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A question has to be posed to the community, in regards to illegal activity, preventions and counter measures.
I am the builder of Amoa Nude Beach. Along with my partner Robin, we created a nude beach region that we donated in appreciation to the amazing generosity of the owners of Barefoot-Dreamers grid. A win-win for both, in which my partner and I who have loved nude beaches since our days on secondlife, could enjoy once again. We have permanently left secondlife and no longer have to endure the abuses committed and performed by visitors or owners of those beach sims, some in a pro-active manner. All because we didn't agree with their opinions. But that is another subject altogether and not part of this discussion. We didn't build this beach for massive traffic influx nor profit. We take NO donations, traffic means nothing to us. But exists, for those that wish to enjoy it. Amoa is a place where everyone can enjoy that wishes, without question.
All that is required is 3 BASIC rules to be observed and adhered to. Human, Nude and Adult.
Measures were taken so that this is clearly prevalent BEFORE even arriving. It is shown AS an adult region. The name itself states NUDE. Our very very limited advertising (Since we do not seek waves of avatars and want to keep it comfortable and not overwhelming) states HUMAN. Simple and easy right?
However, recently it has attracted a daily stream of nothing but naked toddlers, naked pre teens, dragons, Japanamation cartoon children, demons, lumberjacks who stand on the landing fully dressed spraying and praying all females on radar and lastly, women dressed in ball room gowns.
I am not one to eject or ban and usually give plenty of warning, in hopes that all will enjoy our creation in whatever way they wish. Our aspirations have been to provide a little of everything for everyone. However, I have held back from providing some amazing custom creations, because of this recent wave of illogical behavior.
The guys dressed as lumberjacks will never stop. Same old excuse, it's to hard to take clothes off, lag, blah blah. Even when I hypergrid, I can still change to a saved outfit within 1 minute, thus proving this is merely an excuse for them to spray and pray every chick with "How are you?", "hru", "U'r Hot, want Fk?" or some other classic pickup lines like "yo" and "Hi Fk?". Because every chick just melts when a guy says those things to them. Which makes me wonder why each of these girls IM me and ask me to save them with a TP.
Which brings me to the question of this article. Is it complete lack of common sense or just a flagrant arrogant disregard of rules or merely laziness (because reading is so hard and takes too much time to read 3 words) for this increased wave of violating visitors?
I have asked some violators, what did we not do to make it clear enough? I was told that I should extend the title of the region name to include all 3 rules, plus add it to the description (even though it already is stated in description). Flagrant arrogant disregard.
Now I know for a fact there already exists pedophilia regions like Golden Sun that is comprised of mostly senior citizens using toddler avatars trying to convince each other that their mic is broken but they are really 12. Why do they feel the need to visit THIS region that clearly states that pedophilia is NOT tolerated? Which indicates a leaning towards flagrant disregard.
Some known pedophiles have already been banned such as a 70 year old man in Alberta Canada that we know his avatars.
But it all brings me back to the original question. Is it Lack of common sense, Complete flagrant arrogant disregard of rules, or just flat out laziness?
I would love to hear the feedback so I can impersonate Spock and say "Fascinating!. I am sure, enquiring minds would like to know.
I am the builder of Amoa Nude Beach. Along with my partner Robin, we created a nude beach region that we donated in appreciation to the amazing generosity of the owners of Barefoot-Dreamers grid. A win-win for both, in which my partner and I who have loved nude beaches since our days on secondlife, could enjoy once again. We have permanently left secondlife and no longer have to endure the abuses committed and performed by visitors or owners of those beach sims, some in a pro-active manner. All because we didn't agree with their opinions. But that is another subject altogether and not part of this discussion. We didn't build this beach for massive traffic influx nor profit. We take NO donations, traffic means nothing to us. But exists, for those that wish to enjoy it. Amoa is a place where everyone can enjoy that wishes, without question.
All that is required is 3 BASIC rules to be observed and adhered to. Human, Nude and Adult.
Measures were taken so that this is clearly prevalent BEFORE even arriving. It is shown AS an adult region. The name itself states NUDE. Our very very limited advertising (Since we do not seek waves of avatars and want to keep it comfortable and not overwhelming) states HUMAN. Simple and easy right?
However, recently it has attracted a daily stream of nothing but naked toddlers, naked pre teens, dragons, Japanamation cartoon children, demons, lumberjacks who stand on the landing fully dressed spraying and praying all females on radar and lastly, women dressed in ball room gowns.
