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Will it be the beginning of the end?
What will the investigations of the federal police or the authorities responsible for oversight find?
Will Linden Lab's partners distance themselves if the platform's structural issues regarding minor avatars and sex are confirmed?
If Amazon were to revoke their server access due to such violations?
Will Second Life survive with limited funds and few users (those psychologically subservient)?
In Europe, if the matter is taken seriously (and it is a serious matter), will we still be allowed to access Second Life?
If specific regulations are applied in Europe and worldwide to control this type of metaverse (SL-Like), will it spell the end for many Opensimulator grids?
But above all, will Opensimulator suffer?
https://community.secondlife.com/blogs/entry/15229-officia...
What will the investigations of the federal police or the authorities responsible for oversight find?
Will Linden Lab's partners distance themselves if the platform's structural issues regarding minor avatars and sex are confirmed?
If Amazon were to revoke their server access due to such violations?
Will Second Life survive with limited funds and few users (those psychologically subservient)?
In Europe, if the matter is taken seriously (and it is a serious matter), will we still be allowed to access Second Life?
If specific regulations are applied in Europe and worldwide to control this type of metaverse (SL-Like), will it spell the end for many Opensimulator grids?
But above all, will Opensimulator suffer?
https://community.secondlife.com/blogs/entry/15229-officia...
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Heh. Guess what Glenn? My facts are on the money.
**"Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P"**
No, I did not mean "Phil", I meant Patch. If I meant Phil, I would have said Phil. If you have read the now pulled article or knew who was overseeing the SL wing of LL, then you should be able to grasp that.
Also, not a liberal by any means. I am a Reagan Republican from a deep red state. I just have some common sense and don't see political conspiracies attached to every mundane issue. So that makes you 0-2 in the assumption department.
Now lets look at what we DO agree on. We both agree that LL and specifically the SL wing has been grossly mismanaged, and we also seem to agree that their policies have been abused more than once by their team for no good reason than to settle some scores or silence people who do not agree with them.
Where we diverge is the notion or hope that there will be some sort of huge damage suffered by LL over what is slowly amounting to a really bad HR issue. Some people are going to get fired, if they have not already. That and about 3,000 more words to the SL TOS will likely be the end of it. Also, it is pretty weak sauce to complain about LL doing something and then turning around and doing the exact same thing, but you do you.
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**"Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P"**
No, I did not mean "Phil", I meant Patch. If I meant Phil, I would have said Phil. If you have read the now pulled article or knew who was overseeing the SL wing of LL, then you should be able to grasp that.
Also, not a liberal by any means. I am a Reagan Republican from a deep red state. I just have some common sense and don't see political conspiracies attached to every mundane issue. So that makes you 0-2 in the assumption department.
Now lets look at what we DO agree on. We both agree that LL and specifically the SL wing has been grossly mismanaged, and we also seem to agree that their policies have been abused more than once by their team for no good reason than to settle some scores or silence people who do not agree with them.
Where we diverge is the notion or hope that there will be some sort of huge damage suffered by LL over what is slowly amounting to a really bad HR issue. Some people are going to get fired, if they have not already. That and about 3,000 more words to the SL TOS will likely be the end of it. Also, it is pretty weak sauce to complain about LL doing something and then turning around and doing the exact same thing, but you do you.
I don't know about the damage aspect. I still believe it could be pretty significant for LL, or it could end up being a nothingburger.
Consider that Tilia is a valuable property in and of itself ... will it's reputation be harmed by 'association' with an organisation which is experiencing some really bad PR on a very hot-button topic? That has to be a big worry for the powers that be in (and above) LL.
I've had several communications from shops discussing getting rid of Caspervend, one of them as recently as 4 days ago ... so it appears that concern hasn't died down. And if that IS still a topic of enough significance still, then I have to wonder what other discussions are going on in SL at the moment. I don't know if it's just going to go away.
The other issue is the (non) statement from LL. On the various forums that are discussing this issue, the overwhelming sentiment is that Oberwager's statement was without any meaningful content, and many are taking that to mean that LL are trying to cover up the whole problem, and sweep it under the table.
Add the fact that the original article might have been taken down, but the archives at https://archive.is/https://medium.com/@dantesedmond1844/th... aren't going anywhere.
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Consider that Tilia is a valuable property in and of itself ... will it's reputation be harmed by 'association' with an organisation which is experiencing some really bad PR on a very hot-button topic? That has to be a big worry for the powers that be in (and above) LL.
I've had several communications from shops discussing getting rid of Caspervend, one of them as recently as 4 days ago ... so it appears that concern hasn't died down. And if that IS still a topic of enough significance still, then I have to wonder what other discussions are going on in SL at the moment. I don't know if it's just going to go away.
The other issue is the (non) statement from LL. On the various forums that are discussing this issue, the overwhelming sentiment is that Oberwager's statement was without any meaningful content, and many are taking that to mean that LL are trying to cover up the whole problem, and sweep it under the table.
Add the fact that the original article might have been taken down, but the archives at https://archive.is/https://medium.com/@dantesedmond1844/th... aren't going anywhere.
Interesting that you brought up Caspervend. They seem to have suffered the most damage of anyone (that we know of) due to the original article, and I agree that could be a big "in-world" issue. That should be concerning because any link between them and all the claims being made are pretty vague and not corroborated by anything.
Tilla itself will be largely unaffected by any of this. It is pretty well inoculated from the SL wing at LL, largely because it is required to be by law. Linden Lab is a Tier 1 financial institution, and it i supported by JP Morgan. 70% of its office is focused on Tillia. Anything I have read suggests there is a staff of 10-15 people who actually deal with SL on a daily basis. It mainly runs on auto-pilot, which is probably what results in this big problem and many more issues that others have mentioned on this thread. If you have ever called to try to get help at LL you understand a lot of the problem.
