is still there. Throw them away and look for something better? You probably won't find any replacement for them. Throw them away and carry on as if they had never existed? No, these clothes are too useful to throw them away, especially with no replacement.
So what you do is fire up your God Mode, get yourself temporary full perms for these items and fix their settings.
Scenario #2: You have to move grids for some reason. And be it because the grid you're on will shut down. Of course you want to take your stuff with you.
Some of that stuff is clothing, both layer and mesh. It's fairly old, but it's useful, it works decently on your Ruth2 v4 or Roth2 v2 (the mesh clothes may require custom alpha masks), and above all, it's legal. Trouble: It's no-transfer. And some of it can no longer be acquired in-store because the last or only store that offered it has disappeared long ago. You've got some of the last copies in your inventory.
What do you do? Leave that stuff behind when you move? You can't replace it because if you could, you might already have done it. And if you discard it, chances are that'll make entire outfit styles impossible. It took years already until you finally came across these clothes in some obscure shop on a sim not even listed on OSW. And that sim is gone.
Or finally do what people keep preaching you to do? Get yourself a stolen SL body with a stolen SL head, stolen SL hair, a stolen SL skin and stolen SL clothes because they look oh so much better, and that's what everyone does? Out of question. You've had a legal avatar before, you want to keep having a legal avatar.
So what you actually do is fire up your God Mode, change the content in question from no-transfer to transfer and save it from destruction by transferring it to your new avatar.
Sometimes you're forced to use God Mode so that you can keep using legal stuff that was not stolen from SL.
This starts from the top down. When Opensim coders fix the bugs that prevent the creators name not transferring over the hypergrid, then residents will have some idea of who created an object and won't be faced with the Creator fields being either always "loading" or Creator is "Nobody". Personally I would be very happy if that field stated who is the creator so I know who to go see if I really liked their product and would want more.
Unfortunately Core does not fix this ongoing bug and we wind up with inventories full of content that doesn't list the creator unless it was made locally. When Opensim programmers start to honour the original creator/uploader, then the residents can too.
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Unfortunately Core does not fix this ongoing bug and we wind up with inventories full of content that doesn't list the creator unless it was made locally. When Opensim programmers start to honour the original creator/uploader, then the residents can too.
I would only like to see my name if I could earn money from it... otherwise, for me as a content creator, it would be "I don't care what it says".
I protect things that I make for myself with the protection tools that the OPenSimulator offers. If you want more ... Second Life is always looking for users ... or switch to standalone without Hypergrid
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I protect things that I make for myself with the protection tools that the OPenSimulator offers. If you want more ... Second Life is always looking for users ... or switch to standalone without Hypergrid
When the creator name is blanked out or not available it leaves the question open as to whether it is licensed opensource or not. Maybe the rip of Rhowin's script was intentional or as is also possible, whoever did market it in SL, did not realize it was not intended for commercial resale. There is an increasing amount of original content, retextured or modified in Opensim which did not come from SL originally, but some in Opensim like to maintain that all content here it ripped, which it is not.
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Some of my old creations show my name and the grid I was on when I made them, even though those grids no longer exist. I used to go by MelodyStar Madison and that will show most of the time on the old stuff. Occasionally, my items show the creator as "loading," I have actively built on only two grids in recent years with the name I currently use. Sometimes my prior grid name appears, and sometimes it doesn't.
About six days ago, I left the grid I had been on for almost two years and started my grid. I had the IAR transferred to an alt to act as a closet to keep my main avatar’s inventory cleaner.
Interestingly, some items in the inventory of MelodyStar, the closet, now show her name as the creator even though she is a brand new avatar and her last name, Ravenhurst has never been associated with the first name until now. Other items show Star Ravenhurst as both the creator AND owner, even though this current avatar didn’t make any of it and it hasn’t been in her inventory. This inconsistency has been helpful for setting up my store on the new grid in some ways by putting my current avatar showing as the creator even though the avatar didn't make it. GM is imperative in this case when you want to transfer your stuff (that you made) to a new avatar and grid. What is interesting is the stuff I have from others in the inventory is showing the original creator so thankfully whatever glitch is happening didn't put my name on their stuff too, only mine. Unfortunately, some of the items on my lands changed the creator to me when the OARS were loaded, but most of it retained the original creator’s name, thankfully. So if anyone sees something like that on my grid, please don't get your panties in a bunch, I didn't steal it or make that happen on purpose. That sucks when it is art which has happened as well. I wish someone would fix this.
