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Men's Fashion will soon be arriving to RRD Fashion Exculsives. Can't forget about the boys now can we? ...... Well maybe sometimes......lol....sorry fellas
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By the way: The tracksuits work well on Roth2 v2.
https://opensimworld.com/post/85730
One fewer excuse not to work out... *gulp*
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https://opensimworld.com/post/85730
One fewer excuse not to work out... *gulp*
Well, the menswear ghetto goes both ways. On the one hand, it's said that it isn't worth creating clothes for men. Women need loads of dresses, gowns, shirts, tops, skirts, shorts, jeans, capris, slacks, leggings, jackets, coats, cardigans, shoes, boots and so forth, not to mention jewellery. A man only needs one t-shirt, one pair of jeans, one pair of shoes. Why make what nobody needs? Thus it's often painfully hard to find menswear, much less menswear that actually fits you. (I dare you to check your nearest Clutterfly for a very painful example.)
On the other hand, there's more than a grain of truth in this. Many users actually are like this. Lots of women treat their avatars like dress-up dolls whereas lots of men only put minimal effort into outfitting their avatars and even that only once. Some even say it's easy to tell a "crossplayer" (the avatar's gender is different from the user's) if a male avatar actually looks good and has loads of outfits to choose from or a female avatar always looks the same. So at least in Second Life (where, let's face it, most of our clothes come from), menswear isn't as worth creating as ladies' fashion because it won't sell as well. Add to this that far more fashion designers are women, and especially in OpenSim, they'll design clothes for their own ilk first and foremost and often either completely forget or simply don't bother to make clothes for guys as well.
So, regardless of how well the clothes fit on an individual's body, if at all, it's always almost a wonder to see men's mesh clothes being made in and for OpenSim.
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On the other hand, there's more than a grain of truth in this. Many users actually are like this. Lots of women treat their avatars like dress-up dolls whereas lots of men only put minimal effort into outfitting their avatars and even that only once. Some even say it's easy to tell a "crossplayer" (the avatar's gender is different from the user's) if a male avatar actually looks good and has loads of outfits to choose from or a female avatar always looks the same. So at least in Second Life (where, let's face it, most of our clothes come from), menswear isn't as worth creating as ladies' fashion because it won't sell as well. Add to this that far more fashion designers are women, and especially in OpenSim, they'll design clothes for their own ilk first and foremost and often either completely forget or simply don't bother to make clothes for guys as well.
So, regardless of how well the clothes fit on an individual's body, if at all, it's always almost a wonder to see men's mesh clothes being made in and for OpenSim.
Its a reflection of real life to :). IT would be nice to have a better variety for men and maybe the men should put in a bit more effort in dressing. I reckon we need a fashion show for men, best dress gets a prize :) :).
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I've seen a fashion show with male models. But reduce it to legal content only (which this fashion show was even though all meshes were from SL), and you're doomed. Reduce it to only free content made in and for OpenSim, and it gets even worse, especially if you take what few textured Damien Fate meshes for guys are out there.
Add to this the distribution of mesh bodies. Some 99% of all female avatars with mesh bodies out there are a variant of Athena. Many users don't even know that other female mesh avatars exist. So next to all female clothes are rigged for Athena (those few made in and for OpenSim are either rigged for Athena, rigged for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3, rigged to halfway fit the system body or fitted mesh).
Men don't have that one body that dominates everything. You often don't know if men's clothes are rigged for Adonis (or its SL original) or Apollo (or its SL original). Or maybe Ares (or its SL original). Or Decadence (or its SL original). Or you happen upon something that's rigged for Maes Muscle Man without saying so. Or it's old enough to still be rigged towards the system body. In most cases, you don't know which body a piece of mesh clothing is made for. And what fits one body often barely fits another one, if at all.
I guess this is something else that repels people from making mesh clothes for men: You absolutely have to rig them for multiple bodies to get a sizable target audience. In SL, you can get away with rigging women's mesh clothes only for Maitreya Lara because that'll cover some 90% of the market. The same clothes in OpenSim will cover some 99% of the market. If you rig men's mesh clothes for only one body, you'll end up with a much smaller market coverage in SL. Even in OpenSim, the dominance of Adonis isn't so huge that you can blindly assume nobody uses anything else.
Combine this with the general demand for male and female clothes. You'll have more demand for female clothes for Lara/Athena than you'll have for male clothes for half a dozen different male mesh bodies.
Interestingly, if you disregard SL and only look at bodies and clothes made in and for OpenSim, the situation changes. As for bodies, we're down to the Ruth2 family for female avatars and the Roth2 family for male avatars. On the one hand, we still aren't talking about one mesh shape each. You'd be surprised how different Ruth 2.0 RC#3 and her direct successor Ruth2 v4 are, not to mention Roth 2.0 RC#1 and Roth2 v2.
But on the other hand, there's still quite a dearth of clothes, especially free clothes. It looks the best for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3 that got and still gets clothes made either by idealist hobbyists or by users of these bodies who think that all that comes from SL sucks style-wise. (Thus, we're getting to a point where there are more calf-length skirts for Ruth 2.0 than for Athena.) But considering the general demand for women's fashion, you could always create away as you please and find customers. In the meantime, Ruth2 v4 has to make do with clothes made for her predecessors plus custom-made alpha masks plus a great deal of luck. But it works.
At the same time, there's next to nothing for the whole Roth2 line (except for a few clothes Sean Heavy made for his own RothToo which are so clingy that they only fit this one body). So in general, the demand is about as big as that in Ruth2's case because even the very basics are missing. And there certainly are dressmen whom you won't be able to satisfy with basics, so you could happily continue from there. The advantage of OpenSim is that it doesn't have to pay off, it doesn't matter how many customers you have.
