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Good looking map tiles.
Hi all,
I'm looking for an easy way to generate good looking map tiles. The main usecase here is for textures for Val's awesome rental kiosks. For now - I have just grabbed the existing map tile (or just taken a screenshot of the map itself) but I have seen far better renditions elsewhere.
My investigations have led me to Warp3DImageModule with an understanding that it may have a memory leak and so not to use with refreshing tiles. As I have that set to never anyway and manually generate new images with "generate map" - that's not an issue for me.
However, as soon as I set that as the map module - the regions refuses to get past loading objects. It then just sits there forever (or at least too long). It seems that either the module is broken - or I need additional configuration that I can see no reference to.
Anyone know what's wrong with this module and/or have a solution for making a nice looking map tile?
Many thanks :)
I'm looking for an easy way to generate good looking map tiles. The main usecase here is for textures for Val's awesome rental kiosks. For now - I have just grabbed the existing map tile (or just taken a screenshot of the map itself) but I have seen far better renditions elsewhere.
My investigations have led me to Warp3DImageModule with an understanding that it may have a memory leak and so not to use with refreshing tiles. As I have that set to never anyway and manually generate new images with "generate map" - that's not an issue for me.
However, as soon as I set that as the map module - the regions refuses to get past loading objects. It then just sits there forever (or at least too long). It seems that either the module is broken - or I need additional configuration that I can see no reference to.
Anyone know what's wrong with this module and/or have a solution for making a nice looking map tile?
Many thanks :)
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Not sure I can help much, but what type of setup have you got? Dream Grid? Diva Distro? Osgrid? Other?
Its pretty easy to get the Warp3DImageModule working on Osgrid, but when I tried to get it working on a Diva standalone it didn't work. I think I had to enable a different set of service connectors, probably Setup_Warp3DImageModual. I didn't figure out how to enable it. After trying a few things I gave up.
On my Osgrid regions it works fine, but it does take an ungodly amount of time to render the map when you try and generate it. Often spits out lots of errors while trying to decode textures. So like you said, I have turned off auto generating of the map, and manually do it when I think its worth doing.
When your simulator gets stuck loading does it say anywhere in the spam "Generating Map", it could just be taking its time generating the map on startup. It can take 10 minutes or more depending on the situation.
I would love to get the nicer maps working on my Diva stand alone, so will keep an eye on this post to see if any smart people chip in with solutions.
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Its pretty easy to get the Warp3DImageModule working on Osgrid, but when I tried to get it working on a Diva standalone it didn't work. I think I had to enable a different set of service connectors, probably Setup_Warp3DImageModual. I didn't figure out how to enable it. After trying a few things I gave up.
On my Osgrid regions it works fine, but it does take an ungodly amount of time to render the map when you try and generate it. Often spits out lots of errors while trying to decode textures. So like you said, I have turned off auto generating of the map, and manually do it when I think its worth doing.
When your simulator gets stuck loading does it say anywhere in the spam "Generating Map", it could just be taking its time generating the map on startup. It can take 10 minutes or more depending on the situation.
I would love to get the nicer maps working on my Diva stand alone, so will keep an eye on this post to see if any smart people chip in with solutions.
Mine is running full grid mode on Linux with .Net. Its a standard so Robust and 56 Simulator instances with no "additions".
it MAY be that I just need to leave it longer on start up - but if its not set to autogenerate maps - then it shouldnt be doing THAT when it starts up. Will try it on an ocean region tomorrow probably just to see. When I tried it it just "sat there" after loading objects. No mention of generating map.
The console never came to a prompt - and the region never appeared in world. However I proably only left it for like 2-4 mins at that stage as I needed the region back up. Will try tomorrow on a region I can leave off for longer. If I know it works - I will do it on the other regions. 10 mins is ok for a one off and I'm not planning to do enough changes on the region to make this "out of date" badly. I may just get the images and use them for what I need and then revert the maps to the old ones even.
I may try it on my OSGrid regions and see there to see the difference.
Thanks for your input MrSnoodle :)
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it MAY be that I just need to leave it longer on start up - but if its not set to autogenerate maps - then it shouldnt be doing THAT when it starts up. Will try it on an ocean region tomorrow probably just to see. When I tried it it just "sat there" after loading objects. No mention of generating map.
