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I had a post deleted from this thread so am going to try to repost it here. The gaslighting and coercion that occurred during covid was disgusting. The emotional manipulation was disgusting. The government propaganda and control were disgusting. The lack of proper information was disgusting. People should have the choice as to what goes into their bodies every single time. Giving any Government control over what should be put into other people's bodies is disgusting. Where there is a risk of damage from any medical procedure there needs to be choice based on informed consent. There was a big lack of information about these vaccines even down to the inserts that are often in the boxes for meds (many of which were blank) etc. Pfizer wanted to keep the documentation of their trials closed for 75 years. Why? Those who hoped for and cheered on Government mandates to force others to do something against their consent tread a really dangerous path that can come back to bite you in the future. Giving any government that type of power ever is terrifying to me.
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Ya tell that to the millions, of family members who's loved one died, from covid in the first year. The vaccine helped, and it was an advise well taken, from my health advisors.
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This is about choice. The vaccines did not stop the spread of covid. Tell those that have now died from or been damaged by the vaccines that their lives don't matter now because at least you are protected right?
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This is not about choice. Covid vaccinations prevented an estimated 14.4 million deaths (95% credible interval (13.7–15.9) from COVID‐19 in just the first year. Thats whats important, not that you got sniffles.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537923/#:~:t...
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This is about choice always should be. Be careful not to let the govt get that sort power to determine what goes into your body.
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No the vaccine did not stop the spread. How can it when not all get vaccinated. All vaccines are ofc experimental. Nothing is 100% How can they be? These are new viruses. This is not the last of any SARS viruses. There is also those that have severe complications from having covid. Your statement says the government propaganda, it wasn't propaganda. Yes they were trying to CONTROL the spread of covid. I know nothing on this pfizer documentation. That sounds like fox news to me. Let's agree to disagree.
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Then you best look into the Pfizer thing and read widely as it's not a FOX news thing.
propa·ganda
[prɒpəˈɡandə]
NOUN
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
Vaccinated still get Covid so can still spread it which means the govt did not control the spread. Again, i will state for the I think 4th time in this thread, NO person or government should ever have the power to say what goes into the body of another person ie vaccines etc especially experimental ones. What i saw during this was corrupt bodies of power using their position in an unlawful way. Consent to treatment should be informed and if you only get the information the govt wants you to have ie propaganda you are not getting all the information you need.
This is the last thing i will say on this.
1) Everyone should read more widely and that means information from different points of view even if you don't agree with that point of view.
2) Learn and understand what propaganda is and how its implemented.
3) The authorities do not always have our best interests in mind, they are more likely to want to prop themselves up in some way.
4) There were many many many people warning against the covid policies that were being implemented.
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propa·ganda
[prɒpəˈɡandə]
NOUN
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
Vaccinated still get Covid so can still spread it which means the govt did not control the spread. Again, i will state for the I think 4th time in this thread, NO person or government should ever have the power to say what goes into the body of another person ie vaccines etc especially experimental ones. What i saw during this was corrupt bodies of power using their position in an unlawful way. Consent to treatment should be informed and if you only get the information the govt wants you to have ie propaganda you are not getting all the information you need.
This is the last thing i will say on this.
1) Everyone should read more widely and that means information from different points of view even if you don't agree with that point of view.
2) Learn and understand what propaganda is and how its implemented.
3) The authorities do not always have our best interests in mind, they are more likely to want to prop themselves up in some way.
4) There were many many many people warning against the covid policies that were being implemented.
We are a nation of laws that are there to save us people like you. If you have active tuberculosis, I will be the first person to report you so you get arrested and locked in a special hospital cell. You will deserve it for being irresponsible. https://www.cdc.gov/tb/programs/laws/menu/emergencydetenti...
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Well at least with my information, I did not give a smart remark. i do know what propaganda is. I don't go searching the web for information. I rely on my doctor's advice. I would really like to see all these SARs eliminated. But will never happen. I am sure the government isn't out to kill anyone. After all we all pay taxes, and paying their wages. Again i will just say let's agree to disagree.
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To me it's terrifying how much control we have given to those in power. How easy it is to manipulate us into doing awful things against others out of fear. We wonder about atrocities from the past and how easy it was to divide into them and us through use of fear. Did i mention how disgusting it is? :)
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Yes, it is and we are all prone to it and we need to be aware of our own propensity to fall into it!
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While vaccines, like any medical intervention, can have side effects, the benefits of vaccination in preventing serious diseases far outweigh the risks for the vast majority of people. It's essential to consult with healthcare professionals and rely on credible sources of information when making decisions about vaccination. Ignorance Breeds Ignorance-Stay Educated and Informed.
