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I was unable to reply to Luna it said the comments were maxed out so I will just close my comments by saying this, if it is viewed on a PC it can be copied, regardless if it is a grid running on a home pc or not. If ran on a home pc and not a hosted server you feel there is more risk to the contents in your suitcase? The only way a grid owner could get into the suitcase is if the person was a "member" of the grid and not a visitor Luna, and they don't! You are planting seeds of doubt. I think it would surprise you to know that many of the grids you visit are DreamGrids, enjoy your day.
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I know exactly who is running the larger instances of outworldz, and I have stores on two of them. The list can found here, but it is not exhaustive: https://www.outworldz.com/Hyperica/gridswide.htm
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That list is just those chose to publicize their grid. For an exact count there have been 3,748 of them since April 2020, which is over 90% of the grids EVER in use, anywhere.
DreamGrids suitcase may be set to on or off, which is a grid owners choice. Just like OsGrid, which has it off. It takes a lot of effort to extract UUIDS from visitor inventories. The people who have these skills are usually running linux. But it is just a click to save an entire region to disk, so likely no one bothers to do what you fear. I seriously doubt anyone has detected things they made suddenly leaking out of inventory.
Since DreamGrid is essentially stock Opensim, they are no more or less secure than most grids running Opensim. The serious security issue is not in Home computers or Windows, but the severe issues in some versions of Opensim, especially on Linux, where anyone can read the hard drive or your LAN, such as /etc/password or /etc/shadow. This is still on the loose everywhere in many of the Linux grids. The last fix from DreamGrid ( thanks, Marianna, who reported it) is to stop people from placing Russian flags or obscene images on your map.
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DreamGrids suitcase may be set to on or off, which is a grid owners choice. Just like OsGrid, which has it off. It takes a lot of effort to extract UUIDS from visitor inventories. The people who have these skills are usually running linux. But it is just a click to save an entire region to disk, so likely no one bothers to do what you fear. I seriously doubt anyone has detected things they made suddenly leaking out of inventory.
Since DreamGrid is essentially stock Opensim, they are no more or less secure than most grids running Opensim. The serious security issue is not in Home computers or Windows, but the severe issues in some versions of Opensim, especially on Linux, where anyone can read the hard drive or your LAN, such as /etc/password or /etc/shadow. This is still on the loose everywhere in many of the Linux grids. The last fix from DreamGrid ( thanks, Marianna, who reported it) is to stop people from placing Russian flags or obscene images on your map.
Hey Joe yeah I'm running 10 servers now on Linux with 11 robust servers and 573 regions (4x4) joined together. TBH I've been running Linux servers for a lot of years. My asset storage is in Object Storage rather than normal filesystem storage which gives me about a petabyte (expandable) of space for the assets. My whole grid is pretty much driven from databases. So to fire up another robust server I just add a line to a database table, same with region creation/maintenance.
Furball to the rescue.
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Furball to the rescue.
I love how you've set up your grid Lone and how well it works. So glad I set up regions there. Plus I can drop out a spacecraft and fly continuously across 500+ regions.
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I love a big region, Being solely I build things to scale. But driving or flying with our horrible Physics is no fun. If you can not enjoy a 64 region Var than why bother. Steam hosts some great games with powerful physics.
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Nice, But most grids big and small use Dreamworldz which is a plug and play most everything is optimized to the fullest. No need really to be overwhelmed with status its all done behind the scenes.
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It's extremely rare that I will visit a Dreamworldz grid. I literally have to empty my suitcase first and hope that my inventory is still safe
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I find that a bit hilarious. Firstly most of your inventory is items found on free 3d sites that you modify with a texture or part and then sell it. Most of Opensim is free and open, true but that does not mean that just by visiting a Dream Grid you would fear everything in your suitcase is stolen?
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You find it hilarious, I don't. Secondly, if you think I only sell stuff from 3D sites then build one of my venues yourself. I find your remarks offensive
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I find what you are saying hilarious your items are found free at many of the 3d sites that is what is hilarious you fear losing what you found FREE, and it can be easily obtained again why fear? I run a DreamGrid and when people visit my grid there is no way I can get into their suitcase, none!! It is more likely the visitor will bot my region!
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I've always considered you a friend and a respected fellow creator in Opensim, and have always supported your work. It's because of this I find your remarks particularly hurtful. My opinion about dreamgrids have nothing to do with you, since I have visited yours multiple times knowing what it was. I trusted you. But instead of having an honest discussion you attack and belittle my work.
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I have supported and purchased your work. I still buy to support you. Your comment offended me because I am a DreamGrid owner and your comment causes people to doubt DreamGrid. My intention was never to "hurt" you for that I apologize, Luna, I am simply trying to point out that the "fear" you have is unwarranted on a few levels. Firstly it is true you modify the free items you have so that "fear" of losing it is what I found a bit funny sorry - why fear that when it was found freely-can easily be obtained again. It is a fact, how does that demean your work? By saying you sell it? You do. The second is that you are giving people a false impression of DreamGrid which is offensive to me and many other DreamGrid owners here at OSW. Your comment led to my comment we offended each other. Person suitcase contents cannot be stolen by visiting a DreamGrid. I am also offended because I for one know how tirelessly Fred Beckhusen works to make the Dream Grids not only reliable but safe as possible. It is not fair that you painted Dream Grid owners with such a broad brushstroke, being an artist such as you are.
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To be honest, I don't think my main issue with dreamgrids has as much to do with my opensim content as it has to do with the fact that most of these are running on someone's personal equipment. Many like you I'm sure have taken extraordinary steps to protect your systems from outside intervention, but there are literally thousands of these small grids running on personal computers that are not well protected and that can potentially expose users of those systems. I understand that no servers, no matter how big, are invulnerable, but I prefer to take my chances with those I know have gone to extensive lengths to protect the security of everyone that visits their system. Fred has produced a powerful and elegant solution for users that don't want to shoulder the expense of remote servers, but his program does not protect a personal system from outside negative influences.
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Yes - it does depend on how many regions you're running as well. I have 573 and 11 robust servers... then it makes a difference.
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Yeah I think these are the same people that said it was wrong to use object storage and use VPS's to run opensim. VPS's are far easier to manage, all mine are snapshotted every hour, 2tb ssds 60gb ram 10 cores. Let's just say the grid is fast. I have 10 of them.
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