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Asking for money is not the solution.
In the past, as Copper mentioned, Opensimulator users have already been "cheated." So why go further and ask them for money when many grid owners might need funds to keep their grid running as a hobby and source of entertainment, where they don't earn much money?
The individuals who design Opensimulator, to whom we owe our deepest gratitude, and those who work on derivatives, those who offer "ALL-IN-ONE" solutions like Fred with Dream and Kubwa with their product, do not receive money to feed their families. Even there, there are hours and hours of work, programming, bug fixing; it's not just a simple pastime. Programming to offer a free product is a highly demanding passion.
There's no need to fund the EchoVoice project and continually ask for money. It would be more appropriate to try to find a programmer and contributors to work on an active project, making it compatible with Opensimulator, perhaps developing it in parallel. That would be fantastic, or a team of volunteers who start from scratch by studying the protocols.
Why do I have this idea? Simply because every grid owner could load voice software onto their server in this way, having an independent and parallel voice in Opensimulator.
Why am I against funding EchoVoice? Simply because it would fund a company that employs a programmer and centralizes the voice server, limiting users' freedom of use. I don't believe this is the right path.
Furthermore, the campaign opened by someone insists on saying that open source and projects created by volunteers don't pay rent and don't provide food. I respond again by inviting all of you to think about Ubit, who manages Opensimulator and the contributors to the project, about Fred with Dream Grid that many of you use, and about Kubwa. But this is just one example in the opensim world. There are authors of many viewers who do it out of passion without earning anything. But to go further, it's not true that Red Hat Linux is paid for; all GNU/Linux distributions are free, services are paid for. So, this person who claims that even Linux is paid for is trying to make you believe something that is absolutely not true. Paying for advanced support service or some defined pro features in Linux is equivalent to having something exclusive that that company offers. But even there, you pay about $99 a year to have a SERVICE.
With EchoVoice, you end up funding a company that will need to ask for funding every time until it can generate its own money to pay a programmer for a simple update. Is it based on Opensimulator? If Ubit were to ask for $1 a month for everyone using his (and the contributors') hard work, he would be very wealthy. The same goes for Dream Grid, and this is where the difference lies: the passion with which you program without asking for money, because perhaps through donations you can still achieve a sum.
These individuals, as well as others behind free projects that don't ask for money, started programming and working without asking for anything; that's how trust is gained.
And anyhow, centralizing the EchoVoice service would be wrong.
Think it over carefully.
In the past, as Copper mentioned, Opensimulator users have already been "cheated." So why go further and ask them for money when many grid owners might need funds to keep their grid running as a hobby and source of entertainment, where they don't earn much money?
The individuals who design Opensimulator, to whom we owe our deepest gratitude, and those who work on derivatives, those who offer "ALL-IN-ONE" solutions like Fred with Dream and Kubwa with their product, do not receive money to feed their families. Even there, there are hours and hours of work, programming, bug fixing; it's not just a simple pastime. Programming to offer a free product is a highly demanding passion.
There's no need to fund the EchoVoice project and continually ask for money. It would be more appropriate to try to find a programmer and contributors to work on an active project, making it compatible with Opensimulator, perhaps developing it in parallel. That would be fantastic, or a team of volunteers who start from scratch by studying the protocols.
Why do I have this idea? Simply because every grid owner could load voice software onto their server in this way, having an independent and parallel voice in Opensimulator.
Why am I against funding EchoVoice? Simply because it would fund a company that employs a programmer and centralizes the voice server, limiting users' freedom of use. I don't believe this is the right path.
Furthermore, the campaign opened by someone insists on saying that open source and projects created by volunteers don't pay rent and don't provide food. I respond again by inviting all of you to think about Ubit, who manages Opensimulator and the contributors to the project, about Fred with Dream Grid that many of you use, and about Kubwa. But this is just one example in the opensim world. There are authors of many viewers who do it out of passion without earning anything. But to go further, it's not true that Red Hat Linux is paid for; all GNU/Linux distributions are free, services are paid for. So, this person who claims that even Linux is paid for is trying to make you believe something that is absolutely not true. Paying for advanced support service or some defined pro features in Linux is equivalent to having something exclusive that that company offers. But even there, you pay about $99 a year to have a SERVICE.