I am not one to eject or ban and usually give plenty of warning, in hopes that all will enjoy our creation in whatever way they wish. Our aspirations have been to provide a little of everything for everyone. However, I have held back from providing some amazing custom creations, because of this recent wave of illogical behavior.
The guys dressed as lumberjacks will never stop. Same old excuse, it's to hard to take clothes off, lag, blah blah. Even when I hypergrid, I can still change to a saved outfit within 1 minute, thus proving this is merely an excuse for them to spray and pray every chick with "How are you?", "hru", "U'r Hot, want Fk?" or some other classic pickup lines like "yo" and "Hi Fk?". Because every chick just melts when a guy says those things to them. Which makes me wonder why each of these girls IM me and ask me to save them with a TP.
Which brings me to the question of this article. Is it complete lack of common sense or just a flagrant arrogant disregard of rules or merely laziness (because reading is so hard and takes too much time to read 3 words) for this increased wave of violating visitors?
I have asked some violators, what did we not do to make it clear enough? I was told that I should extend the title of the region name to include all 3 rules, plus add it to the description (even though it already is stated in description). Flagrant arrogant disregard.
Now I know for a fact there already exists pedophilia regions like Golden Sun that is comprised of mostly senior citizens using toddler avatars trying to convince each other that their mic is broken but they are really 12. Why do they feel the need to visit THIS region that clearly states that pedophilia is NOT tolerated? Which indicates a leaning towards flagrant disregard.
Some known pedophiles have already been banned such as a 70 year old man in Alberta Canada that we know his avatars.
But it all brings me back to the original question. Is it Lack of common sense, Complete flagrant arrogant disregard of rules, or just flat out laziness?
I would love to hear the feedback so I can impersonate Spock and say "Fascinating!. I am sure, enquiring minds would like to know.
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What if you parceled the region so the landing is public but to actually get to the beach you need a group invite? More hands on management for you I realize but then you can filter out people who are there for any reason other than the intention of your region's theme.
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This reminds me of when I had a roleplay region in SL, we wanted the visitors in character when landing on region so we had a main landing area where they could get into character prior to landing on the rp region. The landing area could be informative as to the region they will soon be visiting and they must get into character prior to arriving.
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That has been an option I considered. Though it is unfair to create 2 hypergrid teleporters just because of having to parcel a seperate parcel.
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In my opinion it's pretty clear: Your house, your rules. Given your sim's feature your rules are more than reasonable.
But even if it weren't, it's still your right to allow or deny access to people according to your parametres.
Perhaps I'm too ban happy, but I don't see any issue banning after one warning, and keep doing it until transgressors gets the message. If it's not fun to even troll people they will stop going, simple as that.
(Also for those persistent ones, Mac Adress + IP works wonders).
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But even if it weren't, it's still your right to allow or deny access to people according to your parametres.
Perhaps I'm too ban happy, but I don't see any issue banning after one warning, and keep doing it until transgressors gets the message. If it's not fun to even troll people they will stop going, simple as that.
(Also for those persistent ones, Mac Adress + IP works wonders).
In my eyes, too, as a region owner (server owner) you can (and sometimes have to) deny people access, but if I look at the number of visitors to this region, it will go to 0 after a ban. Also one should understand slowly (because of teen avatars) USA law is not world law. Children avatars, toddlers have no place in sex regions, I fully agree.
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Yes, I didn't comment on the particulars, I see the kiddy problem as a two faced issue: On the host side it's getting almost hysteric, people bans short avatars or kids avatars for almost no reason.
But, of course, on the visitor side there's absolutely NO reason to use a kid avatar and then jump on every single sex poseball they find, that looks like what Jupiter described: a move dedicated to troll sim owners.
Of course then you have real pedos, those should be reported to the proper authorities, on line repudiation won't fix anything.
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But, of course, on the visitor side there's absolutely NO reason to use a kid avatar and then jump on every single sex poseball they find, that looks like what Jupiter described: a move dedicated to troll sim owners.
Of course then you have real pedos, those should be reported to the proper authorities, on line repudiation won't fix anything.
It isn't so much hysteria as misconfiguration. I guess that height-based childgate considers every avatar shorter than 1.70m a kid.
People either can't be bothered to change that, or script code is just gibberish to them. Or they actually see everyone under 1.70m as underage. Or they see everyone under 1.55m as underage, but they think Second Life's avatar height bug (actual height = height indicated in the shape - 15cm) exists in OpenSim, too.
