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OSGrid admins classify questions about privacy as trolling
Following conversation resulted me being grid banned from OSGrid based on my MAC address.
Foxx gave me permission to share this with everyone since he thinks that any conversation between to people in IM can be shared with others.
My apologies for my emotional outburst at the end.
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[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : hey
[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : question
[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : is the chat log logged in LBSA?
[2023/05/19 10:04] KaiShun.Oleander : and if so, in what way have people given permission for that?
[2023/05/19 10:05] Foxx Bode: No, and even if we wanted to, we don't need permission. You're in America, not on an EU server or anything under GDPR (which doesn't exist there).
[2023/05/19 10:06] KaiShun.Oleander : Texas law also states that permission is required for that.
[2023/05/19 10:06] Foxx Bode: Yes, that's where the entity is located, the grid is in Canada.
[2023/05/19 10:06] KaiShun.Oleander : and the TOS states that only things necessary for technical purposes are logged.
[2023/05/19 10:07] Foxx Bode: But we don't keep logs of conversations, only technical data.
[2023/05/19 10:07] KaiShun.Oleander : so the grid falls under Texas law.
[2023/05/19 10:07] KaiShun.Oleander : if there are no logs and IMs are also not allowed to be copied, then how is it possible that people are banned based on what they said?
[2023/05/19 10:08] Foxx Bode: Nowhere does it say that a user can't store the data you send them.
[2023/05/19 10:08] KaiShun.Oleander : I didn't send anything.
[2023/05/19 10:08] KaiShun.Oleander : it's something said in public.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : and even there, permission must be given to log it.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: If I copy this IM, your text is there, or am I crazy?
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: I don't need your permission, you sent it to me yourself, right?
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : you can't give it to anyone else without my permission.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: Nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : not nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: yes, it is nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : no.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : not nonsense :)
[2023/05/19 10:10] KaiShun.Oleander : any conversation, whether it's email, chat, or phone, is private.
[2023/05/19 10:10] KaiShun.Oleander : it's none of a third party's business.
[2023/05/19 10:10] Foxx Bode: Nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : storing phone conversations is also not allowed.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : why do you think it's nonsense?
[2023/05/19 10:11] Foxx Bode: I really don't know what kind of world you live in. Try threatening Rutte on the phone and see how right you are and for how long...
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : that's different.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : there, one interest outweighs another.
[2023/05/19 10:12] KaiShun.Oleander : but a normal conversation is not allowed.
[2023/05/19 10:12] Foxx Bode: No, that's a private conversation according to you. What someone else might perceive as offensive or threatening.
[2023/05/19 10:12] KaiShun.Oleander : I can find anything offensive.
[2023/05/19 10:13] KaiShun.Oleander : I can find this conversation offensive because you're talking nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:13] Foxx Bode: So your comparison doesn't quite hold up. But what's your problem? Because every time I see you here, you have something to ask or tell about the rules here?
[2023/05/19 10:13] KaiShun.Oleander : and what's wrong with my questions?
[2023/05/19 10:16] Foxx Bode: It seems like you're coming here to troll people. And I wouldn't keep doing that for too long.
[2023/05/19 10:16] KaiShun.Oleander : so my questions are trolling to you?
[2023/05/19 10:16] KaiShun.Oleander : you're not right in the head.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : that's exactly what annoys me.
[2023/05/19 10:17] Foxx Bode: No, but I also talk to other admins, greeters, and people who are here regularly.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : everything that people don't like or find annoying is dismissed as trolling.
[2023/05/19 10:17] Foxx Bode: And they report that some hypergrid user is explaining the rules to them here. I think we've talked about this before, I believe.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : there's only one admin here regularly, and that's Dan.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : that's not me.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : I've never had a conversation with Dan about rules.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : except for the N-word.
[2023/05/19 10:19] KaiShun.Oleander : there are no other regular admins here.