And yes, the internet being what it is, the article will NEVER vanish, but the fact that Medium felt there was enough problem with it to pull should speak volumes. And no, there is no confirmation that it was written by a current or former employee at LL.
Here is one of the best posts i have been following on all this. The author is no LL cheerleader, but he points out the serious flaws in the original claim and points to why a lot of these claims are probably not actionable.
https://3dblogger.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2024/02/is-t...
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Tilla itself will be largely unaffected by any of this. It is pretty well inoculated from the SL wing at LL, largely because it is required to be by law. Linden Lab is a Tier 1 financial institution, and it i supported by JP Morgan. 70% of its office is focused on Tillia. Anything I have read suggests there is a staff of 10-15 people who actually deal with SL on a daily basis. It mainly runs on auto-pilot, which is probably what results in this big problem and many more issues that others have mentioned on this thread. If you have ever called to try to get help at LL you understand a lot of the problem.
And yes, the internet being what it is, the article will NEVER vanish, but the fact that Medium felt there was enough problem with it to pull should speak volumes. And no, there is no confirmation that it was written by a current or former employee at LL.
Here is one of the best posts i have been following on all this. The author is no LL cheerleader, but he points out the serious flaws in the original claim and points to why a lot of these claims are probably not actionable.
https://3dblogger.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2024/02/is-t...
I think the biggest issue is that of public perception. A financial institution is going to find itself in dire straights if the public believe that it is facilitating the kind of thing we're talking about. It doesn't matter if it actually is ... because public perception isn't always based on fact, but on what the headlines told them. We only have to look at the amount of outright lies that the media have regularly promulgated in the past decade to see that in action. We live in a time when clickbait and misinformation is the primary methodology of much (most) of the mainstream media, and much of the public have the attention spans of goldfish and can't be bothered reading the article to get the actual facts. I've done it myself, as have we all.
So if Tilia see that the rumours are spreading, they may well feel that they need to bail on SL. Whether that is justifiable by the facts isn't relevant ... we've seen that companies have little fortitude these days and will bend the knee to pressure at the drop of a hat. We saw with the Bud Light fiasco that a brand can be decimated if the right focus is found to cause the public to turn on that brand. And that was just beer. Imagine if someone could trigger a mass campaign which convinced the public that SL is a hotbed of Child Pornography? Tilia would be gone like a shot. I'm not saying it SHOULD happen, or WOULD happen, I'm saying that it's possible and if the owners of Tilia haven't thought about it, they are idiots.
Medium jerking the article isn't necessarily the win that people seem to think it is. I've seen, in-world, several discussion on the topic and the general consensus is that Medium aren't as balanced as they claim to be and would easily have caved to pressure from someone with sufficient influence, especially given that their staff seem to share the same political views espoused by LL. In fact Medium removing the article is seen as more evidence that LL couldn't disprove the allegations. Remember what I said about public perception ... what the reality is doesn't necessarily matter.
And we come to the biggest issue of them all ... if the claims are actionable. As I noted above ... public perception is all that counts in these cases. Anyone who's paying attention to the news out of the US should be well aware that a very large percentage of the population believe that justice has been corrupted and perverted for decades now. I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but again ... those people aren't going to care in the least if some DA in California announces that there was no evidence to back up the claims.
And that comes back to my first post on this thread: LL had ample time to dig out proof that the entire article was a complete fabrication ... and their only response has been a fluff piece which didn't answer any questions and gives the appearance of a cover up. Whether or not that means that LL ARE covering up is irrelevant ... the only meaningful way to deal with this would be to offer absolute proof that the entire article was bogus.
Personally I think LL are banking on the public having a short attention span, and are hoping that this all goes away.
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So if Tilia see that the rumours are spreading, they may well feel that they need to bail on SL. Whether that is justifiable by the facts isn't relevant ... we've seen that companies have little fortitude these days and will bend the knee to pressure at the drop of a hat. We saw with the Bud Light fiasco that a brand can be decimated if the right focus is found to cause the public to turn on that brand. And that was just beer. Imagine if someone could trigger a mass campaign which convinced the public that SL is a hotbed of Child Pornography? Tilia would be gone like a shot. I'm not saying it SHOULD happen, or WOULD happen, I'm saying that it's possible and if the owners of Tilia haven't thought about it, they are idiots.
Medium jerking the article isn't necessarily the win that people seem to think it is. I've seen, in-world, several discussion on the topic and the general consensus is that Medium aren't as balanced as they claim to be and would easily have caved to pressure from someone with sufficient influence, especially given that their staff seem to share the same political views espoused by LL. In fact Medium removing the article is seen as more evidence that LL couldn't disprove the allegations. Remember what I said about public perception ... what the reality is doesn't necessarily matter.
And we come to the biggest issue of them all ... if the claims are actionable. As I noted above ... public perception is all that counts in these cases. Anyone who's paying attention to the news out of the US should be well aware that a very large percentage of the population believe that justice has been corrupted and perverted for decades now. I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but again ... those people aren't going to care in the least if some DA in California announces that there was no evidence to back up the claims.
And that comes back to my first post on this thread: LL had ample time to dig out proof that the entire article was a complete fabrication ... and their only response has been a fluff piece which didn't answer any questions and gives the appearance of a cover up. Whether or not that means that LL ARE covering up is irrelevant ... the only meaningful way to deal with this would be to offer absolute proof that the entire article was bogus.
Personally I think LL are banking on the public having a short attention span, and are hoping that this all goes away.
