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Allow me to introduce the forum troll
The forum troll deliberately tries to cause conflict by posting provocative or derogatory comments. Their goal is to annoy others and/or provoke angry counter-comments.
How do you get rid of a forum troll?
- Report the troll to the forum operator
Only a forum administrator can ensure that an account can no longer post anything on their forum. Unfortunately, it is quite difficult to permanently keep them off a website through administrative measures. The forum troll is skilled at hiding behind one or more pseudonyms. Persistent trolls protect their true identities by concealing their IP address or using a proxy server.
Forum trolls thrive on any kind of attention they receive. Whether it's polite requests, threats of consequences, or counter-insults, any reaction from another person serves as fuel for the troll and encourages them to continue their disrespectful behavior.
What should you do if the troll cannot be permanently banned by the forum operator? The most important measure is:
“Don't feed the troll!”
Since every response, every comment, and every mention of their name is food for the troll (and permanent banning by website operators is difficult), the only way to get rid of the troll is to “starve” them, i.e.:
- Ignore the troll.
No matter how provocative and offensive they may become, show them NO REACTION. Remain silent! No matter how difficult it may be when you are personally attacked verbally, the troll MUST have a reaction in order to continue. Persistent trolls are like junkies going through withdrawal: at first, they will become even louder and more offensive in order to provoke a reaction.
- Mute the troll.
Constant, recurring insults are stressful for any normal person, even if you don't respond to them. Most forums offer a “block” function so that certain people can no longer contact you. Use this option and block the troll. Unfortunately, with persistent trolls who change accounts, you have to repeat this process over and over again, but eventually... eventually, your silence will wear the troll down to the point where they give up and look for another place to vent.
- Together we are strongest!
It is nerve-wracking to be repeatedly targeted by a troll. Many trolls are highly manipulative. They like to portray themselves publicly as victims and/or try to get other members to take their side. That is why it is important for the entire forum community to stand united against the troll by collectively ignoring this person.
Always remember: every single word, every mention of their name, every reaction is the fuel that keeps the forum troll alive. If just one person throws the troll a piece of bait in the form of a reaction, they immediately draw energy from it to continue...
There are so many better things you can do in your free time than waste precious time on trolls. So do what makes you happy and have fun instead of letting bored people bring anger and sadness into your life!!!
p.s.: Comments for this post are not useful. Why? Some of you will find this post helpful, others will probably find it stupid. But as already mentioned: every comment pleases and feeds the troll – and I personally would rather starve the troll than allow it to have fun at my expense...
* * * * *
Gestatten, der Forentroll
Der Forentroll versucht absichtlich durch Beleidigungen Konflikte zu verursachen, indem er provokative oder abfällige Kommentare veröffentlicht. Sein Ziel ist es, andere zu verärgern und/oder wütende Gegenkommentare zu provozieren.
Wie wird man einen Forentroll wieder los?
Meldet den Troll beim Forenbetreiber
Nur ein Forenadmin kann dafür sorgen, dass ein Account nichts mehr in dessen Forum schreiben kann. Es ist leider ziemlich schwer ihn durch administrative Maßnahmen dauerhaft von einer Webseite fernzuhalten. Der Forentroll versteht es geschickt, sich hinter einem oder mehreren Pseudonymen zu verstecken. Hartnäckige Trolle schützen ihre wahren Identitäten durch Verschleiern ihrer IP-Adresse oder durch Nutzen eines Proxyservers.
Der Forentroll lebt von jeder Art der Aufmerksamkeit, die man ihm gibt. Egal ob höfliches Bitten, Androhung von Konsequenzen oder Gegenbeleidigungen - jegliche Reaktion einer anderen Person dient dem Troll als Nahrung und bestärkt ihn darin, mit seinem respektlosen Treiben weiterzumachen.
Was tun, wenn sich der Troll vom Forenbetreiber nicht auf dauerhaft fernhalten lässt? Die wichtigste Regel lautet:
"Füttere nicht den Troll!"
