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It was exceedingly annoying to me that a Linda Kellie dress I really liked had something like a MILLION triangles and shot your avatar complexity to 500K.
I reduced the tri count significantly, until I could do no more without destroying the original mesh. Then I rigged for Ruth RC3 and wore it around my lonely little dreamgrid (my internet sucks, in those days I could see myself but nobody could see, talk to or visit me)(this is why I moved to OSgrid). More recently, I also rigged for Athena with my legal copy of the maitreya dev kit. It's common and there's people that prefer it-who am I to judge?
It's in Mythos now. Has pre made variants with the texture, all my textures included (all black dresses with a different type of tartan on each). Old doesn't equal ugly and usually in opensim if you don't like the "out of style" texture on something you can change it...you can use any LK ruffle bottom texture, any one someone else made with the AO, etc. The original AO map is in the box.
It's a shorter skirt so I put some old bloomers I made, and some stockings from Shinobar Annex in the box as a courtesy.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/180/27
I reduced the tri count significantly, until I could do no more without destroying the original mesh. Then I rigged for Ruth RC3 and wore it around my lonely little dreamgrid (my internet sucks, in those days I could see myself but nobody could see, talk to or visit me)(this is why I moved to OSgrid). More recently, I also rigged for Athena with my legal copy of the maitreya dev kit. It's common and there's people that prefer it-who am I to judge?
It's in Mythos now. Has pre made variants with the texture, all my textures included (all black dresses with a different type of tartan on each). Old doesn't equal ugly and usually in opensim if you don't like the "out of style" texture on something you can change it...you can use any LK ruffle bottom texture, any one someone else made with the AO, etc. The original AO map is in the box.
It's a shorter skirt so I put some old bloomers I made, and some stockings from Shinobar Annex in the box as a courtesy.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/180/27
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Good thing you've added all your textures. That way, they can be applied to Linda's original meshes, complex as they may be.
That said, would you consider rigging for two more bodies?
One would be Maxine which is announced for spring 2024. The mesh is completely made from scratch, and a useful dev kit is part of the whole concept.
The other one would be Ruth2 v4 for those who use that body and don't want to switch to Maxine. I think it's still a common misconception that Ruth2 v4 is Ruth 2.0 RC#3 with BoM glued on and the alpha HUD removed, but otherwise the exact same mesh. In reality, Ada Radius has modified the mesh of Ruth2 v4 so much that the only Ruth 2.0 RC#3 clothes that are certain to fit are shoes. As for everything else, Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3 clothes are about as likely to fit as Athena clothes or system body clothes. And in fact, the best variant of the Ruffled Bottom Dress for Ruth2 v4 is the original Clutterfly M size; even though it gives Ruth2 v4 an enormous butt, it hardly has any clipping issues that can't be fixed with a custom-made alpha mask.
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That said, would you consider rigging for two more bodies?
One would be Maxine which is announced for spring 2024. The mesh is completely made from scratch, and a useful dev kit is part of the whole concept.
The other one would be Ruth2 v4 for those who use that body and don't want to switch to Maxine. I think it's still a common misconception that Ruth2 v4 is Ruth 2.0 RC#3 with BoM glued on and the alpha HUD removed, but otherwise the exact same mesh. In reality, Ada Radius has modified the mesh of Ruth2 v4 so much that the only Ruth 2.0 RC#3 clothes that are certain to fit are shoes. As for everything else, Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3 clothes are about as likely to fit as Athena clothes or system body clothes. And in fact, the best variant of the Ruffled Bottom Dress for Ruth2 v4 is the original Clutterfly M size; even though it gives Ruth2 v4 an enormous butt, it hardly has any clipping issues that can't be fixed with a custom-made alpha mask.
Ok...this mini discussion had me tempted to open up the R2v4 devkit again and take a look.
This is what I had to do....
The Devkit itself has either very corrupted or totally absent skeleton information in the github download for me. Is it my end? Is it their end? Is it just the download links themselves? Is it an issue between different maya and blender versions? I don't know, but for now I had to work with JUST body shape that has no bones and no weights.
So, I tugged the LK mesh around with sculpt tools in blender, and used a standard fitmesh rigged dummy.
Sometimes these things happens, have happened with other big name devkits I legally have from SL. In order for the meshes to even "Work" according to how users expect them to there's always at least a little bit similarities between the different brands and the standard old SL avatar. Furthermore, on some of my test uploads I noticed that the LK alpha layer works very well on R2v4's body. This tells me that Ava made the mesh very compatible with the SL standard avatar's rigging, which fits in with what you tell me about about standard size M fitting. This is why I choose to take weights from the standard fitmesh proxy I have, but shaping the actual mesh to R2v4's body.