Good points, and I agree with some of them, but you have to remember that, outside the small minuscule percent of the population that inhabits SL and OS, the "public perception" is completely non-existent. (If you have ever tried to explain OS or SL to a stranger who has never heard of it, you know what I mean.) Sure, it is very big news to us, but for 99.7% of the media and the public, this story does not even exist. I shared your shame concerns at the start. When a few posts on social media picked up the story, I figured it would catch some attention. It didn't. I would not define Medium pulling the article as a "win" or a "loss" but they do not pull things lightly. So the fact that they did point to a lot of what the Typepad article i posted posted alludes too - that while there are many sordid allegations in the Medium article, there was very little in the way of proof. there was no claim at all of criminal behavior. Gross behavior, yes. Hypocrisy on the part of Patch Linden, yes. Workplace harassment, yes. (the most serious and provable claim IMO) Criminal behavior, no. The use of a fake identity to post the article also probably called the motives of the author into question. The tepid, boilerplate statement from LL was sad, but probably exactly what they needed to do business-wise. With the original claims now archived, this issue will fade fast and be of interest only to those of us who spend a lot of time in these virtual worlds. That is not many in the overall population.
Now, let me play Devil's advocate for a minute. What if, and this is very possible, the original article was total BS? A hit job by a disgruntled resident Patch banned, or a former LL employee that may have felt Patch's rath at work? Unlikely and I think it is a HARD stretch to say that Patch is not guilty of SOMETHING", but what about everyone else named in that article? None of whom were directly tied to anything illegal or a even in some cases a violation of LL rules. With LL being so vague in their response, would these people ever have the cloud lifted over their name? Probably unlikely, but something we should all think about. The fact that this incident is not gaining much public attention might be a good thing for now.
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Now, let me play Devil's advocate for a minute. What if, and this is very possible, the original article was total BS? A hit job by a disgruntled resident Patch banned, or a former LL employee that may have felt Patch's rath at work? Unlikely and I think it is a HARD stretch to say that Patch is not guilty of SOMETHING", but what about everyone else named in that article? None of whom were directly tied to anything illegal or a even in some cases a violation of LL rules. With LL being so vague in their response, would these people ever have the cloud lifted over their name? Probably unlikely, but something we should all think about. The fact that this incident is not gaining much public attention might be a good thing for now.
I'm more concerned about some grifter (there are many, on both sides of politics) with a big audience suddenly 'discovering' it and blowing it up. We recently saw gaming blow up into a big issue with the Sweet Baby Inc thing, and it's attracted the attention of people who typically scorn gaming.
The professional politicians (again on both sides) love to have something they can bloviate about to distract the population from more serious matters. We have to remember that gaming is now bigger than the movie industry in financial terms, and incorrectly, SL/OSG falls under the category of gaming. We're going to see more and more 'pundits' who formerly ignored gaming weighing in on the topics I think.
As to the validity of the claims ... I think there's definitely been some TOS violations if nothing else. Regardless of that however, I have no real opinion other than the fact that LL could have (and would have) been able to issue a definitive "there's no basis for any of these claims" if the article was entirely bogus.
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The professional politicians (again on both sides) love to have something they can bloviate about to distract the population from more serious matters. We have to remember that gaming is now bigger than the movie industry in financial terms, and incorrectly, SL/OSG falls under the category of gaming. We're going to see more and more 'pundits' who formerly ignored gaming weighing in on the topics I think.
As to the validity of the claims ... I think there's definitely been some TOS violations if nothing else. Regardless of that however, I have no real opinion other than the fact that LL could have (and would have) been able to issue a definitive "there's no basis for any of these claims" if the article was entirely bogus.
Agreed Vicki. As a corporate owner as well, I realized that even bad news was great for publicity. But when it is toxic and serious, it needs to be immediately addressed, handled and rectified. Speed and finesse is the key to the outcome. In LL's situation, they let the wound fester and it's now gangrene.
Tilla, being a larger company will run for the hills if they can. Caspervend will probably fade into the wind.
As I said earlier, Oberwager is an idiot. He hired some hippy dippy "lawyer" who doesn't have any work anymore since San Fagcisco defunded the police and the few cops left are just hanging around to collect a paycheck, but not enforcing laws. That "Lawyer" took time in between bong hits, to write a tin can, horseshit and sauerkraut statement for the quick pay. Oberwager, being a complete simpleton that might know Finance with his Bezerkley diploma, but lacks in the reading comprehension dept. thinks he is good as gold and this will all pass.
Nah, the proof provided by the ex employee, well written, evidenciary images, confirmed details covering all angles based on any defense will sink LL. They can pull all of the Libtard tricks of a criminal being caught all they want, it still exists on the internet. They cannot bury or hide it. They can try all the denial and gas lighting tactics of saying that YOU are the Pedo and not them, It won't work. Intelligent people know the truth. I have witnessed it in SL, I know just about everyone in SL has too. LL is going to burn to the ground in the business world. So much so, a national holiday should be established up that completion.
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Let me finish this off by stating, all I just said is not a "Rant"as Libtards like to claim anything they disagree with as being, or the non existent "Hate" speech. There is no such thing other than saying "I HATE you". So just in case some blocked turds want to create alt accounts to jump in with their less than 140 characters of idiocy to reply to it. And that is my disclaimer up front.
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Tilla, being a larger company will run for the hills if they can. Caspervend will probably fade into the wind.
As I said earlier, Oberwager is an idiot. He hired some hippy dippy "lawyer" who doesn't have any work anymore since San Fagcisco defunded the police and the few cops left are just hanging around to collect a paycheck, but not enforcing laws. That "Lawyer" took time in between bong hits, to write a tin can, horseshit and sauerkraut statement for the quick pay. Oberwager, being a complete simpleton that might know Finance with his Bezerkley diploma, but lacks in the reading comprehension dept. thinks he is good as gold and this will all pass.
Nah, the proof provided by the ex employee, well written, evidenciary images, confirmed details covering all angles based on any defense will sink LL. They can pull all of the Libtard tricks of a criminal being caught all they want, it still exists on the internet. They cannot bury or hide it. They can try all the denial and gas lighting tactics of saying that YOU are the Pedo and not them, It won't work. Intelligent people know the truth. I have witnessed it in SL, I know just about everyone in SL has too. LL is going to burn to the ground in the business world. So much so, a national holiday should be established up that completion.