Da jede Antwort, jeder Kommentar und jede Erwähnung seines Namens Futter für den Troll bedeuten (und dauerhaftes Bannen durch Webseitenbetreiber nur schwer möglich ist), kann man den Troll tatsächlich nur loswerden, indem man ihn "aushungert", das heißt:
- Ignoriert den Troll
Egal wie provokativ und beleidigend er auch werden mag, zeigt ihm KEINE REAKTION. Schweigt euch aus! Egal wie schwer es auch ist, wenn man persönlich verbal angegriffen wird- der Troll MUSS eine Reaktion haben, um sein weitermachen zu können. Hartnäckige Trolle sind wie Junkies auf Entzug: sie werden zunächst noch lauter und beleidigender werden, um doch noch eine Reaktion zu provozieren.
- Schaltet den Troll stumm
Jeden normalen Menschen belasten ständige widerkehrende Beschimpfungen, auch wenn man nicht darauf eingeht. Die meisten Foren bieten eine "Blockierfunktion" an, so dass einen bestimmte Personen nicht mehr kontaktieren können. Nutzt diese Möglichkeit und blockiert den Troll. Bei hartnäckigen Trollen mit wechselnden Accounts muss man das leider immer neu wiederholen, aber irgendwann ... irgendwann habt ihr den Troll durch euer Schweigen soweit, dass er aufgibt und sich einen anderen Ort zum Austoben sucht.
- Gemeinsam sind wir am stärksten!
Es ist nervenaufreibend immer wieder Opfer eines Trolls zu sein. Viele Trolle sind stark manipulativ. Sie stellen sich gern selbst öffentlich als Opfer dar und/oder versuchen andere Mitglieder auf ihre Seite zu ziehen. Deswegen ist es wichtig, dass sich möglichst die ganze Forengemeinschaft geschlossen gegen den Troll stellt: durch gemeinschaftliches Ignorieren dieser Person.
Denkt immer daran: jedes einzelne Wort, jede Erwähnung seines Namens, jede Reaktion ist die Nahrung, die den Forentroll am Leben hält. Wirft nur eine einzige Person dem Troll ein Stückchen Futter in Form einer Reaktion zu, zieht er daraus sofort Energie um weiterzumachen.....
Es gibt soviel Schöneres, was ihr in eurer Freizeit tun könnt, als wertvolle Lebenszeit an den Troll zu verschwenden. Also macht das, was euch Freude macht, und habt Spaß anstatt Wut und Traurigkeit von einem gelangweilten Menschen in euer Leben bringen zu lassen!!!
p.s.: Die Kommentare für diesen Beitrag sind nicht nützlich. Warum? Manche von euch werden diesen Beitrag hilfreich finden, andere finden ihn vermutlich blöd. Aber wie schon erwähnt: jeder Kommentar erfreut und ernährt den Troll - und ich persönlich möchte den Troll lieber aushungern, anstatt zuzulassen, dass er sich auf meine Kosten einen Spaß macht...
The forum troll deliberately tries to cause conflict by posting provocative or derogatory comments. Their goal is to annoy others and/or provoke angry counter-comments.
How do you get rid of a forum troll?
- Report the troll to the forum operator
Only a forum administrator can ensure that an account can no longer post anything on their forum. Unfortunately, it is quite difficult to permanently keep them off a website through administrative measures. The forum troll is skilled at hiding behind one or more pseudonyms. Persistent trolls protect their true identities by concealing their IP address or using a proxy server.
Forum trolls thrive on any kind of attention they receive. Whether it's polite requests, threats of consequences, or counter-insults, any reaction from another person serves as fuel for the troll and encourages them to continue their disrespectful behavior.
What should you do if the troll cannot be permanently banned by the forum operator? The most important measure is:
“Don't feed the troll!”
Since every response, every comment, and every mention of their name is food for the troll (and permanent banning by website operators is difficult), the only way to get rid of the troll is to “starve” them, i.e.:
- Ignore the troll.
No matter how provocative and offensive they may become, show them NO REACTION. Remain silent! No matter how difficult it may be when you are personally attacked verbally, the troll MUST have a reaction in order to continue. Persistent trolls are like junkies going through withdrawal: at first, they will become even louder and more offensive in order to provoke a reaction.
- Mute the troll.
Constant, recurring insults are stressful for any normal person, even if you don't respond to them. Most forums offer a “block” function so that certain people can no longer contact you. Use this option and block the troll. Unfortunately, with persistent trolls who change accounts, you have to repeat this process over and over again, but eventually... eventually, your silence will wear the troll down to the point where they give up and look for another place to vent.