As OpenSim both lacks the avatar height bug and has a lot of realistically-sized avatars, this misconfiguration leads to a lot of false positives.
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People either can't be bothered to change that, or script code is just gibberish to them. Or they actually see everyone under 1.70m as underage. Or they see everyone under 1.55m as underage, but they think Second Life's avatar height bug (actual height = height indicated in the shape - 15cm) exists in OpenSim, too.
As OpenSim both lacks the avatar height bug and has a lot of realistically-sized avatars, this misconfiguration leads to a lot of false positives.
Always the same.
One thing are those that go, "I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked, but I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked!" They're rather harmless, but still a nuisance. If they see the signs that demand absolute nudity from all visitors, if they even see that there's a technical barrier that keeps dressed avatars out, they should really understand that this is a nude sim, full stop, end of discussion. If they don't want to be naked because they're too prudish and up-tight, then this is not a sim for them.
Trying to circumvent both the sim rules and the technical barrier, for one, is unfair towards those who actually do undress to visit the sim. Granted, most don't have a problem with going nude, but I guess some actually have to gather some courage before they go nude in virtual public for their first time, just because they want to see this sim.
Besides, it's pretty egotistical. "I want to see this sim. I don't want to be naked. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna. Me, me, me, me, me!" Such people obviously don't give a fucking shit for what anyone else thinks or feels. Namely that they ruin everyone's fun on a nude sim by walking around fully clothed. Either that, or they want to ruin everyone's fun out of a combination of anarchism (which in this case means anomism, disobeying all kinds of rules just because they're there) and lust for destruction.
Lastly, it'll indeed ruin another nude sim just like it has ruined so many other nude sims. No matter what "dress code" a nude sim has, whether it's "nude only, no clothes allowed", whether it's "clothing optional, but only swimwear allowed", they all ended up with more than half the visitors fully dressed. Okay, women usually dress in clubwear plus 10cm heels that you can't walk on sand in even if your life depended on it, but they don't have much of a choice. But men walk around fully covered in something that I'd never wear on any beach where it's warm enough to be naked. Black leather jacket, shirt underneath, long jeans and either leather shoes or sneakers.
I mean, it says a lot that you need a technical barrier to at least try and keep dressed avatars out of your nude-only sim. There seemed not to be any other way of keeping dressed people out. Yeah, until they found and shared ways of circumventing your barrier.
Sorry to say, but the only way of keeping your nude beach free from dressed people is by permanently banning all those who cheat themselves onto your sim.
Then, of course, there are the horny playaz. I guess most women who come to your sim and refuse to undress just want to walk around and look at the scenery and decoration. Many men want to walk around and gawk between naked female avatar's legs. And then, like you've already written, there are those. They don't just want to leer at naked women, they want to have sex with them. Full stop.
Of course, they're as fully dressed as I've described above. No, they don't want to do it right there, right then, regardless of the abundance of sex furniture, even if they could get onto the sim. They'd have to strip which they don't want to. Instead, they want to take that naked woman home with them. And no, they won't even take one piece of garment off until just a few seconds before the blowjob (or the foreplay-less fuck). Or they just take their dick out of their jeans.
In order to achieve that, they go dynamite-fishing by IM'ing the same copy-pasted chat-ups at absolutely every female avatar on the entire sim, and they'll probably continue until they catch one. Mind you, the female avatar in question hasn't even seen them yet because they never leave the landing zone. (They can't, they'd have to be naked which would be embarrassing or circumvent the barrier which would be complicated and inconvenient and ruin their outfit.)
These guys can ruin the Amoa experience even further. Women may end up being afraid of coming there because they feel like they WILL be harassed, and Amoa may end up a sausage-fest except for Holi.
Again, this can only be fought with a) a rule and b) enforcing it with bans. Either that, or make the guys believe that every last woman on the sim is lesbian. And people who can zoom from one corner of the sim to the opposite one will sooner or later clearly see this isn't the case.
Lastly, the child avatars. This topic is extremely hot. I think most of them belong to one individual, but not all of them. Now you may say that it doesn't matter because no real children are spoiled because the users behind the child avatars are adults. But the danger is something else.