P.S.
Let me finish this off by stating, all I just said is not a "Rant"as Libtards like to claim anything they disagree with as being, or the non existent "Hate" speech. There is no such thing other than saying "I HATE you". So just in case some blocked turds want to create alt accounts to jump in with their less than 140 characters of idiocy to reply to it. And that is my disclaimer up front.
Guess what folks, you're all ignoring the very simple truth, that, we're all in this opensim/virtual life thing, together. Regardless of your viewpoint on the SecondLife ongoing investigations, or peoples viewpoints on child sexual exploitation and/or pedophilia.
It's pretty apparent, that opensim and virtual life is a rapidly diminishing resource.
I'm not in SecondLife, so can't really comment with any authority on that. I am in OpenSim, and have been for a while. My experiences and perceptions may differ from yours. I've found, historically, those pillars of virtual society, you feel you should trust, you may think twice about. Whereas someone you meet, at random, almost and spends a few hours of their time to help you, that some brand as a pedophile, their most likely not (disclaimer - I work, daily in rl with over 12 hundred children and am specifically trained to be aware of dangers, such as that).
Wise up, folks, be the change, that you want to see in virtual, don't encourage exclusivity, encourage inclusivity. It's not about equality its about equity. You may want to Google some of those terms :)
There's more here that unites us, than divides us. As, united we stand, but divided, we fall.
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It's pretty apparent, that opensim and virtual life is a rapidly diminishing resource.
I'm not in SecondLife, so can't really comment with any authority on that. I am in OpenSim, and have been for a while. My experiences and perceptions may differ from yours. I've found, historically, those pillars of virtual society, you feel you should trust, you may think twice about. Whereas someone you meet, at random, almost and spends a few hours of their time to help you, that some brand as a pedophile, their most likely not (disclaimer - I work, daily in rl with over 12 hundred children and am specifically trained to be aware of dangers, such as that).
Wise up, folks, be the change, that you want to see in virtual, don't encourage exclusivity, encourage inclusivity. It's not about equality its about equity. You may want to Google some of those terms :)
There's more here that unites us, than divides us. As, united we stand, but divided, we fall.
Very true Snik. Wise words. These worlds should be growing, and not a diminishing resource. Wishing for the destruction of something is the wrong way to go. And it is always good to be a bit skeptical about those "pillars" and just use your own two eyes and the common sense that hopefully exists between our two ears.
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Very good words and wishes, however this is what it WAS like before 2016. The days of civilized debate, for the purpose of progress and good common cause, is long gone. SecondLife is a poster child example of the digression of society, common sense and decency and above all, progress. Banning and cancel culturing people who you didn't agree with, caused them to lose the many minds and money that initially helped propel them. Left behind was a bunch of uneducated sniveling whiners calling everything racist, phobic, etc. and without any revenue. But they sure had a fun time patting themselves on the back for laughs.
All of the friends I made there, I stay in touch with mostly. We still wish Merry Christmas etc. and pass along info through other friends. All that is different is, we do not meet on SL anymore. One stayed behind for a while because she wasn't American. She recently told me how boring it got, and rarely logs in there now. So there ya go as far as the Libtards succeeding in their politically driven mission of banning someone that liked mean tweets but had a better life.
As for Google, I Google NOTHING. Recent developments have finally proven what we said for years, but were told to wear a tin foil hat for and labeled a conspiracy theorist, that Google was BIASED. Yes their AI now thinks, George Washington was black like George Jefferson, and that Thomas Jefferson was a Black chick in Independence Hall in 1776! Seriously WTF? I was glad to see that last week, Google is being sued AGAIN for biasness and I do hope that Alphabet Inc. burns to the ground with it's brain damaged employees as well as other woketard companies like GoDaddy, Facebook Meta, Tyson Foods, Quaker Oats, etc. Gog woke, go broke good riddance.
Where do I do searches? Swisscows.com or DuckDuckGo.com why is GGD second? They donated money to that idiot organization BLM which stands for Buy Large Mansions.
Lincoln the Republican said, a House divided cannot stand. This country is headed for a Civil War in November. We are beyond mutual respect and civility and the weaponized alphabet agencies are just inciting it more and more. What may alleviate this possibility? Companies like Libtard Labs being thrown into the Garbage can where it belongs and a new era evolving. That is what it will take to reach the Utopia dreams you seek.
I have to assume you are a teacher based on RL work. Well, your Union is massively to blame for this current situation in this country by masking kids over a fake Kung Flu hoax designed specifically to enhance mail-in ballots. Your union sacrificed a whole generation because they didn't like mean tweets. Your union subjected the world to a whole generation that is indoctrinated with immaturity, incorrectness, self loathing, false guilt, self righteousness and 100% mentally challenged and emotionally disturbed. The end result, is what you see in forums like this. Prime targets for Pedos. When people start looking at the end results of things down the road, and not just TODAY, will we ever achieve a reasonable society for positive results. This includes digital and online platforms like OpenSim and SecondLife.
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All of the friends I made there, I stay in touch with mostly. We still wish Merry Christmas etc. and pass along info through other friends. All that is different is, we do not meet on SL anymore. One stayed behind for a while because she wasn't American. She recently told me how boring it got, and rarely logs in there now. So there ya go as far as the Libtards succeeding in their politically driven mission of banning someone that liked mean tweets but had a better life.
As for Google, I Google NOTHING. Recent developments have finally proven what we said for years, but were told to wear a tin foil hat for and labeled a conspiracy theorist, that Google was BIASED. Yes their AI now thinks, George Washington was black like George Jefferson, and that Thomas Jefferson was a Black chick in Independence Hall in 1776! Seriously WTF? I was glad to see that last week, Google is being sued AGAIN for biasness and I do hope that Alphabet Inc. burns to the ground with it's brain damaged employees as well as other woketard companies like GoDaddy, Facebook Meta, Tyson Foods, Quaker Oats, etc. Gog woke, go broke good riddance.