With EchoVoice, you end up funding a company that will need to ask for funding every time until it can generate its own money to pay a programmer for a simple update. Is it based on Opensimulator? If Ubit were to ask for $1 a month for everyone using his (and the contributors') hard work, he would be very wealthy. The same goes for Dream Grid, and this is where the difference lies: the passion with which you program without asking for money, because perhaps through donations you can still achieve a sum.
These individuals, as well as others behind free projects that don't ask for money, started programming and working without asking for anything; that's how trust is gained.
And anyhow, centralizing the EchoVoice service would be wrong.
Think it over carefully.
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As I have continuously said, with immaculate exuberance, and extreme exasperation, in a forthcoming solutions veritable wake, we stroll haphazardly disingenuously forward towards an inexorable black hole of devastation whose import cannot be discredited or it's view port marked as recalcitrant. This issue is no different than people who suffer from paroxsymal ischemic supraventricular tachycardia taking a moment to study nucleotinamide dinucleotide adenosine triphosphate utilization in the flora and the fauna by zapping evergreens with a spherical convergent focus electrostatic ion accelerator. :( so put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!! >:(
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If there are free versions of all Linux distributions...
For now, Suse (my dog) and Debian (my cat) or their godchildren, like Ubuntu, are the only free ones.
But for example, CentOS (this cat died, I should've realized what was going to happen with this distro)
https://blog.centos.org/2023/04/end-dates-are-coming-for-c...
Who took over the developers' work???? Red Hat... most of its developers have moved to Alma Linux and/or Rocky Linux.
Red Hat does offer something free, but the reality is that people are begging for discount vouchers for it.
https://old.reddit.com/r/redhat/comments/mrgrv5/red_hat_ce...
They've taken the community's work, dressed it up, and delivered it as a paid product.
The majority of CMSs, which are free, are created to be used by everyone. But the plugins, even the code from some that have become very famous, end up being paid.
This is like games; they give it to you for free, but the royalties are paid, and little by little, they become the most expensive product in history, see PrestaShop or WordPress.
Is there something wrong with this? Not for me. If someone offers me a not-so-expensive option to integrate OpenSim into WordPress, I'll gladly pay. If someone does it in Joomla like JOpenSim, I'll also pay. I spend a fortune on licenses every month, and that's how it is (I pay for the work of developers who help me do my job from which I earn money). But I don't earn money with OpenSim...
Would I pay for the voice in OpenSim? I don't think so (by the way, Vivox still works) but if it's not too high a fee, I'd do it, just to have it for some time.
There's no need to ask for someone else's work for free, but YOU DON'T BUY SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK TO THEN SELL IT, and that's something that happens a lot, or IT'S STOLEN AND THEN SOLD.
If something is free, you are the product, or you get partners, which is what we should be doing in OpenSim, but as a community.
(Oh my God!!! Have you seen how bad the wiki is????)
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For now, Suse (my dog) and Debian (my cat) or their godchildren, like Ubuntu, are the only free ones.
But for example, CentOS (this cat died, I should've realized what was going to happen with this distro)
https://blog.centos.org/2023/04/end-dates-are-coming-for-c...
Who took over the developers' work???? Red Hat... most of its developers have moved to Alma Linux and/or Rocky Linux.
Red Hat does offer something free, but the reality is that people are begging for discount vouchers for it.
https://old.reddit.com/r/redhat/comments/mrgrv5/red_hat_ce...
They've taken the community's work, dressed it up, and delivered it as a paid product.
The majority of CMSs, which are free, are created to be used by everyone. But the plugins, even the code from some that have become very famous, end up being paid.
This is like games; they give it to you for free, but the royalties are paid, and little by little, they become the most expensive product in history, see PrestaShop or WordPress.