I don't really like childgates. They're usually configured in such a way that they keep realistically-sized adult avatars out as well. This is because of two misconceptions: 1) Avatars in OpenSim are 15cm shorter than what the shape editor says, just like in Second Life, which is why you always have to adjust your shape 15cm taller than you want to be. (No, they aren't. And no, you don't have to.) 2) All avatars in OpenSim are generally extremely oversized. No adult avatar is under 2m. (Wrong again. OpenSim avatars are increasingly realistically-sized. A typical "2.50m", actually 2.35m Second Life avatar won't blend into OpenSim crowds but stick out as a two-and-a-half-metre giant.)
I think there are smarter childgates that try to go by worn assets rather than shape height. However, they have to be kept up-to-date with new child avatar accessories, and they can easily be circumvented.
However, sims like yours have three choices. One is constant 24/7 moderation that keeps child avatars out manually. Two is a childgate that keeps them out with either lots of especially realistic female adults as by-catch (unless you adjust it according to what I've written) or lots of kids slipping through regardless. Three is naked adult avatars having sex with naked little children (again, with grown-up people behind these child avatars) out in the open on your sim and those who see it blaming you for it.
That said, I'd suspect child avatars running around Amoa not to be the same as those who hang around paedo sims, but purpose-made by prudish, up-tight, wannabe puritan old-timers. People who wage a dirty war against all kinds of "naughty" sims so that the Adult rating can become a privilege for blues sims so that they can keep pesky kiddies off their lawns. But then again, there have been and still are so many other and even more popular sims where the Adult rating is more than justified, and they've never experienced such attacks (and some of them don't even have childgates).
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One thing are those that go, "I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked, but I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked!" They're rather harmless, but still a nuisance. If they see the signs that demand absolute nudity from all visitors, if they even see that there's a technical barrier that keeps dressed avatars out, they should really understand that this is a nude sim, full stop, end of discussion. If they don't want to be naked because they're too prudish and up-tight, then this is not a sim for them.
Trying to circumvent both the sim rules and the technical barrier, for one, is unfair towards those who actually do undress to visit the sim. Granted, most don't have a problem with going nude, but I guess some actually have to gather some courage before they go nude in virtual public for their first time, just because they want to see this sim.
Besides, it's pretty egotistical. "I want to see this sim. I don't want to be naked. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna. Me, me, me, me, me!" Such people obviously don't give a fucking shit for what anyone else thinks or feels. Namely that they ruin everyone's fun on a nude sim by walking around fully clothed. Either that, or they want to ruin everyone's fun out of a combination of anarchism (which in this case means anomism, disobeying all kinds of rules just because they're there) and lust for destruction.
Lastly, it'll indeed ruin another nude sim just like it has ruined so many other nude sims. No matter what "dress code" a nude sim has, whether it's "nude only, no clothes allowed", whether it's "clothing optional, but only swimwear allowed", they all ended up with more than half the visitors fully dressed. Okay, women usually dress in clubwear plus 10cm heels that you can't walk on sand in even if your life depended on it, but they don't have much of a choice. But men walk around fully covered in something that I'd never wear on any beach where it's warm enough to be naked. Black leather jacket, shirt underneath, long jeans and either leather shoes or sneakers.
I mean, it says a lot that you need a technical barrier to at least try and keep dressed avatars out of your nude-only sim. There seemed not to be any other way of keeping dressed people out. Yeah, until they found and shared ways of circumventing your barrier.
Sorry to say, but the only way of keeping your nude beach free from dressed people is by permanently banning all those who cheat themselves onto your sim.
Then, of course, there are the horny playaz. I guess most women who come to your sim and refuse to undress just want to walk around and look at the scenery and decoration. Many men want to walk around and gawk between naked female avatar's legs. And then, like you've already written, there are those. They don't just want to leer at naked women, they want to have sex with them. Full stop.
Of course, they're as fully dressed as I've described above. No, they don't want to do it right there, right then, regardless of the abundance of sex furniture, even if they could get onto the sim. They'd have to strip which they don't want to. Instead, they want to take that naked woman home with them. And no, they won't even take one piece of garment off until just a few seconds before the blowjob (or the foreplay-less fuck). Or they just take their dick out of their jeans.
In order to achieve that, they go dynamite-fishing by IM'ing the same copy-pasted chat-ups at absolutely every female avatar on the entire sim, and they'll probably continue until they catch one. Mind you, the female avatar in question hasn't even seen them yet because they never leave the landing zone. (They can't, they'd have to be naked which would be embarrassing or circumvent the barrier which would be complicated and inconvenient and ruin their outfit.)