Where do I do searches? Swisscows.com or DuckDuckGo.com why is GGD second? They donated money to that idiot organization BLM which stands for Buy Large Mansions.
Lincoln the Republican said, a House divided cannot stand. This country is headed for a Civil War in November. We are beyond mutual respect and civility and the weaponized alphabet agencies are just inciting it more and more. What may alleviate this possibility? Companies like Libtard Labs being thrown into the Garbage can where it belongs and a new era evolving. That is what it will take to reach the Utopia dreams you seek.
I have to assume you are a teacher based on RL work. Well, your Union is massively to blame for this current situation in this country by masking kids over a fake Kung Flu hoax designed specifically to enhance mail-in ballots. Your union sacrificed a whole generation because they didn't like mean tweets. Your union subjected the world to a whole generation that is indoctrinated with immaturity, incorrectness, self loathing, false guilt, self righteousness and 100% mentally challenged and emotionally disturbed. The end result, is what you see in forums like this. Prime targets for Pedos. When people start looking at the end results of things down the road, and not just TODAY, will we ever achieve a reasonable society for positive results. This includes digital and online platforms like OpenSim and SecondLife.
Lordy! Give it a rest already. For someone who does not seem to like that place, you sure do spend a LOT of your time hanging out there and talking about them. Let's try and stay on topic.
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You defend Darkhearts, It's the pedo den of OS, Lil child avatars standing around with slave collars in just their undies, isn't okay in any form of life, The number one community in OSW is a pedo den, the community that represents OpenSim is a pedo den of slave children avatars, This isn't okay! Yet your ass who calls me a "Karen" defends it. Interesting.
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I am not defending ANYONE. I have no dog in that fight. I myself have had a Darkhart staff person yelling at me for even being in their grid. However, overall, my few visits there to shop have been pleasant. They have some great shops you cant find anywhere else, and looking at the activity board, they are doing something right.
I was simply pointing out that you seem unusually fixated on them specifically, to the point that a glance at your posts shows that over 80% of your posts focus on Darkharts. Even in threads that have nothing to do with them, you will insert the topic for no good reason. We've never met but you seem like a decent enough person, despite your ugly name-calling, but you do seem to spend a LOT of time talking about and visiting a place you claim to disdain. As Shakesspear said "‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’ .
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I was simply pointing out that you seem unusually fixated on them specifically, to the point that a glance at your posts shows that over 80% of your posts focus on Darkharts. Even in threads that have nothing to do with them, you will insert the topic for no good reason. We've never met but you seem like a decent enough person, despite your ugly name-calling, but you do seem to spend a LOT of time talking about and visiting a place you claim to disdain. As Shakesspear said "‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’ .
https://www.second-life-adventures.com/age-play-second-lif...
https://medium.com/@sean.handler/gaming-story-the-adult-si...
Might as well throw this in as well:
https://www.wired.com/story/second-life-plagued-security-f...
You want links and proof so much, so I made sure to provide it.
As you can previously see, even Libtard Reddit tried to block the initial reports like good little MSDNC soldiers. Whether you are for or against age play, age issues, etc. the fact remains that SecondLife and Libtard Labs are primary outlets for pedophiles. Just a much as Instantgram and Craigs List, etc. I'll never forget the years of every single group in SL having a douchebag Pedo posting daily: "Any girls submissive when younger? IM me I have questions." The notorious Starman was his name who created well over 1000 alts, like Marc Sparx aka (unmentioned Libtard name) did here. Starman's shit started way back in 2009 and was still going on even after I was gone in 2019. If you complained about him, you were kicked from the group or suspended by Libtard Labs. How awesome is that inclusiveness and caring? They ran more cover ops for criminals that the DOJ does for Joe Shittypants and Hunter's drug and hooker hookups.
I am not debating the age play issue, it's a toxic subject to say the least, but I am posting with joy in the hopes that SecondLife dies a painful death and it's owners rot in Federal lockup where those elitist anti-capitalist shit bags that want more money and power deserve to be. Virtue signaling all sorts of self righteous horseshit, canceling everyone that disagrees while partaking in every single of the activities they supposedly condemn, like all Libtards do. I also hope every single staff member also eats a good pile of dog shit and chokes. Then we can recycle their blue hair, use the 600 tons of fat cells and repurpose their cheeto fingers to save the horseshit climate and change and kung flu bullshit. Because they were just as complicit and all to eager to be blue dot gods since they exist in miserable lives without purpose and never progress.
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https://medium.com/@sean.handler/gaming-story-the-adult-si...
Might as well throw this in as well:
https://www.wired.com/story/second-life-plagued-security-f...
You want links and proof so much, so I made sure to provide it.
As you can previously see, even Libtard Reddit tried to block the initial reports like good little MSDNC soldiers. Whether you are for or against age play, age issues, etc. the fact remains that SecondLife and Libtard Labs are primary outlets for pedophiles. Just a much as Instantgram and Craigs List, etc. I'll never forget the years of every single group in SL having a douchebag Pedo posting daily: "Any girls submissive when younger? IM me I have questions." The notorious Starman was his name who created well over 1000 alts, like Marc Sparx aka (unmentioned Libtard name) did here. Starman's shit started way back in 2009 and was still going on even after I was gone in 2019. If you complained about him, you were kicked from the group or suspended by Libtard Labs. How awesome is that inclusiveness and caring? They ran more cover ops for criminals that the DOJ does for Joe Shittypants and Hunter's drug and hooker hookups.