- Together we are strongest!
It is nerve-wracking to be repeatedly targeted by a troll. Many trolls are highly manipulative. They like to portray themselves publicly as victims and/or try to get other members to take their side. That is why it is important for the entire forum community to stand united against the troll by collectively ignoring this person.
Always remember: every single word, every mention of their name, every reaction is the fuel that keeps the forum troll alive. If just one person throws the troll a piece of bait in the form of a reaction, they immediately draw energy from it to continue...
There are so many better things you can do in your free time than waste precious time on trolls. So do what makes you happy and have fun instead of letting bored people bring anger and sadness into your life!!!
p.s.: Comments for this post are not useful. Why? Some of you will find this post helpful, others will probably find it stupid. But as already mentioned: every comment pleases and feeds the troll – and I personally would rather starve the troll than allow it to have fun at my expense...
* * * * *
Gestatten, der Forentroll
Der Forentroll versucht absichtlich durch Beleidigungen Konflikte zu verursachen, indem er provokative oder abfällige Kommentare veröffentlicht. Sein Ziel ist es, andere zu verärgern und/oder wütende Gegenkommentare zu provozieren.
Wie wird man einen Forentroll wieder los?
Meldet den Troll beim Forenbetreiber
Nur ein Forenadmin kann dafür sorgen, dass ein Account nichts mehr in dessen Forum schreiben kann. Es ist leider ziemlich schwer ihn durch administrative Maßnahmen dauerhaft von einer Webseite fernzuhalten. Der Forentroll versteht es geschickt, sich hinter einem oder mehreren Pseudonymen zu verstecken. Hartnäckige Trolle schützen ihre wahren Identitäten durch Verschleiern ihrer IP-Adresse oder durch Nutzen eines Proxyservers.
Der Forentroll lebt von jeder Art der Aufmerksamkeit, die man ihm gibt. Egal ob höfliches Bitten, Androhung von Konsequenzen oder Gegenbeleidigungen - jegliche Reaktion einer anderen Person dient dem Troll als Nahrung und bestärkt ihn darin, mit seinem respektlosen Treiben weiterzumachen.
Was tun, wenn sich der Troll vom Forenbetreiber nicht auf dauerhaft fernhalten lässt? Die wichtigste Regel lautet:
"Füttere nicht den Troll!"
Da jede Antwort, jeder Kommentar und jede Erwähnung seines Namens Futter für den Troll bedeuten (und dauerhaftes Bannen durch Webseitenbetreiber nur schwer möglich ist), kann man den Troll tatsächlich nur loswerden, indem man ihn "aushungert", das heißt:
- Ignoriert den Troll
Egal wie provokativ und beleidigend er auch werden mag, zeigt ihm KEINE REAKTION. Schweigt euch aus! Egal wie schwer es auch ist, wenn man persönlich verbal angegriffen wird- der Troll MUSS eine Reaktion haben, um sein weitermachen zu können. Hartnäckige Trolle sind wie Junkies auf Entzug: sie werden zunächst noch lauter und beleidigender werden, um doch noch eine Reaktion zu provozieren.
- Schaltet den Troll stumm
Jeden normalen Menschen belasten ständige widerkehrende Beschimpfungen, auch wenn man nicht darauf eingeht. Die meisten Foren bieten eine "Blockierfunktion" an, so dass einen bestimmte Personen nicht mehr kontaktieren können. Nutzt diese Möglichkeit und blockiert den Troll. Bei hartnäckigen Trollen mit wechselnden Accounts muss man das leider immer neu wiederholen, aber irgendwann ... irgendwann habt ihr den Troll durch euer Schweigen soweit, dass er aufgibt und sich einen anderen Ort zum Austoben sucht.
- Gemeinsam sind wir am stärksten!
Es ist nervenaufreibend immer wieder Opfer eines Trolls zu sein. Viele Trolle sind stark manipulativ. Sie stellen sich gern selbst öffentlich als Opfer dar und/oder versuchen andere Mitglieder auf ihre Seite zu ziehen. Deswegen ist es wichtig, dass sich möglichst die ganze Forengemeinschaft geschlossen gegen den Troll stellt: durch gemeinschaftliches Ignorieren dieser Person.