The console never came to a prompt - and the region never appeared in world. However I proably only left it for like 2-4 mins at that stage as I needed the region back up. Will try tomorrow on a region I can leave off for longer. If I know it works - I will do it on the other regions. 10 mins is ok for a one off and I'm not planning to do enough changes on the region to make this "out of date" badly. I may just get the images and use them for what I need and then revert the maps to the old ones even.
I may try it on my OSGrid regions and see there to see the difference.
Thanks for your input MrSnoodle :)
I think you are right that something else is not configured properly, as you have map generation disabled, it should just start the simulator without generating the map. That is what mine does on Osgrid.
On my diva stand alone I tried changing the MyWorld.ini (Diva's version of opensim.ini) to how I have it set on Osgrid, but it just crashed out. I forget the error message, but it was unable to load something map related. I found a config file (DivaPreferences.ini) which had
Setup_Warp3DImageModule = "disabled"
I tried changing "disabled" to "enabled", "true" and none of that worked. So I gave up. This was 6 months ago, so I have forgotten the details. The Diva Distro is setup in a weird way that is easy to setup providing you don't want deviate from the defaults it provides.
There are so many config files that have so many interconnected modules that need to be set just right, and I just don't really know how to work it all out.
If you find the solution I would love to know. It might help me to figure out how to get it working on my Diva standalone.
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On my diva stand alone I tried changing the MyWorld.ini (Diva's version of opensim.ini) to how I have it set on Osgrid, but it just crashed out. I forget the error message, but it was unable to load something map related. I found a config file (DivaPreferences.ini) which had
Setup_Warp3DImageModule = "disabled"
I tried changing "disabled" to "enabled", "true" and none of that worked. So I gave up. This was 6 months ago, so I have forgotten the details. The Diva Distro is setup in a weird way that is easy to setup providing you don't want deviate from the defaults it provides.
There are so many config files that have so many interconnected modules that need to be set just right, and I just don't really know how to work it all out.
If you find the solution I would love to know. It might help me to figure out how to get it working on my Diva standalone.
Ok - well I think my initial issue was not expecting how long it would take!
It seems it DOES generate a map on startup - but hopefully not regularly as its set to 0 (and I probably wont KEEP it set to this anyway I just want nice tiles for putting in Val's rental map kiosk!). I tried it on a region without much (177 objects) - and it took around 6 mins to start up and had generated a tile (https://gyazo.com/620233ef34c19fd90ef4e1cfa44b6199). This was definately better than the normal one.
However in this case I had still set the option to attempt mapping mesh/sculptie to false (default) as it stands to reason that will make it much worse. So then I shut the region down and made that change and started it up again. This time it took a little longer I think (dammit I forgot to time it!). However it was definately an improvement and more usable (https://gyazo.com/02856bd7dd4279098e51cacc1c87f67d).
Compare these to the default tile (https://gyazo.com/74b9a39880c750e519acdf91a3b5dcb8) and I think these are great!!
I think then - that I just need to be more patient. This takes around 6-8 mins for a 4x4 with 177 objects (many are mesh)..... For my main regions with around 3000 objects - I think I can prepare and eat a 3 course dinner :D
All I did btw was enable it and set some options below and just "waited" all I was doing wrong yesterday was not realising quite how long it will take!!
[Map]
GenerateMaptiles = true
MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
MaptileRefresh = 0
TextureOnMapTile = true
DrawPrimOnMapTile = true
TexturePrims = true
TexturePrimSize = 48
RenderMeshes = true
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It seems it DOES generate a map on startup - but hopefully not regularly as its set to 0 (and I probably wont KEEP it set to this anyway I just want nice tiles for putting in Val's rental map kiosk!). I tried it on a region without much (177 objects) - and it took around 6 mins to start up and had generated a tile (https://gyazo.com/620233ef34c19fd90ef4e1cfa44b6199). This was definately better than the normal one.
However in this case I had still set the option to attempt mapping mesh/sculptie to false (default) as it stands to reason that will make it much worse. So then I shut the region down and made that change and started it up again. This time it took a little longer I think (dammit I forgot to time it!). However it was definately an improvement and more usable (https://gyazo.com/02856bd7dd4279098e51cacc1c87f67d).
Compare these to the default tile (https://gyazo.com/74b9a39880c750e519acdf91a3b5dcb8) and I think these are great!!
