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Can I make a suggestion? I understand it sucks losing content. I've been there many many times. and losing access to your projects. And no I definately don't work for OSGrid and I'm an expert on literally nothing. But I feel like OSGrid being offline unexpectedly when they were trying to give folks until March 21...actually probably means they're in crisis.
As with probably all OpenSim grids this isn't a paid gig for anyone. It's volunteers trying to be helpful so the rest of the folks who don't necessarily do the tech side can enjoy this hobby. Sure there are grid owners who rent regions but with server costs and if people honestly charged for their time and effort, they wouldn't even break even.
As with probably all OpenSim grids this isn't a paid gig for anyone. It's volunteers trying to be helpful so the rest of the folks who don't necessarily do the tech side can enjoy this hobby. Sure there are grid owners who rent regions but with server costs and if people honestly charged for their time and effort, they wouldn't even break even.
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So I'm preparing my Backup2025 folder so I can make an IAR and have an issue.
I have a Lost&Found folder and when I 'Move' the contents to the Backup2025 folder they get 'Moved' back again into Lost&Found about an hour later.
This seems to be because a previous Inventory corruption related all my 'Outfits' to items in the Lost&Found folder. So it seems Outfits refreshes and pushes them all back into Lost&Found. :-/
I think, the only option to avoid loss is to 'Copy' rather than 'Move' my Lost&Found objects as, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Backup2025 routine won't save 'Outfits' anyway?
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Except I couldn't copy 'within' the inventory without copy privileges. So I had to box, godmode (I know everyone can't do this) and copy back into Backup2025
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I have a Lost&Found folder and when I 'Move' the contents to the Backup2025 folder they get 'Moved' back again into Lost&Found about an hour later.
This seems to be because a previous Inventory corruption related all my 'Outfits' to items in the Lost&Found folder. So it seems Outfits refreshes and pushes them all back into Lost&Found. :-/
I think, the only option to avoid loss is to 'Copy' rather than 'Move' my Lost&Found objects as, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Backup2025 routine won't save 'Outfits' anyway?
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Except I couldn't copy 'within' the inventory without copy privileges. So I had to box, godmode (I know everyone can't do this) and copy back into Backup2025
Wolf grid is way more stable with their advanced technology. The guy is a genius at opensim server technology. The system he has built is the closest thing I've seen to bullet proof.
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I think there are a lot of good grids out there. If Wolf Grid calls to you, awesome. My post is more about the legacy of OSGrid and having empathy for the folks dealing with this gigantic thing.
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You are right Jamie. They should make a cut and get OSgrid working faster than before with a fresh start. This is better. OSgrid is needed as one choice of other possibilities how you can run opensim. OSgrid has the advantage that you can connect your sims on a computer to the OSgrid. No worries about asset data bubbles on your own computer from visitors. Your own computer is not blowing up with Data because OSgrid is doing this for you, when you are connected. It is one big advantage for having a sim connected to OSgrid. But as we see now after decades it is also a disadvantage if the whole baggage of assets is making all slow and get corrupted. No wonder after so long time that such happens. But OSgrid is also the developer Grid and everyone knows that shit can happen. OSgrid was forerunner for all new opensimulator developments and this all open source for free and as hobby. If old stuff is now gone, then you should have cared for backups long time ago already.
OSgrid as alternative choice how a decentralized network could work has to stay healthy. If it means that now all old stuff is gone then it has to be. There are so many grids that stored already all old stuff. I bet you will find it again if it is really needed. For this reason it is always good to have redundancy for all the important stuff, we all use and need. Grimm e.g. exists out of this reason 5 times in whole opensim. So the chance that the biggest mall for clothes for any body type get lost in 10 years is minimal and you won't walk around naked lol The redundancy of 5 different grids is like a security for all members in opensim. Such should be practiced for all kind like it is already for furniture the same. It doesn't need big commercial grids. Just small Dreamgrids of Fred is enough and we all can sleep save. That's the idea. If stuff is corrupted on one grid then the other will have the same proper. This is digital world.