Uploaded it. Works.
Works better then size M ( no giant ass), works better then maitreya/"athena rigs". Probably not as good as if devkit was more functional, and you still need alpha layer.
But, I'll put it in the box with alpha layer too.
Side note: I suspect one reason Ava Radius did this because V3 was, let's say, more than a kissing cousin in it's weights and skeleton info to Maitreya. Since there's been plentiful uploads of V3 to Second Life I feel like legal trouble wasn't far unless something was done (though I understand why this was done. Back when Slink was king a few smaller brands had mesh bodies with knockoff feet that fit slink shoes, for example.)
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This is what I had to do....
The Devkit itself has either very corrupted or totally absent skeleton information in the github download for me. Is it my end? Is it their end? Is it just the download links themselves? Is it an issue between different maya and blender versions? I don't know, but for now I had to work with JUST body shape that has no bones and no weights.
So, I tugged the LK mesh around with sculpt tools in blender, and used a standard fitmesh rigged dummy.
Sometimes these things happens, have happened with other big name devkits I legally have from SL. In order for the meshes to even "Work" according to how users expect them to there's always at least a little bit similarities between the different brands and the standard old SL avatar. Furthermore, on some of my test uploads I noticed that the LK alpha layer works very well on R2v4's body. This tells me that Ava made the mesh very compatible with the SL standard avatar's rigging, which fits in with what you tell me about about standard size M fitting. This is why I choose to take weights from the standard fitmesh proxy I have, but shaping the actual mesh to R2v4's body.
Uploaded it. Works.
Works better then size M ( no giant ass), works better then maitreya/"athena rigs". Probably not as good as if devkit was more functional, and you still need alpha layer.
But, I'll put it in the box with alpha layer too.
Side note: I suspect one reason Ava Radius did this because V3 was, let's say, more than a kissing cousin in it's weights and skeleton info to Maitreya. Since there's been plentiful uploads of V3 to Second Life I feel like legal trouble wasn't far unless something was done (though I understand why this was done. Back when Slink was king a few smaller brands had mesh bodies with knockoff feet that fit slink shoes, for example.)
Ruth2 and Roth2 have always been infamous for their terrible devkits. It seems like this is why there's hardly any clothing for them. This hasn't so much been an issue of Second Life users preferring the expensive luxury bodies from Maitreya, Slink, Belleza & Co., OpenSim users basically only knowing the ripped versions of the self-same bodies, and therefore there not being any demand for Ruth2 or Roth2 clothes. It may actually have been more of a case of people not using these bodies because there are hardly any clothes for them. And in Roth2's case, the Menswear Ghetto isn't solely to blame.
Both bodies were originally made by Shin Ingen in Zbrush, and I think Shin didn't even supply devkits. Within the RuthAndRoth team, work on anything 3-D became Ada Radius' task, especially after Shin had left before even officially declaring the bodies stable.
So the very reason why Ada made Max (Maxine and Maxwell) was because she was fed up with trying to nip and tuck on Shin's meshes and maintaining devkits for them in Blender. She told me a while ago that Roth2 needed to be remodelled entirely because none of the bodies in that family is compatible with anything existing without excessive alpha-ing and wrapping up pretty much the whole body in mesh clothes. It was easier to build a whole new "master body" from scratch in Blender right away and then make a number of derivatives including devkits.
And there seems to be quite a bunch of people waiting for Max devkits now, including two acquaintances of mine who have made and still make clothes for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3.
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Both bodies were originally made by Shin Ingen in Zbrush, and I think Shin didn't even supply devkits. Within the RuthAndRoth team, work on anything 3-D became Ada Radius' task, especially after Shin had left before even officially declaring the bodies stable.
So the very reason why Ada made Max (Maxine and Maxwell) was because she was fed up with trying to nip and tuck on Shin's meshes and maintaining devkits for them in Blender. She told me a while ago that Roth2 needed to be remodelled entirely because none of the bodies in that family is compatible with anything existing without excessive alpha-ing and wrapping up pretty much the whole body in mesh clothes. It was easier to build a whole new "master body" from scratch in Blender right away and then make a number of derivatives including devkits.
And there seems to be quite a bunch of people waiting for Max devkits now, including two acquaintances of mine who have made and still make clothes for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3.
I really tried with the Ruth 2v4 devkit for other things but it's not so good unfortunately. If Maxine does have a good devkit then I will certainly give it a go. :)
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