Denkt immer daran: jedes einzelne Wort, jede Erwähnung seines Namens, jede Reaktion ist die Nahrung, die den Forentroll am Leben hält. Wirft nur eine einzige Person dem Troll ein Stückchen Futter in Form einer Reaktion zu, zieht er daraus sofort Energie um weiterzumachen.....
Es gibt soviel Schöneres, was ihr in eurer Freizeit tun könnt, als wertvolle Lebenszeit an den Troll zu verschwenden. Also macht das, was euch Freude macht, und habt Spaß anstatt Wut und Traurigkeit von einem gelangweilten Menschen in euer Leben bringen zu lassen!!!
p.s.: Die Kommentare für diesen Beitrag sind nicht nützlich. Warum? Manche von euch werden diesen Beitrag hilfreich finden, andere finden ihn vermutlich blöd. Aber wie schon erwähnt: jeder Kommentar erfreut und ernährt den Troll - und ich persönlich möchte den Troll lieber aushungern, anstatt zuzulassen, dass er sich auf meine Kosten einen Spaß macht...
🚀 ATEK Grid — Open Beta Has Begun
ATEK Grid is officially open for public beta, and we are inviting builders, creators, developers, and community leaders to help shape what comes next.
ATEK Grid is a technology hub designed to develop, test, and foster new technology for OpenSim. Our long-term mission is simple and transparent:
build real tools, share knowledge, and contribute usable code back to the OpenSim community.
This is not just another grid launch. We are focused on:
Developing and testing new OpenSim-focused applications and services
Supporting innovation through collaboration and shared infrastructure
Building long-term relationships across grids, creators, and developers
Creating a welcoming, professional community centered on growth and experimentation
We are actively hiring for PAID positions, including:
Community Builders
Greeter & Support Staff
Development & Technical Staff
Whether you are a social connector, a builder, a scripter, or someone who simply believes OpenSim deserves better tools and stronger collaboration, there is a place for you here.
2026 is the year to make things happen.
ATEK Grid is laying the foundation now. Openly, collaboratively, and with the intent to give back to the wider OpenSim ecosystem.
Join us early. Help build the future.
🌐 ATEK Grid Open Beta — Now Live https://atekgrid.com/
ATEK Grid is officially open for public beta, and we are inviting builders, creators, developers, and community leaders to help shape what comes next.
ATEK Grid is a technology hub designed to develop, test, and foster new technology for OpenSim. Our long-term mission is simple and transparent:
build real tools, share knowledge, and contribute usable code back to the OpenSim community.
This is not just another grid launch. We are focused on:
Developing and testing new OpenSim-focused applications and services
Supporting innovation through collaboration and shared infrastructure
Building long-term relationships across grids, creators, and developers
Creating a welcoming, professional community centered on growth and experimentation
We are actively hiring for PAID positions, including:
Community Builders
Greeter & Support Staff
Development & Technical Staff
Whether you are a social connector, a builder, a scripter, or someone who simply believes OpenSim deserves better tools and stronger collaboration, there is a place for you here.
2026 is the year to make things happen.
ATEK Grid is laying the foundation now. Openly, collaboratively, and with the intent to give back to the wider OpenSim ecosystem.
Join us early. Help build the future.
🌐 ATEK Grid Open Beta — Now Live https://atekgrid.com/
🚀 ATEK Grid — Open Beta Has Begun
ATEK Grid is officially open for public beta, and we are inviting builders, creators, developers, and community leaders to help shape what comes next.
ATEK Grid is a technology hub designed to develop, test, and foster new technology for OpenSim. Our long-term mission is simple and transparent:
build real tools, share knowledge, and contribute usable code back to the OpenSim community.
This is not just another grid launch. We are focused on:
Developing and testing new OpenSim-focused applications and services
Supporting innovation through collaboration and shared infrastructure
Building long-term relationships across grids, creators, and developers
Creating a welcoming, professional community centered on growth and experimentation
We are actively hiring for PAID positions, including:
Community Builders
Greeter & Support Staff
Development & Technical Staff
Whether you are a social connector, a builder, a scripter, or someone who simply believes OpenSim deserves better tools and stronger collaboration, there is a place for you here.
2026 is the year to make things happen.
ATEK Grid is laying the foundation now. Openly, collaboratively, and with the intent to give back to the wider OpenSim ecosystem.