I am not debating the age play issue, it's a toxic subject to say the least, but I am posting with joy in the hopes that SecondLife dies a painful death and it's owners rot in Federal lockup where those elitist anti-capitalist shit bags that want more money and power deserve to be. Virtue signaling all sorts of self righteous horseshit, canceling everyone that disagrees while partaking in every single of the activities they supposedly condemn, like all Libtards do. I also hope every single staff member also eats a good pile of dog shit and chokes. Then we can recycle their blue hair, use the 600 tons of fat cells and repurpose their cheeto fingers to save the horseshit climate and change and kung flu bullshit. Because they were just as complicit and all to eager to be blue dot gods since they exist in miserable lives without purpose and never progress.
The links regarding the police investigation are gone, who WERE contacted, but San Fagcisco cops really have too many more serious crimes going on to make this a priority. It's been reported, it's currently under investigation and the cops will always say they can't discuss for this reason as their excuse. I cannot confirm if it was sent to the Faggy Bureau of Idiots though because over state lines, it becomes a federal crime and the Dept. of Jerkoffs with Merritless Gayland running it is too busy trying to make up crimes to stop a man who made an angry Tweet that offended them from running in an election as a priority.
If it is on the books, then it will eventually be prosecuted. The question is WHEN.
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If it is on the books, then it will eventually be prosecuted. The question is WHEN.
no matter how much i defend the ageplay is two looking adult avatars, all everyone is going to think of is child looking avatars or ones with Adult avatars. that really hits us hard. I just call it what it is, pedophilia. Its one think to act a different age but its another to completely look like that younger RL age.
The issue is toxic for many because they believe that is what ageplay is and its not. but sadly most wont see it. I hope that for allowing stuff like that they get justice done. this is why things like happen, it is because some people allow it to happen. I understand grids want to be inclusive but if u allow child avatars then your going to allow the pedos in.
But its very hard to police everyone, that means including grids that are nothing but pedo related. I mean how do you shut a grid out from all of opensim, that would a big undertaking and who knows if it can be done.
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The issue is toxic for many because they believe that is what ageplay is and its not. but sadly most wont see it. I hope that for allowing stuff like that they get justice done. this is why things like happen, it is because some people allow it to happen. I understand grids want to be inclusive but if u allow child avatars then your going to allow the pedos in.
But its very hard to police everyone, that means including grids that are nothing but pedo related. I mean how do you shut a grid out from all of opensim, that would a big undertaking and who knows if it can be done.
To me age-play is a large discrepancy in ages so like an adult playing with one who acts and looks like a child. In that sort of scenerio there are two parties and in R/L it is the adult who is seen as the perpetrator but in Virtual it is seen as the child. Sort of like victim blaming.
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but my point is, in rl its two adults that play a certain age and wear child like clothing but u can tell there still adults. that is what ageplay actually is. in virtual everyone seems to think its actual rl children because of how child avis tell them or portray themselves. Some people get blamed because of how they portray themselves. No one wants to face the reality that real actual age play is not two rl looking childdren, or two virtual rl looking child avatars.
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just my opinion...
This headline inflates a huge balloon that some open sim users care more about than most SL users. The SL users dont care a lot especially the residents who have learned to appreciate SL mainly because of the many live concerts .And have found new friends this way.Be glad that SL exists! Who else could you pirate so many things from? (irony off)
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This headline inflates a huge balloon that some open sim users care more about than most SL users. The SL users dont care a lot especially the residents who have learned to appreciate SL mainly because of the many live concerts .And have found new friends this way.Be glad that SL exists! Who else could you pirate so many things from? (irony off)
Oh I do agree with you on that part, though SL USED to be a great place to make friends, money and conduct business, etc. It devolved into a cesspool of uneducated, sexually challenged, gender bent, confused political activists who think they know everything and the whole fucking world has to do things their way or die. They want you to enjoy their misery they created.
So in short, what changed SecondLife? The minute it went political.
The intelligent people are gone, the money is going the Bud Light way, the fun parties that used to exist are gone, however through other places the people that we all met and mattered, all stay in touch and connect ELSEWHERE and deservedly so.
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So in short, what changed SecondLife? The minute it went political.
The intelligent people are gone, the money is going the Bud Light way, the fun parties that used to exist are gone, however through other places the people that we all met and mattered, all stay in touch and connect ELSEWHERE and deservedly so.
They will not survive this, and deservedly so. SecondLife IS a toxic, pedophile amusement park and has been in massive decline since November 2019. Oberwager is incompetent, along with his 2 other political activist investment partners. The 3 of them sank $550 million into a dying company in hopes of turning it around and transforming it. However first order of business, was to ban the intelligent money makers and rely strictly on the freeloading political soldiers.
This was apparent in November 2019, when the mass bannings began. With all of the "conservatives" gone, they figured now the pedos can peacefully engage in age play without offending any conservatives that would report it. 300,000 conservatives banned initially and then more as they were discovered. Of course, by doing so, all of their money went too.
Then the news breaking with proof of the rampant Pedo activity causing SL to scramble through public relations, THIS is just another case of grabbing the cheapy hippy dippy local law firm in San Freakcisco to write something to cover all their bases. It won't make a difference.
Even if that girly man Jake Sullivan wearing his dad's suit wrote this, it will not stop the damage. They can write all the BOLD FULL STOPS, ACTIONS MOVING FORWARD, COMMITMENT TO YOU (That we really hate, but want to let you think we like you) but in the end, will NOT make any change nor stop the damage.
SecondLife needs to die a painful death and deservedly so, along with every single uneducated political simpleton that championed cancel culture. As Crying Chuckie Schumer once said, "Reap the whirlwind". I pray that Oberwager and his 2 woketard investors are brought to court as accomplices for MANY crimes that have been committed other than this issue. Maybe they can cry into their Bezerkly, Stanford and Haavvvaahhd diplomas as the tissues for their issues.
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This was apparent in November 2019, when the mass bannings began. With all of the "conservatives" gone, they figured now the pedos can peacefully engage in age play without offending any conservatives that would report it. 300,000 conservatives banned initially and then more as they were discovered. Of course, by doing so, all of their money went too.
