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Schlimme News...
Bad news...
https://www.osgrid.online/news/the-end-of-the-road/
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My only guess is that out of the 135 terabyte ban list they had, they wrongfully accused someone of something, which angered them to an intense desire for revenge fueled by hatred due to the admins inability to listen to reason, that person was framed, lied on, and never given a chance at redemption, so they just put their damn mind to work and destroyed osgrid using it's own weaknesses. I'm just guessing.
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When judgment serves some, destiny will find its balance.
OpenSim is so much bigger than OSGrid alone. There are countless grids, communities, and worlds out there to explore. Honestly, I wonder if things might’ve turned out differently if some of the old admins had stayed.
I just hate to see (any grid) shut down when there’s still a chance to fix things, rebuild, and move forward.
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OpenSim is so much bigger than OSGrid alone. There are countless grids, communities, and worlds out there to explore. Honestly, I wonder if things might’ve turned out differently if some of the old admins had stayed.
I just hate to see (any grid) shut down when there’s still a chance to fix things, rebuild, and move forward.
It should be obvious I had nothing to do with it as I was attacked as well as any fool can plainly see from my previous post.
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Well I run an open sand box, so they came to my grid and rezzed items, not all at once, but one after another. It all got stored in my grid asset server and my drives ran out of space and my grid crashed. So I used sql commands and removed all objects entered after that date. This fixed my inventory and asset server. Then I went and created a new sandbox running on it's own entire standalone hypergrid. I fixed it this way and did link-region x y cyberdatastorm.com SandBox that way people can get to it from my grid. Then I set up scripts to restart the sandbox if it crashes, and if it does crash, to reset it to an empty database. Remember now it's a separate grid with it's own separate database, so i can empty it any time and nothing is lost from my actual grid. IF you have sandboxes on your grid, consider mounting them in a separate standalonehypergrid, so that your grid asset server doesn't get exploited by these bad hackers. Failing to do this opens you to the same attack that happened to me right before osgrid was attacked. Keep in mind they did not just rez a few items but hundreds of gigabytes of objects. It was almost like they created a bot that could rez very fast and delete the items after they rezzed them, thereby only filling up the asset server in a day. Whoever is doing this is very smart. I tried to trace them but they used a vpn, and probably a fake name, fake account, fake everything. So... one grid for your stuff, another grid for your sandboxes. Isolation is key.
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If OSgrid is shutting down permanently, where exactly will the money raised by auction go? "Therefore, instead of a live event, our silent auctions have been moved online and are now live at Zeffy: https://www.zeffy.com/en-US/ticketing/osgrid-incs-silent-a..."
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(EDIT: OK, so noted - It appears to be legit news. )I think this is a hoaks. The URL is NOT osgrid's official URL. There is no mention of it on osgrid.org nor on their Discord channel.
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I don't understand the decision to shut everything down a move that effectively leaves so many people stranded. OSGrid has weathered numerous outages before; planning a comeback after purging corrupted data wouldn't be unprecedented—provided, of course, that most users have backups to get started again... Why rule out that possibility? A relaunch could be an opportunity to bolster the grid's security; users would surely understand the necessary constraints.
I don't mean to downplay the efforts of the team that keeps the grid running almost single-handedly, and the exhaustion following such attacks is understandable. Yet, I can't help but feel there must be another solution before resorting to creating a new "$econd Life" that runs counter to the very spirit of OSGrid!
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I don't mean to downplay the efforts of the team that keeps the grid running almost single-handedly, and the exhaustion following such attacks is understandable. Yet, I can't help but feel there must be another solution before resorting to creating a new "$econd Life" that runs counter to the very spirit of OSGrid!
Because they would expose themselves to further attacks as long they allow uploading IAR's and ORS and connecting simulators to their grid. In the statement they wrote: "The only way to stop these attacks and secure the database would be to close our infrastructure and transition to a closed, commercial model. That move would completely erase the open ethos this grid was originally built upon. "
So you can do either this or close the entire grid. And they choose the 2nd option.
And tbh, I can understand them.
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So you can do either this or close the entire grid. And they choose the 2nd option.
And tbh, I can understand them.
I’ve read their text carefully, but I’m not proposing a restart exactly as it was before; I specifically suggested restarting with constraints on data loading. Other non-commercial grids manage to do this, and data loading can be conditioned in various ways. I understand their position, but it seems to me that not all solutions have been considered—the users deserve another attempt.
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But other grids wouldn't be attacked in this way yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And I don't know a 2nd grid operating at this large scale like OS and allow freely up- and downloading iar's and oar's. Or let you connect your own sims to their service. And even if there is a similar grid, they would think twice now before they choose to be open like OS. And that's the real harm to OpenSim: you're open, then you maybe vulnerable.
Besides this you're right: Whoever did this shall burn. Neither the grid Staff nor the residents have deserved this end.
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And I don't know a 2nd grid operating at this large scale like OS and allow freely up- and downloading iar's and oar's. Or let you connect your own sims to their service. And even if there is a similar grid, they would think twice now before they choose to be open like OS. And that's the real harm to OpenSim: you're open, then you maybe vulnerable.
Besides this you're right: Whoever did this shall burn. Neither the grid Staff nor the residents have deserved this end.
That was my thought today as well. On the one hand, they could "simply" purge and refill the asset server again. It'd be inconvenient, it'd anger the residents, but at least the grid would survive.
On the other hand, the last time they did that, they basically relied on people making IARs and OARs and re-uploading them. The only ones who saved their stuff piece by piece were those who didn't have land of their own and avatars in other grids. And I don't think they'd allow IAR uploads anytime soon even if OSgrid survived. They may even be afraid that IARs saved in OSgrid today will be poisoned, too.