If people want original creations, I will have my shop open soon. A friend is also opening a shop of original creations in his region on my grid. Not everything is stolen in OS.
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About six days ago, I left the grid I had been on for almost two years and started my grid. I had the IAR transferred to an alt to act as a closet to keep my main avatar’s inventory cleaner.
Interestingly, some items in the inventory of MelodyStar, the closet, now show her name as the creator even though she is a brand new avatar and her last name, Ravenhurst has never been associated with the first name until now. Other items show Star Ravenhurst as both the creator AND owner, even though this current avatar didn’t make any of it and it hasn’t been in her inventory. This inconsistency has been helpful for setting up my store on the new grid in some ways by putting my current avatar showing as the creator even though the avatar didn't make it. GM is imperative in this case when you want to transfer your stuff (that you made) to a new avatar and grid. What is interesting is the stuff I have from others in the inventory is showing the original creator so thankfully whatever glitch is happening didn't put my name on their stuff too, only mine. Unfortunately, some of the items on my lands changed the creator to me when the OARS were loaded, but most of it retained the original creator’s name, thankfully. So if anyone sees something like that on my grid, please don't get your panties in a bunch, I didn't steal it or make that happen on purpose. That sucks when it is art which has happened as well. I wish someone would fix this.
If people want original creations, I will have my shop open soon. A friend is also opening a shop of original creations in his region on my grid. Not everything is stolen in OS.
Who cares ????????????????? Do you think the law protects any manufacturer because of something that exists in OpenSim? Stop dreaming. The costs for a court case or lawyers and experts would go beyond the budget. The world has other problems than the mesh in OpenSim... So have fun with the bla bla bla bla in this conversation.
Furthermore, when making a DCMA complaint, the real name, email address and other information must be given. Even if the client withholds the name, the opposing party's name can be found out by examining the files. And finally, you have to prove that it is your property and 100%. You can't do a DCMA because you want to avenge your neighbor... well, it's 100% your property. Anyone who blocks content on the basis of hearsay quickly falls into the trap of becoming a perpetrator.
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Furthermore, when making a DCMA complaint, the real name, email address and other information must be given. Even if the client withholds the name, the opposing party's name can be found out by examining the files. And finally, you have to prove that it is your property and 100%. You can't do a DCMA because you want to avenge your neighbor... well, it's 100% your property. Anyone who blocks content on the basis of hearsay quickly falls into the trap of becoming a perpetrator.
What interests me this Mike (or these others). The sun will rise tomorrow without him (her) or with them .. You are a good conversationalist not these others
ohhh and thinking is nothing bad btw. Oh yes, I have been watching the European Championship and a few good American football games for the last few hours... yes, I think I don't care about Mike
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ohhh and thinking is nothing bad btw. Oh yes, I have been watching the European Championship and a few good American football games for the last few hours... yes, I think I don't care about Mike
Assuming that you find a way to make these bypasses really monitored, who will decide on the relevance of these protections and possible consequences? For example, someone who makes a big store in OS with articles all coming from SL without authorization from the creators and decides to appropriate them will he be able to decide to annihilate someone who has had the audacity to bypass the protection of his own theft?
BTW, I would like to know the number of creators who have given such authorizations elsewhere... if there are any!
This is where I see the limit of a certain hypocrisy that seems to exist on a large scale in OS ...
And for real creators in OS like Rhowin, how to validate the real originality of an article or code? describe the whole creation procedure with a deposit at the INPI? (French intellectual property organization of which all countries surely have an equivalent)
It is unfortunately very difficult to get to this point.
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BTW, I would like to know the number of creators who have given such authorizations elsewhere... if there are any!
This is where I see the limit of a certain hypocrisy that seems to exist on a large scale in OS ...
And for real creators in OS like Rhowin, how to validate the real originality of an article or code? describe the whole creation procedure with a deposit at the INPI? (French intellectual property organization of which all countries surely have an equivalent)
It is unfortunately very difficult to get to this point.