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OSgrid as alternative choice how a decentralized network could work has to stay healthy. If it means that now all old stuff is gone then it has to be. There are so many grids that stored already all old stuff. I bet you will find it again if it is really needed. For this reason it is always good to have redundancy for all the important stuff, we all use and need. Grimm e.g. exists out of this reason 5 times in whole opensim. So the chance that the biggest mall for clothes for any body type get lost in 10 years is minimal and you won't walk around naked lol The redundancy of 5 different grids is like a security for all members in opensim. Such should be practiced for all kind like it is already for furniture the same. It doesn't need big commercial grids. Just small Dreamgrids of Fred is enough and we all can sleep save. That's the idea. If stuff is corrupted on one grid then the other will have the same proper. This is digital world.
Users can't blame anyone but themselves, Its common knowledge that backups of everything should be done often. People always do important things last minute just like they do in RL. No pity for the hopeless.
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As others have mentioned, I expect everyone has been frantically saving IAR's and OAR's, me included. I bet this has crippled the servers.
I don't have a massive inventory and the first attempt at saving the 9k items in my inventory failed after waiting 5 hours. The second attempt finally completed with a bunch of missing stuff and errors after 18 hours for a total of 4.4 GB worth of stuff.
I don't think its worth trying to restore that IAR after the fact. It will just be uploading a bunch of broken crap I probably wont ever use. Its sad to lose some stuff, but A fresh start will be refreshing in many ways. A lot of things I have already on my stand alone. So I can probably pass a lot of the important things back over when the time comes.
At this point they might as well nuke it and get it back up and running properly rather than faffing about for a month.
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I don't have a massive inventory and the first attempt at saving the 9k items in my inventory failed after waiting 5 hours. The second attempt finally completed with a bunch of missing stuff and errors after 18 hours for a total of 4.4 GB worth of stuff.
I don't think its worth trying to restore that IAR after the fact. It will just be uploading a bunch of broken crap I probably wont ever use. Its sad to lose some stuff, but A fresh start will be refreshing in many ways. A lot of things I have already on my stand alone. So I can probably pass a lot of the important things back over when the time comes.
At this point they might as well nuke it and get it back up and running properly rather than faffing about for a month.
You may also go to that dump sim, put the items that you want to save (and that you know are intact) in boxes and pick them back up after the reset. That's what I'm going to do. Besides, I'm in three grids now with practically identical avatars. I can always send stuff back and forth between them.
What's broken in your IAR is probably broken in your inventory already. Just try to change clothes on your avatar and see what happens.
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What's broken in your IAR is probably broken in your inventory already. Just try to change clothes on your avatar and see what happens.
My current outfit seems ok and I have passed that to myself on my stand alone. I really don't think I will miss anything too badly. I'm a guy, so I naturally wear the same thing 99% of the time.
I'm sure there will be a time when I think, I know I had a doofer that did something somewhere and i wont be able to find it. Its no big deal at the end of the day. Everything I have made myself, I still have the original mesh/texture/sounds/scripts so I could rebuild it if needed.
I won't restore that IAR I saved as it will mostly be broken junk and there is no point uploading a bunch of crap to the asset server. I expect when everyone starts reloading all their junk the server will have another meltdown haha
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I'm sure there will be a time when I think, I know I had a doofer that did something somewhere and i wont be able to find it. Its no big deal at the end of the day. Everything I have made myself, I still have the original mesh/texture/sounds/scripts so I could rebuild it if needed.
I won't restore that IAR I saved as it will mostly be broken junk and there is no point uploading a bunch of crap to the asset server. I expect when everyone starts reloading all their junk the server will have another meltdown haha
Well said! ❤️ OSgrid and its volunteers have always worked hard to keep this amazing space alive for the community. It’s easy to forget how much time, energy, and care goes into running a grid, especially during a crisis. Huge thanks to the OSgrid team for everything they do behind the scenes. Wishing them strength and hoping for a smooth recovery. We’re lucky to have this space, and I’m grateful for the community that keeps it going. 🙏✨
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It's likely that many people are panicking and hitting the server to download stuff at the same time.