Is there something wrong with this? Not for me. If someone offers me a not-so-expensive option to integrate OpenSim into WordPress, I'll gladly pay. If someone does it in Joomla like JOpenSim, I'll also pay. I spend a fortune on licenses every month, and that's how it is (I pay for the work of developers who help me do my job from which I earn money). But I don't earn money with OpenSim...
Would I pay for the voice in OpenSim? I don't think so (by the way, Vivox still works) but if it's not too high a fee, I'd do it, just to have it for some time.
There's no need to ask for someone else's work for free, but YOU DON'T BUY SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK TO THEN SELL IT, and that's something that happens a lot, or IT'S STOLEN AND THEN SOLD.
If something is free, you are the product, or you get partners, which is what we should be doing in OpenSim, but as a community.
(Oh my God!!! Have you seen how bad the wiki is????)
https://www.centos.org/download/ CentOS for Free, please download your ISO also from torrent.
I'm sorry for you, but I honestly use WordPress for free. I use it for various purposes, and I also have many plugins that are free in their basic version.
All GNU/Linux distributions are free, that's what the license says. If it weren't the case, it would violate the license terms.
What you pay for in relation to Linux software are: proprietary software if included (not all, for example, you don't pay for Nvidia drivers), advanced support services for individuals and businesses, services to assist businesses in developing their infrastructure (whether it's servers or desktops).
Canonical has never asked me for money for Ubuntu, the same goes for Linux Mint and other distributions. They all have a free counterpart because someone has questioned Redhat. It should be known that Redhat has Fedora as a free distribution, and it's clearly stated on their website.
Stop trying to convince people that they have to pay for good things.
Without going into technical details, GNU/Linux distributions are free. What you pay for in various forms, such as Pro versions, Advanced versions, or Enterprise versions, are proprietary software and extended support, as I explained earlier.
I have never paid, except voluntarily donating what I could, to use Filezilla, Clonezilla, Gimp, Libreoffice, or other development tools, just as I have not paid for WordPress, which I use and configure daily, and many other pieces of software. Like me, many others here haven't had to pay to get their viewer, to create their own grid.
If you have paid, I'm sorry for you. You should have carefully considered your choices, unless you are a company with special support needs or specific software requirements for your distribution.
The problem here is different. They are seeking money for something that doesn't exist, that has never been presented, not even in a minimally functional alpha state. Here, we're talking about someone who created a viewer for Opensimulator based on the old, no longer updated Alchemy Viewer, and is asking for money for it. It would be more appropriate to directly fund the Alchemy team, like all the programmers who work for FREE on Opensimulator development.
If we are going to support someone, let's support those who dedicate themselves and deliver results, not those who ask for money by selling illusions.
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I'm sorry for you, but I honestly use WordPress for free. I use it for various purposes, and I also have many plugins that are free in their basic version.
All GNU/Linux distributions are free, that's what the license says. If it weren't the case, it would violate the license terms.
What you pay for in relation to Linux software are: proprietary software if included (not all, for example, you don't pay for Nvidia drivers), advanced support services for individuals and businesses, services to assist businesses in developing their infrastructure (whether it's servers or desktops).
Canonical has never asked me for money for Ubuntu, the same goes for Linux Mint and other distributions. They all have a free counterpart because someone has questioned Redhat. It should be known that Redhat has Fedora as a free distribution, and it's clearly stated on their website.
Stop trying to convince people that they have to pay for good things.
Without going into technical details, GNU/Linux distributions are free. What you pay for in various forms, such as Pro versions, Advanced versions, or Enterprise versions, are proprietary software and extended support, as I explained earlier.
I have never paid, except voluntarily donating what I could, to use Filezilla, Clonezilla, Gimp, Libreoffice, or other development tools, just as I have not paid for WordPress, which I use and configure daily, and many other pieces of software. Like me, many others here haven't had to pay to get their viewer, to create their own grid.
If you have paid, I'm sorry for you. You should have carefully considered your choices, unless you are a company with special support needs or specific software requirements for your distribution.