Then the news breaking with proof of the rampant Pedo activity causing SL to scramble through public relations, THIS is just another case of grabbing the cheapy hippy dippy local law firm in San Freakcisco to write something to cover all their bases. It won't make a difference.
Even if that girly man Jake Sullivan wearing his dad's suit wrote this, it will not stop the damage. They can write all the BOLD FULL STOPS, ACTIONS MOVING FORWARD, COMMITMENT TO YOU (That we really hate, but want to let you think we like you) but in the end, will NOT make any change nor stop the damage.
SecondLife needs to die a painful death and deservedly so, along with every single uneducated political simpleton that championed cancel culture. As Crying Chuckie Schumer once said, "Reap the whirlwind". I pray that Oberwager and his 2 woketard investors are brought to court as accomplices for MANY crimes that have been committed other than this issue. Maybe they can cry into their Bezerkly, Stanford and Haavvvaahhd diplomas as the tissues for their issues.
No offense, but you are delusional. None of that rant is even remotely attached to reality. It is entertaining though, so rant on! I am looking forward to the part where you are tying Patch Linden to AOC, the Illuminati and hearing how wind turbines are turning frogs gay.
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Oh how very Libtard of you to begin your supposed accusation as "delusional" and trying to tie it to "consipracies".
I really enjoyed reading your less than 140 characters of uneducated, ignorance on full display, because we know you are a self proclaimed expert of everything and an arm chair expert of nothingness. Congratulations on achieving the most useless factless post of the day and welcome to my returned cancel culture. You have made it abundantly clear that you as well as Marcus Sparx, have a severe deficiency in Reading Comprehension.
I am so very glad I offended your poow wittle feewings to the point that you proceeded to make this factless accusation. You have made my day.
If you would really like to know about AOC though, she supposedly lived in my childhood neighborhood in Parkchester in the Bronx. But gee, I apparently don't know anything according to you, so I will not provide you any of those details so you can wallow in astonishment of FOMO.
Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P
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I really enjoyed reading your less than 140 characters of uneducated, ignorance on full display, because we know you are a self proclaimed expert of everything and an arm chair expert of nothingness. Congratulations on achieving the most useless factless post of the day and welcome to my returned cancel culture. You have made it abundantly clear that you as well as Marcus Sparx, have a severe deficiency in Reading Comprehension.
I am so very glad I offended your poow wittle feewings to the point that you proceeded to make this factless accusation. You have made my day.
If you would really like to know about AOC though, she supposedly lived in my childhood neighborhood in Parkchester in the Bronx. But gee, I apparently don't know anything according to you, so I will not provide you any of those details so you can wallow in astonishment of FOMO.
Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P
Poster above is one of them. I knew many who knew many more and many more. It was the first major act Oberwager committed upon his first log in. He was so experienced in digital worlds he needed staff to teach him how to make his avatar walk. I was there to witness that. Of course, I saved many of the staff conversations as proof, because we all know that they would never allow any evidence of their actions to be published or acknowledged. Just like MSDNC would do. But I assure you, the thousands of us exist and are now in OpenSIm or moved on. Some have even died, as a result of health or old age.
SL managed to survive it's first legal hurdle by banning Gambling and Banking. By moving their servers to Iceland, to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Then around 2017, they moved to the Amazon "cloud". So very responsible and law abiding virtue signalers. Eventually, the E.U. caught up with them and that is why they are on Crapazon servers.
Want to test how much SecondLife cares about you? Try to call a customer service number. You can call billing which winds up being some house bound, blue haired, uneducated and clueless simpleton who doesn't understand laws or basic economics. But try to actually call ANY number you could possibly find at their San Freakcisco HQ. You will be met with either a voicemail that is full or number not working. So very caring of paying customers who they expect to pay $500+ for sims. The best you can do is contact their "Online" chat. And then you are met with arrogance, virtue signaling, incompetence, apathy and more regardless of your financial investment. They prefer freeloaders who offer nothing and merely a number of existence in their statistics.
As for the forums, well if you post anything they disagree with, if you are not politically aligned your post is censored, removed and you are suspended. Even if you provided the correct solution to a problem. Even if you posted something positive for the community. So why would I and thousands of others waste ANY of our time posting on a forum that will only delete or prevent your post from being even entered? Now that we have AI to push the agenda, I am sure SL will jump on that to make censorship way more efficient. Like the NY Post! Check out the massive drops in their article discussions. Go woke, go broke, good riddance.
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SL managed to survive it's first legal hurdle by banning Gambling and Banking. By moving their servers to Iceland, to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Then around 2017, they moved to the Amazon "cloud". So very responsible and law abiding virtue signalers. Eventually, the E.U. caught up with them and that is why they are on Crapazon servers.
Want to test how much SecondLife cares about you? Try to call a customer service number. You can call billing which winds up being some house bound, blue haired, uneducated and clueless simpleton who doesn't understand laws or basic economics. But try to actually call ANY number you could possibly find at their San Freakcisco HQ. You will be met with either a voicemail that is full or number not working. So very caring of paying customers who they expect to pay $500+ for sims. The best you can do is contact their "Online" chat. And then you are met with arrogance, virtue signaling, incompetence, apathy and more regardless of your financial investment. They prefer freeloaders who offer nothing and merely a number of existence in their statistics.
As for the forums, well if you post anything they disagree with, if you are not politically aligned your post is censored, removed and you are suspended. Even if you provided the correct solution to a problem. Even if you posted something positive for the community. So why would I and thousands of others waste ANY of our time posting on a forum that will only delete or prevent your post from being even entered? Now that we have AI to push the agenda, I am sure SL will jump on that to make censorship way more efficient. Like the NY Post! Check out the massive drops in their article discussions. Go woke, go broke, good riddance.