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True, if you rent a server as grid and rent out regions to people, you do it because you love what you do - not to make a profit. At least not if you ask reasonable prices. And you are right that OSGrid was the first and thta we all owe a lot to them.
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Also, I think it needs to be acknowledged that if something actually does happen to make it unsalvageable, that would be a loss for the whole Opensim community. They were the first and there's a lot OpenSim legacy we all owe to OSGrid.
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I think this is the thing. People are realising that there is "history" dying here.
However, OSGrid will survive. They will wipe the assets and restore OARs. Some things will restore ok - especially regions that had OARs from BEFORE this all happened. Same for IARs. A lot of content WILL Be restored after it "starts again". If I understand correctly - it will be a restart of the grid, people will be able to start up their regions again and connect with the same permissions etc. However, their inventories will be empty and regions will be blank. After starting their regions they can start restoring OARs and IARs.
Of course, everyone will do this at the same time which will slaughter the new asset servers - but thats inevitable. The grid will probably be rather slow for a while while its restoring. My suspicion is that so much will be lost that probably half of what was there before will actually be restored. Clearly OSGrid wont be "the same place it was".
Personally I have some avatars there that I have had for a lot of years and have not recently done IARs so I know I am losing some of my own history there. No point being too upset about it though - it is what it is.
What WILL be good though - is almost certainly some regions may be "dumped" that havent been updated in years and are just there "because" - probably good to just get rid and that's likely to happen for a lot of those. Also assets that are no longer in anyone's active inventory won't need to be taking up space. Long term this is probably a good thing.
As I've seen one other person point out - OSGrid IS ultimately the Open Simulator "Test grid" - it wasnt really designed as a "working grid". At least it used to have all kinds of warnings about "this may not be stable" etc. I think it's done really well over the years - even if I may not personally agree with some of the decisions taken by the management team.
On the other hand though - I think what people are finding frustrating is that OSGrid admin team are not really that communicative. We got the notice they were doing an asset reset - in about a month. Almost straight away we got a "we're putting a hold on that - we may not need to", then that message was pulled and there is no longer any record of the "we're not doing it yet". People dont know what's happening and I think that is what is causing some frustration with the OSGrid management.
Just me 2p worth :) Ultimately it will happen as it happens, yelling, screaming, tears or tantrums wont change it - we just have to live with it :)
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However, OSGrid will survive. They will wipe the assets and restore OARs. Some things will restore ok - especially regions that had OARs from BEFORE this all happened. Same for IARs. A lot of content WILL Be restored after it "starts again". If I understand correctly - it will be a restart of the grid, people will be able to start up their regions again and connect with the same permissions etc. However, their inventories will be empty and regions will be blank. After starting their regions they can start restoring OARs and IARs.
Of course, everyone will do this at the same time which will slaughter the new asset servers - but thats inevitable. The grid will probably be rather slow for a while while its restoring. My suspicion is that so much will be lost that probably half of what was there before will actually be restored. Clearly OSGrid wont be "the same place it was".
Personally I have some avatars there that I have had for a lot of years and have not recently done IARs so I know I am losing some of my own history there. No point being too upset about it though - it is what it is.
What WILL be good though - is almost certainly some regions may be "dumped" that havent been updated in years and are just there "because" - probably good to just get rid and that's likely to happen for a lot of those. Also assets that are no longer in anyone's active inventory won't need to be taking up space. Long term this is probably a good thing.
As I've seen one other person point out - OSGrid IS ultimately the Open Simulator "Test grid" - it wasnt really designed as a "working grid". At least it used to have all kinds of warnings about "this may not be stable" etc. I think it's done really well over the years - even if I may not personally agree with some of the decisions taken by the management team.
On the other hand though - I think what people are finding frustrating is that OSGrid admin team are not really that communicative. We got the notice they were doing an asset reset - in about a month. Almost straight away we got a "we're putting a hold on that - we may not need to", then that message was pulled and there is no longer any record of the "we're not doing it yet". People dont know what's happening and I think that is what is causing some frustration with the OSGrid management.
Just me 2p worth :) Ultimately it will happen as it happens, yelling, screaming, tears or tantrums wont change it - we just have to live with it :)