The problem here is different. They are seeking money for something that doesn't exist, that has never been presented, not even in a minimally functional alpha state. Here, we're talking about someone who created a viewer for Opensimulator based on the old, no longer updated Alchemy Viewer, and is asking for money for it. It would be more appropriate to directly fund the Alchemy team, like all the programmers who work for FREE on Opensimulator development.
If we are going to support someone, let's support those who dedicate themselves and deliver results, not those who ask for money by selling illusions.
"CentOS (/ˈsɛntɒs/, from Community Enterprise Operating System; also known as CentOS Linux)[5][6] is a discontinued Linux distribution that provided a free and open-source community-supported computing platform, functionally compatible with its upstream source, Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)." (wikipedia)
Irrespective of its development tier, it was and still is available for free, much like Fedora. An abandoned project doesn't imply that it wasn't free. Please try to provide a well-relevant response, staying on topic. It's important not to stray too far off-topic.
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Irrespective of its development tier, it was and still is available for free, much like Fedora. An abandoned project doesn't imply that it wasn't free. Please try to provide a well-relevant response, staying on topic. It's important not to stray too far off-topic.
A worker is worth their wages! As long as they are delivering on what the work requires. I personally feel we as a community should do more to support those who work hard for nothing for Os etc. I myself am guilty of not doing so enough though I find it confusing as to whom and to where to give. I would be happy to support through something like a Patreon type thing were a monthly fee could be taken out without me having to remember.
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I don't like people asking for money, and you are doing it. START MAKING OFFERS AND CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY TO THE WORK OF UBIT AND FRED THEN, AND START PAYING FOR CONTENT IN OPENSIMULATOR AS YOU REASON, DON'T JUST ASK FOR MONEY FOR YOUR IMA PROJECTS. What you are asking for is absurd, I will not accept any more comments from those shamelessly asking for money without considering other solutions that are accessible to everyone. The initiatives here are carried out by volunteers; go work in LL if you want to earn money, respect all users.
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IM not asking for any money!! You also need to re-read my comment as to where I specifically state I am happy to support OS projects. I also often do pay for content in OS and ON Kitley. If someone offers a good product here then we should encourage them.
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This is a really gross oversimplification of the software industry and especially open source software. Sure some things are done for free by people who are passionate about them. Sometimes those people take donations and I'm sure buying someone a beer when they have put so much work into a project you like and appreciate is not only noble. It ought to be considerate and common sense.
There are a number of people who like to say that OpenSim was created so everything could be free. Well in fact a very large part of OpenSim was made by commercial interests or people who had their work funded by commercial interests. There are some projects that are complex enough that they really require some investment to get off the ground. And yes, you're correct its possible to monetize opensource software through services as Redhat and some of the Linux companies do. But the developers that do the actual work in those companies. They get a paycheck. And we should all be glad they do. Since creating software, especially complex systems is hard.
It was perhaps naive to think that the OpenSim community would step up to crowdfund a voice replacement. For the most part OpenSim users have demonstrated time and again that they dont want to pay for much of anything. But there was nothing immoral or evil in asking. And if the project had been funded and delivered this community would have the benefit of a replacement for voice should it go away (also because a commercial interest decides that continuing to provide a service with no way to monetize it isn't in their interest).
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There are a number of people who like to say that OpenSim was created so everything could be free. Well in fact a very large part of OpenSim was made by commercial interests or people who had their work funded by commercial interests. There are some projects that are complex enough that they really require some investment to get off the ground. And yes, you're correct its possible to monetize opensource software through services as Redhat and some of the Linux companies do. But the developers that do the actual work in those companies. They get a paycheck. And we should all be glad they do. Since creating software, especially complex systems is hard.
It was perhaps naive to think that the OpenSim community would step up to crowdfund a voice replacement. For the most part OpenSim users have demonstrated time and again that they dont want to pay for much of anything. But there was nothing immoral or evil in asking. And if the project had been funded and delivered this community would have the benefit of a replacement for voice should it go away (also because a commercial interest decides that continuing to provide a service with no way to monetize it isn't in their interest).