I think then - that I just need to be more patient. This takes around 6-8 mins for a 4x4 with 177 objects (many are mesh)..... For my main regions with around 3000 objects - I think I can prepare and eat a 3 course dinner :D
All I did btw was enable it and set some options below and just "waited" all I was doing wrong yesterday was not realising quite how long it will take!!
[Map]
GenerateMaptiles = true
MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
MaptileRefresh = 0
TextureOnMapTile = true
DrawPrimOnMapTile = true
TexturePrims = true
TexturePrimSize = 48
RenderMeshes = true
That's great, glad you got it working.
I have GenerateMaptiles = false
That way it just starts the simulator nice and quickly, and when I feel like updating the map tile I just type: generate map.
I just need to figure out how to enable it properly on my Diva standalone. Some service connector shenanigans in a config file that baffle me no end. I'm sure it has something to do with:
Setup_Warp3DImageModule = "disabled"
But what do I change to enable it though. I tried "enabled" and "true"
I can't find any useful documentation about it.
oh well at least you got it to work :)
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I have GenerateMaptiles = false
That way it just starts the simulator nice and quickly, and when I feel like updating the map tile I just type: generate map.
I just need to figure out how to enable it properly on my Diva standalone. Some service connector shenanigans in a config file that baffle me no end. I'm sure it has something to do with:
Setup_Warp3DImageModule = "disabled"
But what do I change to enable it though. I tried "enabled" and "true"
I can't find any useful documentation about it.
oh well at least you got it to work :)
Ok - so an update. IT worked on my small 177 object region. It worked on a larger 900+ object region (results were awesome there tbh) - but on one of my main regions with over 3000 objects.... it falls over with a helpful "killed" message.
Before that - the simulator was using 100% of the cpu assigned to it - but thats not a problem - and the server was using 25GB of the 32GB assigned to it. Never went out of memory that I saw. It just falls over.
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Before that - the simulator was using 100% of the cpu assigned to it - but thats not a problem - and the server was using 25GB of the 32GB assigned to it. Never went out of memory that I saw. It just falls over.
Yeah - got a lot like that but followed up with the statement "killed" and dumped back at the CLI. Turning of Mesh calculation on it - then will reduce other options and see what it takes to get it working.
Handy tip on the "false" will try that.
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Handy tip on the "false" will try that.
Weird that false did that for you. Mine is set that way on my osgrid region and it just loads up without generating anything.
This is my settings.
GenerateMaptiles = false
MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
MaptileRefresh = 0 (is commented out)
TextureOnMapTile = true
DrawPrimOnMaptile = true
TexturePrims = true
TexturePrimSize = 48
RenderMeshes = true
The rest of the mapColor options are commented out
my 3x3 sim with 13k objects takes about 10 minutes, but never really timed it.
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This is my settings.
GenerateMaptiles = false
MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
MaptileRefresh = 0 (is commented out)
TextureOnMapTile = true
DrawPrimOnMaptile = true
TexturePrims = true
TexturePrimSize = 48
RenderMeshes = true
The rest of the mapColor options are commented out
my 3x3 sim with 13k objects takes about 10 minutes, but never really timed it.
So - took 45 mins - but finally got a result without it attempting mesh/sculpties. Grabbed the texture so I can use it in the Map Kiosk for the rentals.
Unfortunately the GenerateMaptiles = false throws a wobbly and crashes with invalid format. With it set to 0, it DOES regenerate the map every time it restarts (although doesnt regenerate periodically). Unfortunately while 45 mins load time may be acceptable to generate a map tile - its not for normal use. I guess I could grab the tiles and then have static tiles but thats too much work for me.
I'm reverting to the "normal" map generation once I've got the textures I want for my kiosks then. It's been an interesting experience though.
Not sure if the Warp3D is new or been around for a long time. It's a shame it is not as usable as would be nice but it's still nice to have for special things.
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Unfortunately the GenerateMaptiles = false throws a wobbly and crashes with invalid format. With it set to 0, it DOES regenerate the map every time it restarts (although doesnt regenerate periodically). Unfortunately while 45 mins load time may be acceptable to generate a map tile - its not for normal use. I guess I could grab the tiles and then have static tiles but thats too much work for me.
I'm reverting to the "normal" map generation once I've got the textures I want for my kiosks then. It's been an interesting experience though.
Not sure if the Warp3D is new or been around for a long time. It's a shame it is not as usable as would be nice but it's still nice to have for special things.