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Agreed. Google and media are not scientists or doctors. I keep my faith, in those whose jobs daily, experiment to the fullest.
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I don't understand people who get vaccinated against covid 19 to go on holiday in the tropics, but don't vaccinate their child against measles or meningitis......
Anti-vaxxers have done more harm than good! The reason dangerous vaccines are being sold at insane prices are precisely these organizations created by pharmaceutical companies to promote their dangerous junk.
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Anti-vaxxers have done more harm than good! The reason dangerous vaccines are being sold at insane prices are precisely these organizations created by pharmaceutical companies to promote their dangerous junk.
On my sixth, never had it, likely never will. No long covid for me. Been in a room with 7 people, five who got it.
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Never had the vaccine, had covid for like 6 hours and a bit tired for a week after, no long covid for me either. Have never had it again. Yet I hear of people who have had the vaccine and boosters coming down with Covid several times. It may not be the vaccines protecting you at all could just be your natural immune system working.
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It saves you from dying. Almost everyone who has had the shots has a very mild case, and there are very few hospitalizations. Compare that to the tens of millions who died from a lack of vaccination.
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"Rare" used to be applied in on case out of 1 million and has now dropped down to 1 in less then 10,000 and that only applies when talking about 1 side effect even though some Covid vaccines have a dozen or more listed debilitating side effects, upping the case of overall side effects to under 1 in a 1,000.
The CDC and FDA have taken a huge hit on their reputation because of the waffling around of recommended suggestions because of the pandemic.
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The CDC and FDA have taken a huge hit on their reputation because of the waffling around of recommended suggestions because of the pandemic.
Studies, by qualified researchers, using scientific procedures, published in a peer-review journal. and the findings replicated by other researchers.
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The way this is done is by citations. Science works by building upon other works.
https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=top_venues&hl...
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A corrupt process that is increasingly coming under criticism. Several reputable journals were caught with their pants down because of biases they put through their publications. Not surprising considering some of the large pharmaceuticals we're doing their advertising through them. Studies that were not favorable to them were pulled before they even made it through the peer review process.
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Odds of vaccine injury are rare. In all cases of FDA approved vaccines the risks benefits are more than the downside. Take for example, Covid-19 vaccines.
Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. It has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. People receiving COVID-19 vaccines are less likely to die from COVID-19 and its complications and are at no greater risk of death from non-COVID causes, than unvaccinated people.
Analysis of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) after COVID-19 Vaccination found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccination.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) has been rarely observed after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered. No cases have been observed with other vaccines.
These are peer-reviewed results published at the CDC with data taken from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). As time has passed and more safety data have accumulated, the initial finding has decreased, and scientists believe factors other than vaccination might have contributed to the initial finding. The current evidence does not support the existence of a safety issue.
All direct quotes from https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/...
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Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. It has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. People receiving COVID-19 vaccines are less likely to die from COVID-19 and its complications and are at no greater risk of death from non-COVID causes, than unvaccinated people.
Analysis of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) after COVID-19 Vaccination found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccination.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) has been rarely observed after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered. No cases have been observed with other vaccines.
These are peer-reviewed results published at the CDC with data taken from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). As time has passed and more safety data have accumulated, the initial finding has decreased, and scientists believe factors other than vaccination might have contributed to the initial finding. The current evidence does not support the existence of a safety issue.
All direct quotes from https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/...
Well now. You expect facts to persuade people who think, "I'd rather my child be dead than autistic?" Not going to happen.
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As you can see from the responses below, most here are ignorant and asleep. Your info does get through where it's needed and thank you!
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I know about someone who was vaccine injured. He can't visit Awakenings. He is dead.
https://okcfox.com/news/nation-world/florida-man-bludgeons...
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https://okcfox.com/news/nation-world/florida-man-bludgeons...
I wouldn't feel sorry for his loss Omy as the story was one of mental illness, not a vaccine injury. Some people just can't help themselves.
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Yes, the story was about someone so paranoid about the vaccinee that he killed his father for getting it. A number of people died, one way or the other, from disinformation and fear. I count that as people injured.
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Being a non vaccinated person or one who chooses to not have their children vaccinated. Has brought back, for example, measles that were eradicated in 2000. All vaccines have their risks, as do any medications. People react differently to them all. To take legal action, is to ignore a cure for any and all we acquire.
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As I said on the post above where there is a risk involved with any medical procedure people have the right to choose not to have it! Those who wish to take the risk are protected if the ie vaccine works.
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