These guys can ruin the Amoa experience even further. Women may end up being afraid of coming there because they feel like they WILL be harassed, and Amoa may end up a sausage-fest except for Holi.
Again, this can only be fought with a) a rule and b) enforcing it with bans. Either that, or make the guys believe that every last woman on the sim is lesbian. And people who can zoom from one corner of the sim to the opposite one will sooner or later clearly see this isn't the case.
Lastly, the child avatars. This topic is extremely hot. I think most of them belong to one individual, but not all of them. Now you may say that it doesn't matter because no real children are spoiled because the users behind the child avatars are adults. But the danger is something else.
I don't really like childgates. They're usually configured in such a way that they keep realistically-sized adult avatars out as well. This is because of two misconceptions: 1) Avatars in OpenSim are 15cm shorter than what the shape editor says, just like in Second Life, which is why you always have to adjust your shape 15cm taller than you want to be. (No, they aren't. And no, you don't have to.) 2) All avatars in OpenSim are generally extremely oversized. No adult avatar is under 2m. (Wrong again. OpenSim avatars are increasingly realistically-sized. A typical "2.50m", actually 2.35m Second Life avatar won't blend into OpenSim crowds but stick out as a two-and-a-half-metre giant.)
I think there are smarter childgates that try to go by worn assets rather than shape height. However, they have to be kept up-to-date with new child avatar accessories, and they can easily be circumvented.
However, sims like yours have three choices. One is constant 24/7 moderation that keeps child avatars out manually. Two is a childgate that keeps them out with either lots of especially realistic female adults as by-catch (unless you adjust it according to what I've written) or lots of kids slipping through regardless. Three is naked adult avatars having sex with naked little children (again, with grown-up people behind these child avatars) out in the open on your sim and those who see it blaming you for it.
That said, I'd suspect child avatars running around Amoa not to be the same as those who hang around paedo sims, but purpose-made by prudish, up-tight, wannabe puritan old-timers. People who wage a dirty war against all kinds of "naughty" sims so that the Adult rating can become a privilege for blues sims so that they can keep pesky kiddies off their lawns. But then again, there have been and still are so many other and even more popular sims where the Adult rating is more than justified, and they've never experienced such attacks (and some of them don't even have childgates).
As always, such a well written, perfectly stated description of the situation and potential solutions. I agree, that using a childgate may hamper quite alot of innocent visitors. So until a better solution is devised, manual would have to be the way.
No one faults the occasional visitors who are lagging. Though it is pretty obvious in the name, that being dressed for a ball, isn't the proper attire. Hence the question regarding laziness or lack of common sense. I always inform them after some time and only ban when it becomes apparent they are there to disregard. A good example is completely ignoring IMs and local chat. It seems to be prevalent in these times, that people feel entitled to ignore what they don't like to read or hear. So manners, are long gone. Sorry I still believe in acknowledgements and such words as thank you.
With that said, as well as others opinions, the only current solution is to continue manually. Though the one question was never really answered. Whether or not it is lack of common sense, flagrant disregard of rules or just laziness.
I think you, as well as others, may be right that it is a very small group possibly even just one with the intention of making a region look bad, ruin competition, jealousy or just downright checking to see if rules are enforced.
As for the Puritan types, I would suspect they lack I.Q. to visit such a named place and be so offended. Then again in this day and age, seems like every simpleton is offended by everything that isn't done or exists THEIR way and wants the world to bend and change for them no matter what the consequences. I blame their parents for raising such fragile, delicate and uneducated wastes of oxygen and food resources. Had they been raised right, they wouldn't be going to a place that is already offending them with it's name. Their career is limited to Troublemaker 24-7 and therapy attendee that comes with pampers, puppies and pacifiers along with crates of tissues for their issues so they can cry the seven seas.
Again, i sincerely appreciate such an in depth well thought out response to the situation and the pursuit of a solution Jupiter.
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No one faults the occasional visitors who are lagging. Though it is pretty obvious in the name, that being dressed for a ball, isn't the proper attire. Hence the question regarding laziness or lack of common sense. I always inform them after some time and only ban when it becomes apparent they are there to disregard. A good example is completely ignoring IMs and local chat. It seems to be prevalent in these times, that people feel entitled to ignore what they don't like to read or hear. So manners, are long gone. Sorry I still believe in acknowledgements and such words as thank you.