[2023/05/19 10:20] Foxx Bode: I'm here every day, just like almost all the admins. You may not be aware of it :)
[2023/05/19 10:21] KaiShun.Oleander : the point is, I'm not that hyper user who explains your rules.
[2023/05/19 10:21] KaiShun.Oleander : but I'll keep my questions to myself.
[2023/05/19 10:22] KaiShun.Oleander : apparently, you can't handle them.
[2023/05/19 10:23] Foxx Bode: Usually, I can handle them, but when it starts to look like trolling, I have very little patience.
[2023/05/19 10:23] KaiShun.Oleander : bye :)
[2023/05/19 10:24] Foxx Bode: Well, if you don't like it here, why don't you go sit on your own grid?
[2023/05/19 10:24] Foxx Bode: You can make as many rules as you want there.
[2023/05/19 10:24] KaiShun.Oleander : I don't need your advice, Foxx.
[2023/05/19 10:24] KaiShun.Oleander : always the same answer from owners.
[2023/05/19 10:25] KaiShun.Oleander : if you don't like it, you can fuck off.
[2023/05/19 10:25] KaiShun.Oleander : a cliché response.
[2023/05/19 10:25] Foxx Bode: I'm not an owner, I'm a volunteer...
[2023/05/19 10:26] Foxx Bode: And indeed, we often have reasons for what we do, and if you don't like the system, that's fine, but then build your own.
[2023/05/19 10:28] Foxx Bode: But let me tell you this, if I see complaints involving your name again, this was our last conversation.
[2023/05/19 10:28] KaiShun.Oleander : f** you :)
[2023/05/19 10:29] Foxx Bode: Fine.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : yeah
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : narrow-minded.
[2023/05/19 10:29] Foxx Bode: Do you have anything else to say? loser
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : no.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : oh yeah.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : f** you :)
[2023/05/19 10:30] Foxx Bode: Great. loser....
Foxx gave me permission to share this with everyone since he thinks that any conversation between to people in IM can be shared with others.
My apologies for my emotional outburst at the end.
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[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : hey
[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : question
[2023/05/19 10:03] KaiShun.Oleander : is the chat log logged in LBSA?
[2023/05/19 10:04] KaiShun.Oleander : and if so, in what way have people given permission for that?
[2023/05/19 10:05] Foxx Bode: No, and even if we wanted to, we don't need permission. You're in America, not on an EU server or anything under GDPR (which doesn't exist there).
[2023/05/19 10:06] KaiShun.Oleander : Texas law also states that permission is required for that.
[2023/05/19 10:06] Foxx Bode: Yes, that's where the entity is located, the grid is in Canada.
[2023/05/19 10:06] KaiShun.Oleander : and the TOS states that only things necessary for technical purposes are logged.
[2023/05/19 10:07] Foxx Bode: But we don't keep logs of conversations, only technical data.
[2023/05/19 10:07] KaiShun.Oleander : so the grid falls under Texas law.
[2023/05/19 10:07] KaiShun.Oleander : if there are no logs and IMs are also not allowed to be copied, then how is it possible that people are banned based on what they said?
[2023/05/19 10:08] Foxx Bode: Nowhere does it say that a user can't store the data you send them.
[2023/05/19 10:08] KaiShun.Oleander : I didn't send anything.
[2023/05/19 10:08] KaiShun.Oleander : it's something said in public.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : and even there, permission must be given to log it.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: If I copy this IM, your text is there, or am I crazy?
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: I don't need your permission, you sent it to me yourself, right?
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : you can't give it to anyone else without my permission.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: Nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : not nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] Foxx Bode: yes, it is nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : no.
[2023/05/19 10:09] KaiShun.Oleander : not nonsense :)
[2023/05/19 10:10] KaiShun.Oleander : any conversation, whether it's email, chat, or phone, is private.
[2023/05/19 10:10] KaiShun.Oleander : it's none of a third party's business.
[2023/05/19 10:10] Foxx Bode: Nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : storing phone conversations is also not allowed.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : why do you think it's nonsense?