To get back to the original topic, bookend-style: I'd like to see a fashion show in which all models are either Ruth2 v4s or Roth2 v2s just to see what can be done with these bodies clothes-wise already now. (Juno Rowland has entered the chat...)
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Add to this the distribution of mesh bodies. Some 99% of all female avatars with mesh bodies out there are a variant of Athena. Many users don't even know that other female mesh avatars exist. So next to all female clothes are rigged for Athena (those few made in and for OpenSim are either rigged for Athena, rigged for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3, rigged to halfway fit the system body or fitted mesh).
Men don't have that one body that dominates everything. You often don't know if men's clothes are rigged for Adonis (or its SL original) or Apollo (or its SL original). Or maybe Ares (or its SL original). Or Decadence (or its SL original). Or you happen upon something that's rigged for Maes Muscle Man without saying so. Or it's old enough to still be rigged towards the system body. In most cases, you don't know which body a piece of mesh clothing is made for. And what fits one body often barely fits another one, if at all.
I guess this is something else that repels people from making mesh clothes for men: You absolutely have to rig them for multiple bodies to get a sizable target audience. In SL, you can get away with rigging women's mesh clothes only for Maitreya Lara because that'll cover some 90% of the market. The same clothes in OpenSim will cover some 99% of the market. If you rig men's mesh clothes for only one body, you'll end up with a much smaller market coverage in SL. Even in OpenSim, the dominance of Adonis isn't so huge that you can blindly assume nobody uses anything else.
Combine this with the general demand for male and female clothes. You'll have more demand for female clothes for Lara/Athena than you'll have for male clothes for half a dozen different male mesh bodies.
Interestingly, if you disregard SL and only look at bodies and clothes made in and for OpenSim, the situation changes. As for bodies, we're down to the Ruth2 family for female avatars and the Roth2 family for male avatars. On the one hand, we still aren't talking about one mesh shape each. You'd be surprised how different Ruth 2.0 RC#3 and her direct successor Ruth2 v4 are, not to mention Roth 2.0 RC#1 and Roth2 v2.
But on the other hand, there's still quite a dearth of clothes, especially free clothes. It looks the best for Ruth 2.0 RC#2/RC#3 that got and still gets clothes made either by idealist hobbyists or by users of these bodies who think that all that comes from SL sucks style-wise. (Thus, we're getting to a point where there are more calf-length skirts for Ruth 2.0 than for Athena.) But considering the general demand for women's fashion, you could always create away as you please and find customers. In the meantime, Ruth2 v4 has to make do with clothes made for her predecessors plus custom-made alpha masks plus a great deal of luck. But it works.
At the same time, there's next to nothing for the whole Roth2 line (except for a few clothes Sean Heavy made for his own RothToo which are so clingy that they only fit this one body). So in general, the demand is about as big as that in Ruth2's case because even the very basics are missing. And there certainly are dressmen whom you won't be able to satisfy with basics, so you could happily continue from there. The advantage of OpenSim is that it doesn't have to pay off, it doesn't matter how many customers you have.
To get back to the original topic, bookend-style: I'd like to see a fashion show in which all models are either Ruth2 v4s or Roth2 v2s just to see what can be done with these bodies clothes-wise already now. (Juno Rowland has entered the chat...)
I have worked a bit with the RUth body, and had to combine differents bist from different versions to get a somewhat decent body. Roth is way harder to work with
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That's probably because especially Roth2 (Roth 2.0 RC#1, Roth2 v2 etc.) is so much different in shape from all the other mesh bodies. The upper body sits so far back that every last t-shirt made so far, no matter which body it was made for, will clip horribly at the rear collar, and there's a lot of space between the upper chest and mesh tops. The groin area sits so far up front that jeans, trousers, shorts etc. will clip in the lower belly area unless you pick a size so big that the space between the butt and the garment gets ridiculous. You always have to wear them with mesh tops, and you can't even wear open shirts.
Still, Roth2 v2 is good to work with because it can use alpha masks like the system body out-of-the-box. You have to hide the body underneath the clothes, but it's fairly easy because you don't have to hassle around with the HUD and alpha cuts, and you can save your alphas with your outfits with no work-arounds or hacks or payware extensions.
Something else that applies to both Ruth2 and Roth2: Forget using shapes as they are. You can't hope to do as you do with Athena, Adonis & Co. You can't slap a preset shape on your avatar and look like a professional porn star. You have to work with the shape until it looks good. That may be inconvenient to those who want to be done with their avatar within five minutes, but it'll give us more individual-looking avatars instead of everyone and their grandmother using the same three preset shapes.
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Still, Roth2 v2 is good to work with because it can use alpha masks like the system body out-of-the-box. You have to hide the body underneath the clothes, but it's fairly easy because you don't have to hassle around with the HUD and alpha cuts, and you can save your alphas with your outfits with no work-arounds or hacks or payware extensions.
Something else that applies to both Ruth2 and Roth2: Forget using shapes as they are. You can't hope to do as you do with Athena, Adonis & Co. You can't slap a preset shape on your avatar and look like a professional porn star. You have to work with the shape until it looks good. That may be inconvenient to those who want to be done with their avatar within five minutes, but it'll give us more individual-looking avatars instead of everyone and their grandmother using the same three preset shapes.
It is way Different and yes lots of fiddling to get it look sort of decent. Shirts were not too much of an issue on ROth but pants oh boyy! Some of the Athena/Maitreya stuff will work ok on ruth to.
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