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I think that the fact that Medium has taken the article down says a lot in and of itself and everyone should be taking a step-back, turning the "save the children" pearl- clutching histrionics down to a 5-6 level instead of 11.
Go about your day, eat some good food. Enjoy life.
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Go about your day, eat some good food. Enjoy life.
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Yes indeed, you should share this with some of your residents. If you can't say something nice, you don't need to say anything at all. Live and let live.
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And, as one could predict, the story is getting legs and traveling:
https://www.themetaculture.co/what-on-earth-is-going-on-wi...
A lot of the discussion here seems focused on ageplay in general (and for some strange reason, a lot of people seem focused on female breastsize):
The ageplay claim in the article are pretty atrocious, but that in and of itself should not be the issue. Look at the bigger picture here.
The issue is not that ageplay was occurring. Anyone who has spent more than six minutes in SL knows this exists and has existed. The real ugliness in this story (IF TRUE, which is very important to state right now) is that the guy basically in charge of running the Second Life side of Linden Lab, was not only involved in massive ageplay, but was running a system that was sweeping up a lot of innocent people and some not so innocent and banning them for what he himself was doing on a massive level! Once Ebbe passed and Oz Linden left, Second Life pretty much fell under Patch Linden, so this is not some low level manager here. And is it possible to believe that this was occurring and NO ONE else at LL management was aware of it? Possible I guess, but hard to imagine.
Also, even if you take away ALL the accusations of ageplay in the virtual world, i would argue that the other claims in the story are much worse than any virtual ageplay. I don't know about anyone else, but i dont want to be a part of a virtual world were the employees in charge of keeping it going are being harassed and having their jobs threatened and GOING HOME WITH BRUISES on them!. For me, that is far worse than any ageplay accusation and, again, how could it not have been known?
We certainly need to wait and see how much of these accusations, ifany, are real, but Patch and Loki are both wiping out all their Twitter/X accounts, as well as Instagram and Flikr accounts. That does not look good. Nor does Linden Lab saying it is going to investigate itself. That never works ...and also makes me think that this stuff was not going on in a vacuum.
For me, the ageplay is not the problem, but a biproduct of the real problem which is a huge fucking amount of hypocracy on the part of LL, especially in their management of SL. Also as bad is the possible workplace abuse that employees MAY have experienced.
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https://www.themetaculture.co/what-on-earth-is-going-on-wi...
A lot of the discussion here seems focused on ageplay in general (and for some strange reason, a lot of people seem focused on female breastsize):
The ageplay claim in the article are pretty atrocious, but that in and of itself should not be the issue. Look at the bigger picture here.
The issue is not that ageplay was occurring. Anyone who has spent more than six minutes in SL knows this exists and has existed. The real ugliness in this story (IF TRUE, which is very important to state right now) is that the guy basically in charge of running the Second Life side of Linden Lab, was not only involved in massive ageplay, but was running a system that was sweeping up a lot of innocent people and some not so innocent and banning them for what he himself was doing on a massive level! Once Ebbe passed and Oz Linden left, Second Life pretty much fell under Patch Linden, so this is not some low level manager here. And is it possible to believe that this was occurring and NO ONE else at LL management was aware of it? Possible I guess, but hard to imagine.
Also, even if you take away ALL the accusations of ageplay in the virtual world, i would argue that the other claims in the story are much worse than any virtual ageplay. I don't know about anyone else, but i dont want to be a part of a virtual world were the employees in charge of keeping it going are being harassed and having their jobs threatened and GOING HOME WITH BRUISES on them!. For me, that is far worse than any ageplay accusation and, again, how could it not have been known?
We certainly need to wait and see how much of these accusations, ifany, are real, but Patch and Loki are both wiping out all their Twitter/X accounts, as well as Instagram and Flikr accounts. That does not look good. Nor does Linden Lab saying it is going to investigate itself. That never works ...and also makes me think that this stuff was not going on in a vacuum.
For me, the ageplay is not the problem, but a biproduct of the real problem which is a huge fucking amount of hypocracy on the part of LL, especially in their management of SL. Also as bad is the possible workplace abuse that employees MAY have experienced.
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I agree with Sally, it looks really amazing. The pics are great but everyone should go look in person.
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I am not a huge fan of her music per se, but i don't see how anyone can not admire what she has overcome and achieved.
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This article, if true, is VERY disturbing and every claim seems well researched and documented. Also, if it proves to be accurate, LL has no one to blame but themselves.
