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The lack of decent hair bases in OS is crazy. Should be fairly easy to do, but no one is doing. Guys get screwd so bad in OSgrid... and it shows. Have you tried the Silverfox store? They havea set of some newer male bases
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The lack of decent hair bases in OS is crazy. Should be fairly easy to do, but no one is doing. Guys get screwd so bad in OSgrid... and it shows. Have you ried the Silverfo store Jerra?
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Shogun is SO good! I can see how it would be inspiring. Thank you for sharing that link and good luck on those buildings!
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Thank you Soda! It has to do with cutting the roof to bring in parts, utilizing a script that reduces vertices something like that, Ferd explained it I have yet to dive in and try it I have been so busy with all the other fun details like clothes, shoes and landscaping lol
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A great resource for starting creators like myself with lots of "must have" scripts and textures organized in a way that is easy to navigate. Also great to see more textures with specular maps making it into OS!
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Thank you, I had a choice of opening it up now as a work in progress or to keep building with it closed to public. I like it open so people can see it evolve.
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Indeed! That shows you how bad the SL system for land ownership has become. Sure, land rental in SL comes with many more assets that OS does not... cloud systems, enhanced lighting and you can actually get an IM to someone on the other end of the map, but even that stuff does not come close to justifying the HUGE gouging that is going on. The pricetag is so high in SL, that anything not purely prophet drive, (Like your wonderful church for example!) Are nearly impossible to accomplish in SL
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What a great ride! Thank you for all the great things that you create and share with everyone.
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Very true Snik. Wise words. These worlds should be growing, and not a diminishing resource. Wishing for the destruction of something is the wrong way to go. And it is always good to be a bit skeptical about those "pillars" and just use your own two eyes and the common sense that hopefully exists between our two ears.
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Heh. Guess what Glenn? My facts are on the money.
**"Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P"**
No, I did not mean "Phil", I meant Patch. If I meant Phil, I would have said Phil. If you have read the now pulled article or knew who was overseeing the SL wing of LL, then you should be able to grasp that.
Also, not a liberal by any means. I am a Reagan Republican from a deep red state. I just have some common sense and don't see political conspiracies attached to every mundane issue. So that makes you 0-2 in the assumption department.
Now lets look at what we DO agree on. We both agree that LL and specifically the SL wing has been grossly mismanaged, and we also seem to agree that their policies have been abused more than once by their team for no good reason than to settle some scores or silence people who do not agree with them.
Where we diverge is the notion or hope that there will be some sort of huge damage suffered by LL over what is slowly amounting to a really bad HR issue. Some people are going to get fired, if they have not already. That and about 3,000 more words to the SL TOS will likely be the end of it. Also, it is pretty weak sauce to complain about LL doing something and then turning around and doing the exact same thing, but you do you.
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**"Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P"**
No, I did not mean "Phil", I meant Patch. If I meant Phil, I would have said Phil. If you have read the now pulled article or knew who was overseeing the SL wing of LL, then you should be able to grasp that.
Also, not a liberal by any means. I am a Reagan Republican from a deep red state. I just have some common sense and don't see political conspiracies attached to every mundane issue. So that makes you 0-2 in the assumption department.
Now lets look at what we DO agree on. We both agree that LL and specifically the SL wing has been grossly mismanaged, and we also seem to agree that their policies have been abused more than once by their team for no good reason than to settle some scores or silence people who do not agree with them.
Where we diverge is the notion or hope that there will be some sort of huge damage suffered by LL over what is slowly amounting to a really bad HR issue. Some people are going to get fired, if they have not already. That and about 3,000 more words to the SL TOS will likely be the end of it. Also, it is pretty weak sauce to complain about LL doing something and then turning around and doing the exact same thing, but you do you.
I don't know about the damage aspect. I still believe it could be pretty significant for LL, or it could end up being a nothingburger.
Consider that Tilia is a valuable property in and of itself ... will it's reputation be harmed by 'association' with an organisation which is experiencing some really bad PR on a very hot-button topic? That has to be a big worry for the powers that be in (and above) LL.
I've had several communications from shops discussing getting rid of Caspervend, one of them as recently as 4 days ago ... so it appears that concern hasn't died down. And if that IS still a topic of enough significance still, then I have to wonder what other discussions are going on in SL at the moment. I don't know if it's just going to go away.
The other issue is the (non) statement from LL. On the various forums that are discussing this issue, the overwhelming sentiment is that Oberwager's statement was without any meaningful content, and many are taking that to mean that LL are trying to cover up the whole problem, and sweep it under the table.