Start by paying Ubit, Fred, and all the Opensimulator contributors, then. Here, it seems like all you're doing is asking for money. Regarding the concept of "crudeness" in the software environment, the fact is that Linux distributions, Libreoffice, and many other tools are FREE. They are free, and if you want extra services, you pay for them. It seems that EchoVoice and IMA are just another scam like other things. After all, they worked on a viewer that was eventually abandoned at version 1.0.0.0, derived from Alchemy Viewer, no less! So, before writing nonsense, do your research. Pay the authors of Firestorm before making unfounded claims about programmers. Pay Ubit, pay Fred, pay all the developers who donate their time to keep you in Opensimulator. Pay for this site regularly, just pay! Then, when you show me that you've paid all these people at least $2 each every month and all the producers of free software you use, websites, and more, then maybe I'll believe the words of people who promote non-scientific or "physical" payment projects. I won't tolerate comments asking people for money anymore; it's disgraceful. If people knew about EchoVoice and didn't donate until the fundraising campaign was closed, it means they're not interested. $60,000 for a project? Are we kidding? A programmer doesn't get $60,000 for a project, and there aren't many details on the IMA website.
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I think you must really just like to hear yourself talk. Mostly your just speaking nonsense. Firstly, I'm not asking for money. Possible you didnt mean that but you did say it in a response to my message. And it's you who are making unfounded claims about an industry you're clearly ignorant of. Take a look on a job board. An entry level developer just out of college could very well make $60k a year and that doesn't include the cost of benefits and so on. Someone with the kind of experience to work on OpenSim or a spatialized voice project would likely be compensated quite a bit more. If what you mean to say is you don't think that a commercial development approach should be used to enhance OpenSim, well then, I'd say you get what you pay for. But shooting your mouth off and pretending there is some ethical issue with a person asking for money to fund a project of this nature is wrong headed. And again just a case of you wanting to bitch about something to hear yourself talk.
As I said, the IMA folks were perhaps naive when they chose to take a commercial development funding approach to getting this project done. But unless you have a stack of developers who all love to work for free. Thats not likely to happen. OpenSim users as I said don't feel they should have to pay for anything. Or at least enough do that the environment is toxic when it comes to things like this. Getting any kind of serious funding for OpenSim is essentially impossible. Its not taken seriously. So on my fork I work on it as my time permits and perhaps one day the software quality and stability will be there, and it will be possible to get it funded.
So basically give it a rest. IMA can at worst be accused of being Naive. At least they aren't subjecting everyone here to ridiculous uninformed rants because they like to hear themselves talk. I'd say in my book thats the bigger crime.
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As I said, the IMA folks were perhaps naive when they chose to take a commercial development funding approach to getting this project done. But unless you have a stack of developers who all love to work for free. Thats not likely to happen. OpenSim users as I said don't feel they should have to pay for anything. Or at least enough do that the environment is toxic when it comes to things like this. Getting any kind of serious funding for OpenSim is essentially impossible. Its not taken seriously. So on my fork I work on it as my time permits and perhaps one day the software quality and stability will be there, and it will be possible to get it funded.
So basically give it a rest. IMA can at worst be accused of being Naive. At least they aren't subjecting everyone here to ridiculous uninformed rants because they like to hear themselves talk. I'd say in my book thats the bigger crime.
I don't even read your entire comment, you are a person who is part of a for-profit activity, so IMA, consequently, being created for the purpose of profiting from its "users" or "customers" (whichever you prefer), must operate to make a profit. This is logical, and you can make up anything you want, but the rest of the comments from those who have experience with IMA demonstrate that YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING REALLY USEFUL, not even a project that is genuinely highlighted on your poor and poorly updated website.
So, if I have to decide who to fund for a complex project like the Voice dedicated exclusively to Opensimulator among for-profit companies, I choose a company that has a well-stocked portfolio of work and offers guarantees, is serious and experienced in the field.