Personally, i have no problem with young or child like avatars. (The really small looking ones with the giant heads creep me the hell out, but to each his own. If someone wants to make their avi look young, then great. I see it as no different than being a furry or robot or whatever you want to be. I try to be respectful to everyone and their right to have the virtual life they want for themself. A young looking avatar is not an issue. Even a young looking naked avitar in and of itself is not an issue... but don't be showing up in bondage gear and giving out oral sex. Then we have a problem.
As I said, I think LL has only themselves to blame here. Their TOS has been so overwritten yet extremely vague on this issue for years. The end result is people who are behaving badly can skirt by (especially if they are Lindens apparently) and a lot of innocent people get swepped up in what is a very vague and unmodertated system.
If LL wanted to, they could solve this problem easily. There are "adult" virtual worlds that do it all the time. I think you would need to take two, possibly three, steps:
1. Fix the broken height slider, which has been off wrong from the get-go anyway. Set a standard ACCURATE height and don't let allow only minimal adjustment either way. That largely fixes the problem AND makes for a better all-around experience. No small mesh bodies like Tweenster or mesh body workarounds are allowed. I hate that, but I don't see a way around it at this point.
2. Throw out the long and vague wording in the TOS on the subject and make it clear and simple: "Any representation of a person engaging in sexual activity with an underage person, either visual or text, is prohibited. Any possession of or display of such a representation is also prohibited".
3. Bring back the youth grid for people who are under 18 in RL.
Done.
This article is going to draw a lot of bad attention to SL. I am sure their owners at the hedge fund and JPMorgan are not happy and the fact that LL is a registered financial institution will add gas to this fire. That makes me sad because overall SL is a wonderful place full of wonderful people, just like OS is. As I have shown the solutions are pretty easy to fix, but only if someone really wants to fix them.
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Personally, i have no problem with young or child like avatars. (The really small looking ones with the giant heads creep me the hell out, but to each his own. If someone wants to make their avi look young, then great. I see it as no different than being a furry or robot or whatever you want to be. I try to be respectful to everyone and their right to have the virtual life they want for themself. A young looking avatar is not an issue. Even a young looking naked avitar in and of itself is not an issue... but don't be showing up in bondage gear and giving out oral sex. Then we have a problem.
As I said, I think LL has only themselves to blame here. Their TOS has been so overwritten yet extremely vague on this issue for years. The end result is people who are behaving badly can skirt by (especially if they are Lindens apparently) and a lot of innocent people get swepped up in what is a very vague and unmodertated system.
If LL wanted to, they could solve this problem easily. There are "adult" virtual worlds that do it all the time. I think you would need to take two, possibly three, steps:
1. Fix the broken height slider, which has been off wrong from the get-go anyway. Set a standard ACCURATE height and don't let allow only minimal adjustment either way. That largely fixes the problem AND makes for a better all-around experience. No small mesh bodies like Tweenster or mesh body workarounds are allowed. I hate that, but I don't see a way around it at this point.
2. Throw out the long and vague wording in the TOS on the subject and make it clear and simple: "Any representation of a person engaging in sexual activity with an underage person, either visual or text, is prohibited. Any possession of or display of such a representation is also prohibited".
3. Bring back the youth grid for people who are under 18 in RL.
Done.
This article is going to draw a lot of bad attention to SL. I am sure their owners at the hedge fund and JPMorgan are not happy and the fact that LL is a registered financial institution will add gas to this fire. That makes me sad because overall SL is a wonderful place full of wonderful people, just like OS is. As I have shown the solutions are pretty easy to fix, but only if someone really wants to fix them.
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It is my experience that partnerships, either romantic or mere friendships can be hard at all times, and even harder in virtual worlds.I am sorry for the sad feeling, but just remember that those feelings come from something that was good. You are a good soul. Hugs to you and Monkey.
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So much fun!! I really like your new build. Just like a shopping mall. The cleaning girl is even driving her sweeper around =) hank you for all the great new items.
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Looks great. i came by Wizardy, but could not find the tarot table... but i will be back to look more!
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Beautiful thoughts Jeanne and thank you for sharing. You might not remember, but you showed me great kindness during my first few days in OS. That is a good person and is shows in all you create. Just keep being YOU and don't worry about the others.
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The textures on this are so well done. i can't imagine a setting where this bed would not fit. Thank you for the hard work you put into this. Aslo, take your damn boots off when you get in bed! Were you raised in a barn?
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Congratulations on your marraige! Thanks you for taking the time to bring these skins to the guys!
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Thank you for trying to bring some much-needed logic to what seems to be a very uninformed and narrow minded discussion, though I think it will be wasted energy and I tend to agree with Panthera that this is really the wrong place for such topics. We are all better served if this page is kept focused on information related to OSGrid.
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