Join us early. Help build the future.
🌐 ATEK Grid Open Beta — Now Live https://atekgrid.com/
ATEK Grid is officially open for public beta, and we are inviting builders, creators, developers, and community leaders to help shape what comes next.
ATEK Grid is a technology hub designed to develop, test, and foster new technology for OpenSim. Our long-term mission is simple and transparent:
build real tools, share knowledge, and contribute usable code back to the OpenSim community.
This is not just another grid launch. We are focused on:
Developing and testing new OpenSim-focused applications and services
Supporting innovation through collaboration and shared infrastructure
Building long-term relationships across grids, creators, and developers
Creating a welcoming, professional community centered on growth and experimentation
We are actively hiring for PAID positions, including:
Community Builders
Greeter & Support Staff
Development & Technical Staff
Whether you are a social connector, a builder, a scripter, or someone who simply believes OpenSim deserves better tools and stronger collaboration, there is a place for you here.
2026 is the year to make things happen.
ATEK Grid is laying the foundation now. Openly, collaboratively, and with the intent to give back to the wider OpenSim ecosystem.
Join us early. Help build the future.
🌐 ATEK Grid Open Beta — Now Live https://atekgrid.com/
DJ TED Today at The Morning Breakfast Show at Amv.
Today Bringing you back in time from year 2015 - 2020 . Join me for a 2 hours set , everybody is welcome
Überarbeitete Sound Vendoren in der "Sound Machine"
Nachdem die Original Sound Vendoren, die ich vor ein paar Jahren von einem Freund geschenkt bekommen habe, die dumme Angewohnheit hatten, die Scriptengine zu triggern, mit dem Ergebnis, dass die Skripte regelmäßig versagt haben, habe ich mich endlich dran gemacht, die Vendoren auszutauschen.
Sie sind vielleicht nicht mehr so schick wie die alten, dafür laufen die Skripte jetzt aber ohne Gemecker...
Und wo ich gleich am Überarbeiten war, habe ich gleich noch einige neue Sounds dazu gepackt... :)
* * * * *
Revised sound vendors in the “Sound Machine”
After the original sound vendors, which I received from a friend a few years ago, had the annoying habit of triggering the script engine, resulting in the scripts regularly failing, I finally got around to replacing the vendors.
They may not be as fancy as the old ones, but now the scripts run without any problems...
And while I was revising them, I added a few new sounds... :)
Nachdem die Original Sound Vendoren, die ich vor ein paar Jahren von einem Freund geschenkt bekommen habe, die dumme Angewohnheit hatten, die Scriptengine zu triggern, mit dem Ergebnis, dass die Skripte regelmäßig versagt haben, habe ich mich endlich dran gemacht, die Vendoren auszutauschen.
Sie sind vielleicht nicht mehr so schick wie die alten, dafür laufen die Skripte jetzt aber ohne Gemecker...
Und wo ich gleich am Überarbeiten war, habe ich gleich noch einige neue Sounds dazu gepackt... :)
* * * * *
Revised sound vendors in the “Sound Machine”
After the original sound vendors, which I received from a friend a few years ago, had the annoying habit of triggering the script engine, resulting in the scripts regularly failing, I finally got around to replacing the vendors.
They may not be as fancy as the old ones, but now the scripts run without any problems...
And while I was revising them, I added a few new sounds... :)
New Year - New Me
We’re launching a daily Exercise Movement right here on the OpenSim
Connect Discord Channel to get builders, creators, and project junkies
moving.
So, three times a day, we’re hosting 15-minute movement breaks
designed to get circulation flowing, loosen stiff joints, and reset your
energy. No gym. No pressure. Just simple, accessible movement you
can do wherever you are.
15 minutes. 3 times a day. Your body will thank you.
Movement with others feels less like exercise and more like Fun!
😄 It’s More Fun (and Fun = Consistency)
#daily movement
https://discord.gg/y5sk2b6D68
https://youtu.be/1P6_Z8jfgvM?si=f8-mB9Ot1D_bj2LI
We’re launching a daily Exercise Movement right here on the OpenSim
Connect Discord Channel to get builders, creators, and project junkies
moving.
So, three times a day, we’re hosting 15-minute movement breaks
designed to get circulation flowing, loosen stiff joints, and reset your
energy. No gym. No pressure. Just simple, accessible movement you
can do wherever you are.