How can you expect to ask for money for a "charitable" purpose when your Home Page clearly states that you are a for-profit company? Do you know how companies work? They invest and sell products; you should do the same, bring something concrete and sell your product.
Everything you write (which I didn't even read in full, the first few lines where you claim to be IMA and represent it were enough for me) is certainly the usual words used in certain product sales strategies to convince people to pay.
That's not what Opensimulator needs. I'll let the comments of people who have had direct experience with you and IMA speak for themselves. I repeat, from your poor website, where you declare yourself for-profit, there is no valid project, and nothing on that site is useful for the Opensimulator community. So I may say silly things, as you claim, but I base my opinions on facts, and the facts are these: you are asking for money for something that DOES NOT EXIST and has already been rejected by Opensimulator users because you didn't reach the required quota (fortunately).
By the way, what happened to the $750 previously raised?
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So, if I have to decide who to fund for a complex project like the Voice dedicated exclusively to Opensimulator among for-profit companies, I choose a company that has a well-stocked portfolio of work and offers guarantees, is serious and experienced in the field.
How can you expect to ask for money for a "charitable" purpose when your Home Page clearly states that you are a for-profit company? Do you know how companies work? They invest and sell products; you should do the same, bring something concrete and sell your product.
Everything you write (which I didn't even read in full, the first few lines where you claim to be IMA and represent it were enough for me) is certainly the usual words used in certain product sales strategies to convince people to pay.
That's not what Opensimulator needs. I'll let the comments of people who have had direct experience with you and IMA speak for themselves. I repeat, from your poor website, where you declare yourself for-profit, there is no valid project, and nothing on that site is useful for the Opensimulator community. So I may say silly things, as you claim, but I base my opinions on facts, and the facts are these: you are asking for money for something that DOES NOT EXIST and has already been rejected by Opensimulator users because you didn't reach the required quota (fortunately).
By the way, what happened to the $750 previously raised?
I would like to clarify a bit on the ScenGate viewer project, no money RL$$ was ever asked to be donated for the completion of this ill fated IMA OS based viewer. Shelenn Ayres ran it as an experiment with a college class she was currently teaching. Her students did the majority of the coding. To be honest with you the end result was not the success hoped for.
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You can ask the perpetrators themselves in person virtually every Wednesday night EST at 8:00pm, they regularly advertise the weekly IMA meeting of the minds here, on OpenSimWorld.
It's worth a visit, and to clarify the situation a bit further, Maria of HG Business was totally against publishing or promoting the IMA's EchoVoice project. It took much badgering by Shelenn Ayres, and her cohort Seth the two figureheads of the IMA that I am familiar with, to finally convince her to do so.
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It's worth a visit, and to clarify the situation a bit further, Maria of HG Business was totally against publishing or promoting the IMA's EchoVoice project. It took much badgering by Shelenn Ayres, and her cohort Seth the two figureheads of the IMA that I am familiar with, to finally convince her to do so.
8pm EST is my 2am in EU pfff.. We had IMA in metropolis grid back then...Just blabla without any increasing anything to Opensim. This is just a waste of time. Maria has a long story of journalism. I better trust her than this IMA thing! And if that fundraising would have beeen a serious thing: Why didnt they explain that in HG business what they did with the money? They never did and kept that approx 725$ for themselves. So bottom of line: another cheating to get money from good believing people! Forget IMA shit
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I don't know what happened to that money. I can only speculate as to whether it was returned or not, no proof or interest in proving one way or another. I am just happy that I was not the person to initiate this entire "InfinateMetaverseAlliace" scam conversation here. I did feel a need to state the facts as I see them.
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Thank you for clarifying Scenegate. Maria, except for trusting individuals like Boam... for the rest, she's a smart enough woman to sense if something is fishy. That's probably why she didn't want to talk about EchoVoice; it didn't convince her then, and perhaps it still doesn't. The fact remains that it's an openly profit-driven company, so why should I give them my money? There are thousands out there that can meet the requirements and have a rich portfolio of successful, non-failed projects, unlike theirs.