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On the other hand, the last time they did that, they basically relied on people making IARs and OARs and re-uploading them. The only ones who saved their stuff piece by piece were those who didn't have land of their own and avatars in other grids. And I don't think they'd allow IAR uploads anytime soon even if OSgrid survived. They may even be afraid that IARs saved in OSgrid today will be poisoned, too.
Couldn't we consider filtering imports a bit? That was done during last year's major inventory cleanup. Also, I was talking about implementing security constraints—like requiring some form of mandatory signature from those uploading data, and perhaps setting volume limits...
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Yes that is wise. Omg, there is a gnat flying around my computer screen! >:( I hate gnats. I do not even have any bananas! Where do these things come from? HOW are they getting into my house and my computer room??? I'm sick of this crap!
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Thankfully, in the past I only allowed friends to connect to my grid services. Only they could upload IAR independently. I never allowed the other sim renters to do it themselves; I did it myself.
What happened on OsGrid is utterly pathetic. What kind of people do something like that? Envious people or commercial grid-downers who wanted to eliminate free competition? Who knows? In any case, I feel very sorry for the residents. I disabled open registration a while ago. Anyone who wants to join us has to contact me personally.
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What happened on OsGrid is utterly pathetic. What kind of people do something like that? Envious people or commercial grid-downers who wanted to eliminate free competition? Who knows? In any case, I feel very sorry for the residents. I disabled open registration a while ago. Anyone who wants to join us has to contact me personally.
I sincerely hope there'll be a way to save some of the historic sites in OSgrid and keep them alive. For OSgrid is one of the last grids that are old enough for its residents to actually have built their own buildings, their own structures, their own content in general, instead of just resorting to ripped SL stuff.
Wright Plaza, for example, deserves to live on elsewhere, stocked shops and all. Inmidst dozens of freebie sims that are trying to lure as many customers as possible with nothing but freshly ripped SL payware, it's a refreshing alternative full of content that can actually be trusted to be legal and made in and for OpenSim. It offers the last remnants of Lani, of the ArcadiaShop, of Encantada, three great freebie sims full of original content that have perished. Other content has always been exclusive to Wright Plaza.
OSgrid is also home to the last two surviving places from Metropolis, Condensation Land and LibDescent.
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Wright Plaza, for example, deserves to live on elsewhere, stocked shops and all. Inmidst dozens of freebie sims that are trying to lure as many customers as possible with nothing but freshly ripped SL payware, it's a refreshing alternative full of content that can actually be trusted to be legal and made in and for OpenSim. It offers the last remnants of Lani, of the ArcadiaShop, of Encantada, three great freebie sims full of original content that have perished. Other content has always been exclusive to Wright Plaza.
OSgrid is also home to the last two surviving places from Metropolis, Condensation Land and LibDescent.
I imagine some of the smaller grids might gain some weight. It was so sad to see Metropolis go. Where does the test bed for future development go now? I suspect with the current capabilities with machine intelligence, we will have 10 new Opensim forks in the next 5 years. Cheers.
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It's actually a good question where the devs will test their code in the future.
But I can also see new grids pop up, mostly DreamGrids probably, also because those who have to use IARs to move elsewhere will hardly find any grid that accepts OSgrid IARs. And I can see people remembering that they've also got avatars in other grids that they could revive and promote from backup alts or retired former mains to new mains.
Also, of course, many will disappear from OpenSim altogether, especially those who put all their eggs into that one basket, and who are too out of touch with OpenSim news to even know that OSgrid is going to shut down.
I myself am wondering if Juno should join me with a spare avatar in the Wolf Territories, or if we should both try another grid for backup avatars as replacements for those in OSgrid. It'll probably be the former for now.
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But I can also see new grids pop up, mostly DreamGrids probably, also because those who have to use IARs to move elsewhere will hardly find any grid that accepts OSgrid IARs. And I can see people remembering that they've also got avatars in other grids that they could revive and promote from backup alts or retired former mains to new mains.
Also, of course, many will disappear from OpenSim altogether, especially those who put all their eggs into that one basket, and who are too out of touch with OpenSim news to even know that OSgrid is going to shut down.
I myself am wondering if Juno should join me with a spare avatar in the Wolf Territories, or if we should both try another grid for backup avatars as replacements for those in OSgrid. It'll probably be the former for now.
Ding dong The witch is dead.. Ballooned from a 5TB Ban list to 138T ban list and to stupid to figure out why they have been attacked. opensim will move on. Im melting im melting
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My heart goes out to every OSgrid resident who has built a home, created something beautiful, made lifelong friendships, or simply found a place where they belonged. I also want to thank the administrators, developers, and volunteers who gave so much of themselves to keep that dream alive for nearly two decades. To everyone at OSgrid, thank you for being part of our shared history. I hope you will continue creating, exploring, and bringing that wonderful spirit of community wherever your journey takes you next.
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The whole thing is very theatrical—
they're telling us they were poisoned.
Then what was the point of the reboot, the server maintenance, etc.? It was all for nothing. Why don't they name the people they think did it??
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they're telling us they were poisoned.
Then what was the point of the reboot, the server maintenance, etc.? It was all for nothing. Why don't they name the people they think did it??
The incident that caused OSgrid to shut down happened AFTER the asset reset, AFTER the latest maintenance. Very recently. None of the maintenance done on OSgrid in the past could have prevented this.
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there is no doubt going to be many sad people, and some wanting to give up on OpenSim entirely. remember we are a community, and opensim is bigger than any one grid. My heart goes out to everyone effected...
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