FreshVirtualWorld's response was very helpful for the conversation loool actually, his response unfortunately shows that some people just don't engage their thinking and react badly without specific reasons and in a stupid way. For example, if Europe makes a specific law for metaverses, Opensimulator will fall under it, but Fresh demonstrates how low the intellectual level of some people is lol.
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I can understand people's sensitivity, but I don't think his comment and reaction are justified.
The post is quite clear, and there are valid comments and responses, even emotionally. The concern is legitimate, and in the post, there are a series of questions. What does blocking someone have to do with this post? He should have expressed his thoughts, but instead, he clearly stated, 'SL is SL, OS is OS, I'll block anyone who talks about SL in this place, you're the first!' I believe it has little to do with his 'noble' mood; it's just a silly comment since the topic of any new laws to regulate the metaverses would apply to all of us who inhabit them.
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The post is quite clear, and there are valid comments and responses, even emotionally. The concern is legitimate, and in the post, there are a series of questions. What does blocking someone have to do with this post? He should have expressed his thoughts, but instead, he clearly stated, 'SL is SL, OS is OS, I'll block anyone who talks about SL in this place, you're the first!' I believe it has little to do with his 'noble' mood; it's just a silly comment since the topic of any new laws to regulate the metaverses would apply to all of us who inhabit them.
In addition, he behaves even more foolishly and questionably by unblocking blocked individuals to respond and then blocking them again (hahaha, amusing but ridiculous). This behavior reflects on the quality of actions of this person, which is why his comments will be deleted, always.
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It's the result of cancel culture. My last name is aptly named based on how many times I was for over 25+ years of internet experience.I see Fresh's point though that this website should be focused on OpenSim and not toxic SecondLife which is just ONE GRID, though the one that started it all and most famous. I personally indulge in payback and block woketards proactively since it was done to me for years.
However I do think you are partly right OpenLife about fresh's reaction being a bit overboard and hasty. But everyone wanted cancel culture and got it, now they are against it?
One thing I am sick of in life is saying "I told you so" so many freaking times. But alas, it applies again.
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However I do think you are partly right OpenLife about fresh's reaction being a bit overboard and hasty. But everyone wanted cancel culture and got it, now they are against it?
One thing I am sick of in life is saying "I told you so" so many freaking times. But alas, it applies again.
I think the beginning of the end was weeks ago when the Medium article was pulled down. I think you are seeing things wrapping up now. There will likely be another press release in a month or two with some new TOS changes at Second Life, likely for the worse and not better. We'll most likely see some new staff and possibly a change or even elimination of the "Mole" program. That will be the end of it. I don't see how any of this effects OS.
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think about it, lets say they all get banned, or sl is shut down or they change there tos. where do you think they will go when they cant get ot sl, they may flee to opensim. we all have to be prepared in case that happens.
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I will probably regret this, but I will bite. Who is this "they" you speak of. IS there some secret underground cabal planning to invade OS. I don't know how to tell you this, but SL is not going anywhere. Some people are going to get fired. The ungodly vague TOS at SL will have about 5000 more words added to it... and that will be it. I am no fan of Linden Lab, but i do not think we need to be making more out of this than it is.
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i was referring to child avatars in sl, and yeah sl will never get shutdown but if one day it happens i wanna be prepared.
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Possibly. But that makes a large assumption that many of the claims made in the original Medium article are/were true. Personally, I think the fact that the article was pulled and written under a pen name have to make many of the allegations questionable. I think it was hit job by someone who had an axe to grind, but that is just my opinion. Also, many of the allegations would be a violation of Linden's ever-growing "terms of service" but not much of a legal issue. At worst, Second Life gets one more self-inflicted PR blackeye, which may ultimately benefit OS and other grids. Also, I feel like the decentralized way most of OS functions inoculates it from a lot of what LL may be (or may NOT be) staring at. I think that is a good thing.
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Well ... that statement from Oberwager said nothing, and that concerns me.
There's literally no way that it should take this long to ascertain the validity or lack thereof of the accusations in that article. The region that was fingered either had or didn't have the stuff that was allegedly there. There should be backups to ascertain what state it was in before the article came out, if the 'investigators' think it was cleaned up after the article was published. If LL don't maintain logs and backups sufficient to investigate this then, as an IT professional with more than 35 years experience, I say they are literally incompetent.
As to the impact that it has on SL and OSG, it's really hard to say. The reality is that no government can stop a determined citizenry which wants to access something. Even the Chinese government's best efforts resulted in a Great Firewall which is decidedly porous and is dependent on physical means (i.e. informers, authoritarian policing, etc) to fill in the gaps. So if governments DO regulate (which governments love to do) then all it will do is stop the people who obey the law, and the criminals will just keep doing what they are doing.
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There's literally no way that it should take this long to ascertain the validity or lack thereof of the accusations in that article. The region that was fingered either had or didn't have the stuff that was allegedly there. There should be backups to ascertain what state it was in before the article came out, if the 'investigators' think it was cleaned up after the article was published. If LL don't maintain logs and backups sufficient to investigate this then, as an IT professional with more than 35 years experience, I say they are literally incompetent.
As to the impact that it has on SL and OSG, it's really hard to say. The reality is that no government can stop a determined citizenry which wants to access something. Even the Chinese government's best efforts resulted in a Great Firewall which is decidedly porous and is dependent on physical means (i.e. informers, authoritarian policing, etc) to fill in the gaps. So if governments DO regulate (which governments love to do) then all it will do is stop the people who obey the law, and the criminals will just keep doing what they are doing.
Vickijoanne, I concur. I also have been in IT for 45+ years as well as dealing with legalities and lawyers all those years. What that incompetent Oberwager said was tin can Legal "cover my ass" garbage. If you read it close enough, it sounds like the U.S. State Dept. wrote it to make sure no one was "offended" but they were legally covered.
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