With that said, as well as others opinions, the only current solution is to continue manually. Though the one question was never really answered. Whether or not it is lack of common sense, flagrant disregard of rules or just laziness.
I think you, as well as others, may be right that it is a very small group possibly even just one with the intention of making a region look bad, ruin competition, jealousy or just downright checking to see if rules are enforced.
As for the Puritan types, I would suspect they lack I.Q. to visit such a named place and be so offended. Then again in this day and age, seems like every simpleton is offended by everything that isn't done or exists THEIR way and wants the world to bend and change for them no matter what the consequences. I blame their parents for raising such fragile, delicate and uneducated wastes of oxygen and food resources. Had they been raised right, they wouldn't be going to a place that is already offending them with it's name. Their career is limited to Troublemaker 24-7 and therapy attendee that comes with pampers, puppies and pacifiers along with crates of tissues for their issues so they can cry the seven seas.
Again, i sincerely appreciate such an in depth well thought out response to the situation and the pursuit of a solution Jupiter.
To try and answer that one question: It depends on the behaviour.
Maybe they try to work around the barrier by wearing a ballgown. Maybe they believe that it's so very unlikely that someone wears something with "gown" in the name, especially on beach sims, that the word "gown" is not on the filter list, thus you won't be expelled for wearing one. The major sign for this is if they've actually tried to breach the barrier in the gown. A minor sign would be female avatars with BoM mesh bodies wearing old layer-plus-flexi-skirt ballgowns designed in the 2000s for the system body rather than the SL imports hanging in every more recent freebie store. The idea behind that would be that it's even less likely that these are on the filter list.
Or maybe it is a combination of laziness and lack of common sense. The kind of female avatar that always wears the same clothes, regardless of the situation. You know, the kind of female avatar that'll soon be seen at least by the dozen running around snow-covered Christmas sims in sandals with 10cm spike heels and sleeveless micro-mini dresses without tights. The female counterpart to the guy who goes to the nude beach in a black leather jacket. They always wear that, they love wearing that, and they can't be bothered to change.
Why a ballgown? Because these avatars refuse to wear these tiny club dresses that seem to make up 50% of all women's fashion SL imports. They don't like super-tight jeans, super-tight leggings and ripped jeans hot pants either. They have yet to find the four SL import boxes with long skirts/dresses that aren't ballgowns. And they will either probably never discover the rare sources for different clothes or, if they do, dislike them, too. So ballgowns as daily wear it is.
This is rather unlikely, though. Women will rarely only make one outfit for their avatars. They're more likely to use them as dress-up dolls, so they would certainly have at least one outfit that's rather fit for the beach. Those who don't like "dressing up" and wear the exact self-same outfit for years are mostly men and a great deal of them. If you see a female avatar always wearing the same clothes everywhere, especially if it's a rather low-effort outfit, it's likely that there's a real-life man behind the avatar.
I could also suspect that they did actually just come from a ball-like event and decided to go check out your sim together because they needed something to do after the ball. But did any such event occur recently, an event that justifies or even requires wearing a ballgown? Besides, if such an event takes place, how many of the women will actually wear a ballgown? 30% 40% maybe? That makes it even more unlikely that a 100% ballgown-wearing group comes from such an event.
But ignorance has always played a key role in occurrences on sims that allow, encourage or even require nudity. Typical situation on Stark Islands, especially past 13:00 grid time: An avatar arrives at a Stark party for the first time. Stays there and waits for everyone's clothes to rez. Not easy with 10-20 avatars around. Notices that it takes longer than usual for attachments on certain avatars to rez. Realises that there aren't, in fact, any attachments that'd have to rez on these avatars, and that these avatars are actually naked. In public. At a party, even, amongst other avatars. Leaves without saying a word, deeply disturbed and disgusted.
The Adult rating was originally created as a warning for prudish visitors that they may encounter fully nude avatars, if not even public sexual activity in a given place. It may still work as such in Second Life, but it either does no longer in OpenSim or has never done so in the first place. People have gotten used to Adult only meaning no kids allowed, even if it's on a perfectly clean sim that'd get away with a General rating, but the sim owner hates kids. And lots of grids actually allow for weakening the Adult rating to the point where all its liberties over Moderate or even General are taken away, and only the "no children" limitation is left. No wonder many people don't expect Adult things on Adult sims anymore and will protest against them.