Add the fact that the original article might have been taken down, but the archives at https://archive.is/https://medium.com/@dantesedmond1844/th... aren't going anywhere.
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Consider that Tilia is a valuable property in and of itself ... will it's reputation be harmed by 'association' with an organisation which is experiencing some really bad PR on a very hot-button topic? That has to be a big worry for the powers that be in (and above) LL.
I've had several communications from shops discussing getting rid of Caspervend, one of them as recently as 4 days ago ... so it appears that concern hasn't died down. And if that IS still a topic of enough significance still, then I have to wonder what other discussions are going on in SL at the moment. I don't know if it's just going to go away.
The other issue is the (non) statement from LL. On the various forums that are discussing this issue, the overwhelming sentiment is that Oberwager's statement was without any meaningful content, and many are taking that to mean that LL are trying to cover up the whole problem, and sweep it under the table.
Add the fact that the original article might have been taken down, but the archives at https://archive.is/https://medium.com/@dantesedmond1844/th... aren't going anywhere.
Interesting that you brought up Caspervend. They seem to have suffered the most damage of anyone (that we know of) due to the original article, and I agree that could be a big "in-world" issue. That should be concerning because any link between them and all the claims being made are pretty vague and not corroborated by anything.
Tilla itself will be largely unaffected by any of this. It is pretty well inoculated from the SL wing at LL, largely because it is required to be by law. Linden Lab is a Tier 1 financial institution, and it i supported by JP Morgan. 70% of its office is focused on Tillia. Anything I have read suggests there is a staff of 10-15 people who actually deal with SL on a daily basis. It mainly runs on auto-pilot, which is probably what results in this big problem and many more issues that others have mentioned on this thread. If you have ever called to try to get help at LL you understand a lot of the problem.
And yes, the internet being what it is, the article will NEVER vanish, but the fact that Medium felt there was enough problem with it to pull should speak volumes. And no, there is no confirmation that it was written by a current or former employee at LL.
Here is one of the best posts i have been following on all this. The author is no LL cheerleader, but he points out the serious flaws in the original claim and points to why a lot of these claims are probably not actionable.
https://3dblogger.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2024/02/is-t...
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Tilla itself will be largely unaffected by any of this. It is pretty well inoculated from the SL wing at LL, largely because it is required to be by law. Linden Lab is a Tier 1 financial institution, and it i supported by JP Morgan. 70% of its office is focused on Tillia. Anything I have read suggests there is a staff of 10-15 people who actually deal with SL on a daily basis. It mainly runs on auto-pilot, which is probably what results in this big problem and many more issues that others have mentioned on this thread. If you have ever called to try to get help at LL you understand a lot of the problem.
And yes, the internet being what it is, the article will NEVER vanish, but the fact that Medium felt there was enough problem with it to pull should speak volumes. And no, there is no confirmation that it was written by a current or former employee at LL.
Here is one of the best posts i have been following on all this. The author is no LL cheerleader, but he points out the serious flaws in the original claim and points to why a lot of these claims are probably not actionable.
https://3dblogger.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2024/02/is-t...
I think the biggest issue is that of public perception. A financial institution is going to find itself in dire straights if the public believe that it is facilitating the kind of thing we're talking about. It doesn't matter if it actually is ... because public perception isn't always based on fact, but on what the headlines told them. We only have to look at the amount of outright lies that the media have regularly promulgated in the past decade to see that in action. We live in a time when clickbait and misinformation is the primary methodology of much (most) of the mainstream media, and much of the public have the attention spans of goldfish and can't be bothered reading the article to get the actual facts. I've done it myself, as have we all.
So if Tilia see that the rumours are spreading, they may well feel that they need to bail on SL. Whether that is justifiable by the facts isn't relevant ... we've seen that companies have little fortitude these days and will bend the knee to pressure at the drop of a hat. We saw with the Bud Light fiasco that a brand can be decimated if the right focus is found to cause the public to turn on that brand. And that was just beer. Imagine if someone could trigger a mass campaign which convinced the public that SL is a hotbed of Child Pornography? Tilia would be gone like a shot. I'm not saying it SHOULD happen, or WOULD happen, I'm saying that it's possible and if the owners of Tilia haven't thought about it, they are idiots.