[2023/05/19 10:11] Foxx Bode: I really don't know what kind of world you live in. Try threatening Rutte on the phone and see how right you are and for how long...
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : that's different.
[2023/05/19 10:11] KaiShun.Oleander : there, one interest outweighs another.
[2023/05/19 10:12] KaiShun.Oleander : but a normal conversation is not allowed.
[2023/05/19 10:12] Foxx Bode: No, that's a private conversation according to you. What someone else might perceive as offensive or threatening.
[2023/05/19 10:12] KaiShun.Oleander : I can find anything offensive.
[2023/05/19 10:13] KaiShun.Oleander : I can find this conversation offensive because you're talking nonsense.
[2023/05/19 10:13] Foxx Bode: So your comparison doesn't quite hold up. But what's your problem? Because every time I see you here, you have something to ask or tell about the rules here?
[2023/05/19 10:13] KaiShun.Oleander : and what's wrong with my questions?
[2023/05/19 10:16] Foxx Bode: It seems like you're coming here to troll people. And I wouldn't keep doing that for too long.
[2023/05/19 10:16] KaiShun.Oleander : so my questions are trolling to you?
[2023/05/19 10:16] KaiShun.Oleander : you're not right in the head.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : that's exactly what annoys me.
[2023/05/19 10:17] Foxx Bode: No, but I also talk to other admins, greeters, and people who are here regularly.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : everything that people don't like or find annoying is dismissed as trolling.
[2023/05/19 10:17] Foxx Bode: And they report that some hypergrid user is explaining the rules to them here. I think we've talked about this before, I believe.
[2023/05/19 10:17] KaiShun.Oleander : there's only one admin here regularly, and that's Dan.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : that's not me.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : I've never had a conversation with Dan about rules.
[2023/05/19 10:18] KaiShun.Oleander : except for the N-word.
[2023/05/19 10:19] KaiShun.Oleander : there are no other regular admins here.
[2023/05/19 10:20] Foxx Bode: I'm here every day, just like almost all the admins. You may not be aware of it :)
[2023/05/19 10:21] KaiShun.Oleander : the point is, I'm not that hyper user who explains your rules.
[2023/05/19 10:21] KaiShun.Oleander : but I'll keep my questions to myself.
[2023/05/19 10:22] KaiShun.Oleander : apparently, you can't handle them.
[2023/05/19 10:23] Foxx Bode: Usually, I can handle them, but when it starts to look like trolling, I have very little patience.
[2023/05/19 10:23] KaiShun.Oleander : bye :)
[2023/05/19 10:24] Foxx Bode: Well, if you don't like it here, why don't you go sit on your own grid?
[2023/05/19 10:24] Foxx Bode: You can make as many rules as you want there.
[2023/05/19 10:24] KaiShun.Oleander : I don't need your advice, Foxx.
[2023/05/19 10:24] KaiShun.Oleander : always the same answer from owners.
[2023/05/19 10:25] KaiShun.Oleander : if you don't like it, you can fuck off.
[2023/05/19 10:25] KaiShun.Oleander : a cliché response.
[2023/05/19 10:25] Foxx Bode: I'm not an owner, I'm a volunteer...
[2023/05/19 10:26] Foxx Bode: And indeed, we often have reasons for what we do, and if you don't like the system, that's fine, but then build your own.
[2023/05/19 10:28] Foxx Bode: But let me tell you this, if I see complaints involving your name again, this was our last conversation.
[2023/05/19 10:28] KaiShun.Oleander : f** you :)
[2023/05/19 10:29] Foxx Bode: Fine.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : yeah
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : narrow-minded.
[2023/05/19 10:29] Foxx Bode: Do you have anything else to say? loser
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : no.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : oh yeah.
[2023/05/19 10:29] KaiShun.Oleander : f** you :)
[2023/05/19 10:30] Foxx Bode: Great. loser....
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