There are lots of creators who sell mesh and templates that make them available to OpenSim creators for legitimate use. Of course thats not the always the "new stuff" that is fed into OpenSim ad-nauseum from SL. IMO this all comes down to following the law. Doing the right thing. Instead of making excuses for all the little grey areas where it must be ok to steal this since I'm only using it for personal use. yada yada.
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There are "many" type of God mode users. About 3 months ago I knew nothing about God mode and copybots, I arrived from SL in OpenSim on a grid where we were given God mode right away and the links for DarkStrom! Without explaining anything to us! We immediately saw this as confirmation that OS was a world of hypocritical copycats. I won't tell you all the details here but it ended badly. All I want to say is that things that go without saying are better said: explanatory notes for newbies or hard of hearing would be welcome in many cases! In many grids we are left to our own devices and it is without malice that we manage to do stupid things (in my case to make backup on my other account)... Of course there are also those who want to intentionally steal and everything we can say to them will not change them and your protection seems very essential, believing in the benevolence and recognition of people is very illusory...
The main thing I remember is that your script was put on the SL marketplace? It is really the worst that can be done to you because here it is really about taking money from it... beside to take advantage of you knowing on the code.
Anyway I am glad that it does not discourage you from continuing to script for OS :-) thank you
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The main thing I remember is that your script was put on the SL marketplace? It is really the worst that can be done to you because here it is really about taking money from it... beside to take advantage of you knowing on the code.
Anyway I am glad that it does not discourage you from continuing to script for OS :-) thank you
Yes, OpenSim's on-boarding that covers the entire range of questionable to not accessible to newbies to non-existent in the first place is its very own topic. I mean, it's shown often enough that even SL converts struggle after joining OpenSim.
And the on-boarding is the first impression that someone gets of OpenSim.
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And the on-boarding is the first impression that someone gets of OpenSim.
Thank you, Ankh! I avoided explaining God Mode in my post, as I didn't want there to be a rush of new users abusing the system, so to speak, but between it and CopyBot viewers, there's a lot of crazy going on that most people aren't familiar with. I honestly thought about creating my own version of a "Welcome to OS" region with more than just signs on how to walk, talk, and interact, but have avoided it because I didn't want to overload new folks with more information than they actually need. Perhaps I'll eventually follow through with an "Advance Your Knowledge of OS" region. 😛
And yes, it was put up for sale on MP, which is what ultimately brought me to this point. To "steal" my work by making it full perm is one thing, to claim it as your own and then profit from it is another.
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And yes, it was put up for sale on MP, which is what ultimately brought me to this point. To "steal" my work by making it full perm is one thing, to claim it as your own and then profit from it is another.
Yes it is not the goal here to go into details but with the tutorials on the net or even the instructions in OSGrid explaining how to make your sim on your PC you can very quickly get to know all that without knowing anything about it (even more when arriving on a grid like the one I fell...) and especially when being curious like I am... But once again it will only be useful to those who are willing to read and follow the instructions. The main interest would be that no one could say they were not aware! Like a contract or a disclaimer. The ideal world of a well-understood Anarchy is unfortunately only in the realm of Utopia... Maybe one day.... we can dream
But for now even in a small community like here you can't hope that people will behave like you do, unfortunately.
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But for now even in a small community like here you can't hope that people will behave like you do, unfortunately.
That's one of the things you unfortunately can't change. When I started with OpenSim, there was still anarchy. Even rezz rights were given generously. Everyone gives to everyone, it's a give and take.
My grid has existed since the end of 2009 (Dorenas World). Unfortunately, the tone within the community has worsened. It's a shame when people like you, who are even prepared to release things on request, are ignored, as is the case with God Mode. Unfortunately, your planned change to the rules of the game won't change that much. At least the nice people could modify your code snippets a little or change them slightly so that they can no longer be distinguished from yours at a glance. As sad as that may sound, there is no real security with regard to permissions in OpenSim.
In german:
Das ist einer der Punkte, die du leider nicht ändern kannst. Wo ich mit OpenSim anfing, herrschte quasi noch Anarchie. Selbst Rezzrechte waren großzügig vergeben. Jeder gibt jeden, ein Nehmen und Geben.