15 minutes. 3 times a day. Your body will thank you.
Movement with others feels less like exercise and more like Fun!
😄 It’s More Fun (and Fun = Consistency)
#daily movement
https://discord.gg/y5sk2b6D68
https://youtu.be/1P6_Z8jfgvM?si=f8-mB9Ot1D_bj2LI
 | Ellen: What are the times? 12 days ago |
Tin Machine
Ende der 1980er Jahre befand sich David Bowie an einem künstlerischen Wendepunkt.
Nach dem massiven kommerziellen Erfolg von „Let’s Dance“ und den eher zwiespältig aufgenommenen Nachfolgealben verspürte er den Drang,
die glitzernde Welt des Pop hinter sich zu lassen.
Er suchte nach einer Möglichkeit, sich wieder als Teil eines Kollektivs zu fühlen,
anstatt als einsame Ikone im Rampenlicht zu stehen. ...
Zum ganzen Artikel auf Xenopolias hier lang > https://wp.me/pfapSM-1ZQ
All articles on Xenopolias are available in all common languages.
Ende der 1980er Jahre befand sich David Bowie an einem künstlerischen Wendepunkt.
Nach dem massiven kommerziellen Erfolg von „Let’s Dance“ und den eher zwiespältig aufgenommenen Nachfolgealben verspürte er den Drang,
die glitzernde Welt des Pop hinter sich zu lassen.
Er suchte nach einer Möglichkeit, sich wieder als Teil eines Kollektivs zu fühlen,
anstatt als einsame Ikone im Rampenlicht zu stehen. ...
Zum ganzen Artikel auf Xenopolias hier lang > https://wp.me/pfapSM-1ZQ
All articles on Xenopolias are available in all common languages.
its kinda late But Happy New years everyone :)
Cool School 2026! Starts Saturday, January 10th, 2 pm @ The Kitely Events Center.
We focus on hands-on learning that helps people build, create, script, and experiment with confidence. Whether you’re just getting started or looking to sharpen what you already know, Cool School offers practical knowledge you can use in-world. It’s learning by doing, sharing ideas, and walking away knowing how to make something work.
Join our Discord Server - https://discord.gg/BxJZAyxJpX
Go to the 2026 - week 1 tab and download the programs needed for the first workshop
We will be available Thursday, Jan.8th @ 1 pm GridTime to help anyone who needs help with downloads and Blender addons
We focus on hands-on learning that helps people build, create, script, and experiment with confidence. Whether you’re just getting started or looking to sharpen what you already know, Cool School offers practical knowledge you can use in-world. It’s learning by doing, sharing ideas, and walking away knowing how to make something work.
Join our Discord Server - https://discord.gg/BxJZAyxJpX
Go to the 2026 - week 1 tab and download the programs needed for the first workshop
We will be available Thursday, Jan.8th @ 1 pm GridTime to help anyone who needs help with downloads and Blender addons
| | Aphra Hendrix: i love those comic avatars! 14 days ago |
Peace, love, tranquility, successful development and prosperity.
| | Aphra Hendrix: nice colours... 14 days ago |
Join us at the Piazza at 3 pm grid time, for a couple of hours of fun and music while Rockin' Robert spins the tunes for us via his radio station Wax Radio.
The Piazza, where good friends and great music always come together.
bridgemere.outworldz.net:8002:Paradise Lagoon
The Piazza, where good friends and great music always come together.
bridgemere.outworldz.net:8002:Paradise Lagoon
ACTIVE NPC USERS:
Make your Greeter NPCs even SMARTER with your LOCAL OLLAMA server!
Random Tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtSSMs6ObqY
Active NPC Scripts: https://opensimworld.com/library?view=151
Make sure ollama runs as a server:
export OLLAMA_HOST=0.0.0.0
ollama serve
This has been a game changer on my grid and I hope you guys will have fun with this.
Make your Greeter NPCs even SMARTER with your LOCAL OLLAMA server!
Random Tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtSSMs6ObqY
Active NPC Scripts: https://opensimworld.com/library?view=151
Make sure ollama runs as a server:
export OLLAMA_HOST=0.0.0.0
ollama serve
This has been a game changer on my grid and I hope you guys will have fun with this.
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