However, it's even worse than that. You can plaster words like "nude" or "naked" all over your sim's advertisements and its name. People either can't be bothered to read that, even if it's in the sim's name. Or they believe, it's only a name or something to spice up the description, literally nobody ever obeys dress codes in OpenSim anyway, and especially, nobody really ever gets naked in public in OpenSim, no matter where. Or both. And then you've got prudish and up-tight people entering a no-clothes-allowed-whatsoever nude beach (complete with signs on all entrances in-world), fully dressed in their streetwear, of course, and then freaking out over the sight of one naked avatar.
I still expect someone to sooner or later downrate a nude sim and write a scathing review in which they loudly complain about the naked avatars. Either they'd clearly show that they haven't even read the sim's name (evident if they demand the sim owners do something against all the naked avatars), or they'd be surprised that people actually DO go naked there.
I tend to believe that the only way of keeping people out who are both prudish and dumb is by naming a sim something with "BDSM" in it. But then you'll have to deliver, otherwise the BDSM fetishists will complain that the sim has got nothing to do with BDSM. This may be the reason why not exactly few Adult sims are BDSM-themed: Adult rating and Adult category in combination with "nude", "naked" and even "sex" in the name don't drive prudes away because they don't think any of this actually occurs on the sim.
So I believe the nudity barrier at Amoa serves well against those ignorants who don't even read sim names before teleporting there or who think it's just a name, and neither the name nor the description (if they've read it, that is) are backed by anything. They'd otherwise happily stride around the entire sim in streetwear, completely unaware that this IS actually a nude sim. Getting teleported back to the landing repeatedly when trying to enter the sim should get them to a) read the sim's name, b) read its description and/or the huge sign at the landing, c) accept it as a matter of fact and d) act accordingly.
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Maybe they try to work around the barrier by wearing a ballgown. Maybe they believe that it's so very unlikely that someone wears something with "gown" in the name, especially on beach sims, that the word "gown" is not on the filter list, thus you won't be expelled for wearing one. The major sign for this is if they've actually tried to breach the barrier in the gown. A minor sign would be female avatars with BoM mesh bodies wearing old layer-plus-flexi-skirt ballgowns designed in the 2000s for the system body rather than the SL imports hanging in every more recent freebie store. The idea behind that would be that it's even less likely that these are on the filter list.
Or maybe it is a combination of laziness and lack of common sense. The kind of female avatar that always wears the same clothes, regardless of the situation. You know, the kind of female avatar that'll soon be seen at least by the dozen running around snow-covered Christmas sims in sandals with 10cm spike heels and sleeveless micro-mini dresses without tights. The female counterpart to the guy who goes to the nude beach in a black leather jacket. They always wear that, they love wearing that, and they can't be bothered to change.
Why a ballgown? Because these avatars refuse to wear these tiny club dresses that seem to make up 50% of all women's fashion SL imports. They don't like super-tight jeans, super-tight leggings and ripped jeans hot pants either. They have yet to find the four SL import boxes with long skirts/dresses that aren't ballgowns. And they will either probably never discover the rare sources for different clothes or, if they do, dislike them, too. So ballgowns as daily wear it is.
This is rather unlikely, though. Women will rarely only make one outfit for their avatars. They're more likely to use them as dress-up dolls, so they would certainly have at least one outfit that's rather fit for the beach. Those who don't like "dressing up" and wear the exact self-same outfit for years are mostly men and a great deal of them. If you see a female avatar always wearing the same clothes everywhere, especially if it's a rather low-effort outfit, it's likely that there's a real-life man behind the avatar.
I could also suspect that they did actually just come from a ball-like event and decided to go check out your sim together because they needed something to do after the ball. But did any such event occur recently, an event that justifies or even requires wearing a ballgown? Besides, if such an event takes place, how many of the women will actually wear a ballgown? 30% 40% maybe? That makes it even more unlikely that a 100% ballgown-wearing group comes from such an event.
But ignorance has always played a key role in occurrences on sims that allow, encourage or even require nudity. Typical situation on Stark Islands, especially past 13:00 grid time: An avatar arrives at a Stark party for the first time. Stays there and waits for everyone's clothes to rez. Not easy with 10-20 avatars around. Notices that it takes longer than usual for attachments on certain avatars to rez. Realises that there aren't, in fact, any attachments that'd have to rez on these avatars, and that these avatars are actually naked. In public. At a party, even, amongst other avatars. Leaves without saying a word, deeply disturbed and disgusted.