Mein Grid existiert bereits seit Ende 2009 (Dorenas World). Der Ton innerhalb der Community hat sich bedauerlicherweise verschlechtert. Es ist schade, wenn Leute wie du, die ja sogar bereit sind auf Anfrage Dinge freizugeben, damit übergangen werden, wie eben auch durch den God-Mode. Deine geplante Änderung der Spielregeln ändern da bedauerlicherweise nicht viel dran. Immerhin könnten die netten Leute ja deine Codeschnipsel etwas modifizieren oder leicht abändern, dass sie nicht mehr auf einen Blick von den deinen zu unterscheiden sind. So traurig das klingen mag, wirkliche Sicherheit bezüglich der Permissions gibt es in OpenSim nicht.
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My grid has existed since the end of 2009 (Dorenas World). Unfortunately, the tone within the community has worsened. It's a shame when people like you, who are even prepared to release things on request, are ignored, as is the case with God Mode. Unfortunately, your planned change to the rules of the game won't change that much. At least the nice people could modify your code snippets a little or change them slightly so that they can no longer be distinguished from yours at a glance. As sad as that may sound, there is no real security with regard to permissions in OpenSim.
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Das ist einer der Punkte, die du leider nicht ändern kannst. Wo ich mit OpenSim anfing, herrschte quasi noch Anarchie. Selbst Rezzrechte waren großzügig vergeben. Jeder gibt jeden, ein Nehmen und Geben.
Mein Grid existiert bereits seit Ende 2009 (Dorenas World). Der Ton innerhalb der Community hat sich bedauerlicherweise verschlechtert. Es ist schade, wenn Leute wie du, die ja sogar bereit sind auf Anfrage Dinge freizugeben, damit übergangen werden, wie eben auch durch den God-Mode. Deine geplante Änderung der Spielregeln ändern da bedauerlicherweise nicht viel dran. Immerhin könnten die netten Leute ja deine Codeschnipsel etwas modifizieren oder leicht abändern, dass sie nicht mehr auf einen Blick von den deinen zu unterscheiden sind. So traurig das klingen mag, wirkliche Sicherheit bezüglich der Permissions gibt es in OpenSim nicht.
Sadly, no, it can't be changed, but that's not going to stop me from trying. And I hear you - the tone seems to shift with the direction of the wind unfortunately. Thankfully there are some amazing people here in OS who aren't here just to wreak havoc, but to help improve the experience for everyone as a whole!
The snippet I'll be including will automatically delete the script if the permissions or creator changes, so the second someone uses God Mode to do so, the script will be gone, preventing them from ever getting a chance to look at the script itself. Hopefully this will help combat the issue, but I'm sure eventually this fix will have a workaround. At least for now I feel I have some more control over my projects.
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The snippet I'll be including will automatically delete the script if the permissions or creator changes, so the second someone uses God Mode to do so, the script will be gone, preventing them from ever getting a chance to look at the script itself. Hopefully this will help combat the issue, but I'm sure eventually this fix will have a workaround. At least for now I feel I have some more control over my projects.
Look - I hate to be negative, but it won't work. The same way that scripts in SL that are supposed to prevent you rezzing an item (as distinct from attaching it to your avatar) or which kill an item after a few minutes don't work to prevent people doing those things.
It won't be a a matter of "eventually" having a workaround ... the workaround is immediately obvious.
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It won't be a a matter of "eventually" having a workaround ... the workaround is immediately obvious.
As previously discussed in the comments, there is no way of preventing this in its entirety, only preventing the masses from doing so. Anyone who's bound and determined will do so, but I'm not going to sit back and make it easy for someone to take my time and work and profit from it. A door lock doesn't keep anyone out, it simply deters, but I'm not leaving my front door unlocked when I can easily turn the lock.
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The llDie() would remove the object itself, which really isn't my concern. Instead, I'm using llRemoveInventory() to delete just the script itself, leaving the object as-is, which in a lot of cases with my projects means rendering them useless.
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But you already know that if you add special scripts, word will get around and most people will avoid your mesh
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...except the script is by now in the grid's asset store, which is (unless manhandled) immutable ;-)
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True, though you'd really have to go through a process to make this possible, something your average user isn't likely to do. My issue is that it takes all of 2 or 3 clicks for any old Joe Blow to override the permissions I've set in place. If you're willing to go so far as to dive into the asset server, there's nothing that can be done to prevent someone, period.
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