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As someone who has been programming since 1983, I can speak from experience on this issue. Yes many of us have designed, architected and implemented MANY things in use today, FOR FREE. One project for myself that became a success was a CMS I and 7 others developed for free use for the entire internet to be able to create and share information, etc. for FREE. What happened about 10 years into the project at version 8? The code was used for commercial purposes and became the biggest website after the owners allowed a 3rd person in to administer it, he locked the owners out and then demanded 3 billion USD for it's sale with HIS condition that HE remain in charge of it. It has since dwindled into now a place mostly seniors and housewives share pictures, and the owner has since tried to get involved in the 3d platform business unsuccessfully.
What did any of the original creators gain from their ideas and hours of writing the code and implementations? Nothing. No thanks, no acknowledgement and no appreciation. How does that pay the bills? Passion will not pay the bills. However there are way too many uneducated, impotent script-kiddies on the internet who are smart enough to con someone to pay for their work that they probably half ass built and will eventually fail through security flaws or lack of attention to detail, etc.
Of course trust is needed. Of course revenue is needed. Of course demand sparks ingenuity and invention. But the fine line of having it done by passion without payment for sustenance or having it done right with the right support is a fine line. Due dilligence, experience and wisdom matter. Choose wisely.
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What did any of the original creators gain from their ideas and hours of writing the code and implementations? Nothing. No thanks, no acknowledgement and no appreciation. How does that pay the bills? Passion will not pay the bills. However there are way too many uneducated, impotent script-kiddies on the internet who are smart enough to con someone to pay for their work that they probably half ass built and will eventually fail through security flaws or lack of attention to detail, etc.
Of course trust is needed. Of course revenue is needed. Of course demand sparks ingenuity and invention. But the fine line of having it done by passion without payment for sustenance or having it done right with the right support is a fine line. Due dilligence, experience and wisdom matter. Choose wisely.
I don't donate to those who don't build anything and don't demonstrate at least a solid and valid starting point, a well-defined process. Furthermore, I don't want to throw my money at those who have taken it before and wasted it because they never managed to complete a project. Additionally, they continue to tell lies upon lies, such as the claim that RedHat doesn't have a free counterpart, when we know that Fedora Linux exists. The same goes for Suse. So they're lying, knowing they're lying, and this doesn't provide a real choice. A smart person excludes projects from these individuals from the outset. I want to emphasize again the viewer they came up with, a poorly done simple revision of Alchemy Viewer, and they took money for it, only to abandon it. It doesn't seem normal. I would prefer to fund the designers of Alchemy Viewer to bring it back to Opensimulator. I want to pay Ubit, Fred, and others to introduce important features. This is about Opensimulator.
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Of course this is about OS. I agree, alternatives to tools such as browsers are needed. People like Fred, Ubit, etc. have other career or life issues that require more attention. Unless someone is getting paid, the rate things are or will be developed (as in my case) is based necessity or payment. Most will not put an unpaid project ahead of a paid one or paying career. For alot involved in OS, it is a hobby and the rate of production is well below the rate of demand.
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http://infinitemetaverse.com/news-and-events/ima-blog hmmm i think EchoVoice is part of IMA...
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There's a strange persistence in asking for money for a project that actually could be developed differently. This is what I've noticed. Furthermore, it's not true that GNU/Linux is paid; every paid distribution (for the included services) has its free base. Red Hat has Fedora, and so on... So, honestly, I'm not convinced by the argument being made, which is also quite aggressive, trying to persuade people that they have to make a living with that money. I don't like it.
I don't know the history of the Infinite Metaverse Alliance, can you please explain it to me? :) Thank you.
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I don't know the history of the Infinite Metaverse Alliance, can you please explain it to me? :) Thank you.
You can look up the web site here :: http://infinitemetaverse.com/ I repeat my warning, "Do Not Trust These People" and certainly do not pay them any RL$$, unless you are willing to hear one excuse after another on why the project has become delayed, or they need more money. It's a Con.
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