The Adult rating was originally created as a warning for prudish visitors that they may encounter fully nude avatars, if not even public sexual activity in a given place. It may still work as such in Second Life, but it either does no longer in OpenSim or has never done so in the first place. People have gotten used to Adult only meaning no kids allowed, even if it's on a perfectly clean sim that'd get away with a General rating, but the sim owner hates kids. And lots of grids actually allow for weakening the Adult rating to the point where all its liberties over Moderate or even General are taken away, and only the "no children" limitation is left. No wonder many people don't expect Adult things on Adult sims anymore and will protest against them.
However, it's even worse than that. You can plaster words like "nude" or "naked" all over your sim's advertisements and its name. People either can't be bothered to read that, even if it's in the sim's name. Or they believe, it's only a name or something to spice up the description, literally nobody ever obeys dress codes in OpenSim anyway, and especially, nobody really ever gets naked in public in OpenSim, no matter where. Or both. And then you've got prudish and up-tight people entering a no-clothes-allowed-whatsoever nude beach (complete with signs on all entrances in-world), fully dressed in their streetwear, of course, and then freaking out over the sight of one naked avatar.
I still expect someone to sooner or later downrate a nude sim and write a scathing review in which they loudly complain about the naked avatars. Either they'd clearly show that they haven't even read the sim's name (evident if they demand the sim owners do something against all the naked avatars), or they'd be surprised that people actually DO go naked there.
I tend to believe that the only way of keeping people out who are both prudish and dumb is by naming a sim something with "BDSM" in it. But then you'll have to deliver, otherwise the BDSM fetishists will complain that the sim has got nothing to do with BDSM. This may be the reason why not exactly few Adult sims are BDSM-themed: Adult rating and Adult category in combination with "nude", "naked" and even "sex" in the name don't drive prudes away because they don't think any of this actually occurs on the sim.
So I believe the nudity barrier at Amoa serves well against those ignorants who don't even read sim names before teleporting there or who think it's just a name, and neither the name nor the description (if they've read it, that is) are backed by anything. They'd otherwise happily stride around the entire sim in streetwear, completely unaware that this IS actually a nude sim. Getting teleported back to the landing repeatedly when trying to enter the sim should get them to a) read the sim's name, b) read its description and/or the huge sign at the landing, c) accept it as a matter of fact and d) act accordingly.
I came I hopped I took photos, I hopped and outlawed, people come I vanished leaving my pictures behind. Seriously you are too gentle on these people do as I do, IM, you are a child avi yes, Ok then Bye your banned , and boot them from the sim. 'simples' suprised Robin not doing the same lol
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Besides, the standard paedo kiddie is extremely easy to spot. The user behind them never types his IM messages but always copy-pastes the same ones. First the girl (always a girl) "waves" at you, then she asks you how you "is", then, if you react, she says her parent's aren't there and invites you to come over.
Always.
This alone helped me initiate, I guess, a dozen bans already, if not more, on various grids. This plus the user's complete ignorance about whom he had already tried to talk up.
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Always.
This alone helped me initiate, I guess, a dozen bans already, if not more, on various grids. This plus the user's complete ignorance about whom he had already tried to talk up.
Another common sign is the all too common "Giggles". No chick ever says "giggles" that is a dude assuming chicks say that and would be convinced that it's really a 12 yo girl when it really is a 70 year old decrepit, senile, senior citizen with snow covered prunes dangling.
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Me too!! I can't say I really LIKE the word, but I'm at a loss for any suitably short alternatives. "LOL" has a sorta bawdy, uncultured sound to it. And "smiles" is just a totally different reaction altogether. "Chuckles" I suppose COULD work, but when I hear that, I always think of 'Chuckles the Clown', so that one is out. SO, a giggler I shall remain until someone can provide me with an acceptable replacement! :)
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Agreed 100%. Stevie, you are a tough cookie and glad to know you don't tolerate this crap. So far, banning on landing is the current method and option. Though, in the works, as some have suggested, rings of fire, dropping shipping containers from 300m up that are physical as well as encased in a cylinder and blasted into orbit with booster rockets (Like i did in SL) is in the works. If they want to play with each others crusty old prunes (Since they are mostly 70 year old decrepid Joe Bidens) they should stay on Golden Sun where the sun always shines on their bald heads.
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There is a small group of people that have at least 50 alts each, and they thrive on annoying you. That's all it is. Ban them.
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