Medium jerking the article isn't necessarily the win that people seem to think it is. I've seen, in-world, several discussion on the topic and the general consensus is that Medium aren't as balanced as they claim to be and would easily have caved to pressure from someone with sufficient influence, especially given that their staff seem to share the same political views espoused by LL. In fact Medium removing the article is seen as more evidence that LL couldn't disprove the allegations. Remember what I said about public perception ... what the reality is doesn't necessarily matter.
And we come to the biggest issue of them all ... if the claims are actionable. As I noted above ... public perception is all that counts in these cases. Anyone who's paying attention to the news out of the US should be well aware that a very large percentage of the population believe that justice has been corrupted and perverted for decades now. I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but again ... those people aren't going to care in the least if some DA in California announces that there was no evidence to back up the claims.
And that comes back to my first post on this thread: LL had ample time to dig out proof that the entire article was a complete fabrication ... and their only response has been a fluff piece which didn't answer any questions and gives the appearance of a cover up. Whether or not that means that LL ARE covering up is irrelevant ... the only meaningful way to deal with this would be to offer absolute proof that the entire article was bogus.
Personally I think LL are banking on the public having a short attention span, and are hoping that this all goes away.
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So if Tilia see that the rumours are spreading, they may well feel that they need to bail on SL. Whether that is justifiable by the facts isn't relevant ... we've seen that companies have little fortitude these days and will bend the knee to pressure at the drop of a hat. We saw with the Bud Light fiasco that a brand can be decimated if the right focus is found to cause the public to turn on that brand. And that was just beer. Imagine if someone could trigger a mass campaign which convinced the public that SL is a hotbed of Child Pornography? Tilia would be gone like a shot. I'm not saying it SHOULD happen, or WOULD happen, I'm saying that it's possible and if the owners of Tilia haven't thought about it, they are idiots.
Medium jerking the article isn't necessarily the win that people seem to think it is. I've seen, in-world, several discussion on the topic and the general consensus is that Medium aren't as balanced as they claim to be and would easily have caved to pressure from someone with sufficient influence, especially given that their staff seem to share the same political views espoused by LL. In fact Medium removing the article is seen as more evidence that LL couldn't disprove the allegations. Remember what I said about public perception ... what the reality is doesn't necessarily matter.
And we come to the biggest issue of them all ... if the claims are actionable. As I noted above ... public perception is all that counts in these cases. Anyone who's paying attention to the news out of the US should be well aware that a very large percentage of the population believe that justice has been corrupted and perverted for decades now. I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but again ... those people aren't going to care in the least if some DA in California announces that there was no evidence to back up the claims.
And that comes back to my first post on this thread: LL had ample time to dig out proof that the entire article was a complete fabrication ... and their only response has been a fluff piece which didn't answer any questions and gives the appearance of a cover up. Whether or not that means that LL ARE covering up is irrelevant ... the only meaningful way to deal with this would be to offer absolute proof that the entire article was bogus.
Personally I think LL are banking on the public having a short attention span, and are hoping that this all goes away.
Good points, and I agree with some of them, but you have to remember that, outside the small minuscule percent of the population that inhabits SL and OS, the "public perception" is completely non-existent. (If you have ever tried to explain OS or SL to a stranger who has never heard of it, you know what I mean.) Sure, it is very big news to us, but for 99.7% of the media and the public, this story does not even exist. I shared your shame concerns at the start. When a few posts on social media picked up the story, I figured it would catch some attention. It didn't. I would not define Medium pulling the article as a "win" or a "loss" but they do not pull things lightly. So the fact that they did point to a lot of what the Typepad article i posted posted alludes too - that while there are many sordid allegations in the Medium article, there was very little in the way of proof. there was no claim at all of criminal behavior. Gross behavior, yes. Hypocrisy on the part of Patch Linden, yes. Workplace harassment, yes. (the most serious and provable claim IMO) Criminal behavior, no. The use of a fake identity to post the article also probably called the motives of the author into question. The tepid, boilerplate statement from LL was sad, but probably exactly what they needed to do business-wise. With the original claims now archived, this issue will fade fast and be of interest only to those of us who spend a lot of time in these virtual worlds. That is not many in the overall population.
Now, let me play Devil's advocate for a minute. What if, and this is very possible, the original article was total BS? A hit job by a disgruntled resident Patch banned, or a former LL employee that may have felt Patch's rath at work? Unlikely and I think it is a HARD stretch to say that Patch is not guilty of SOMETHING", but what about everyone else named in that article? None of whom were directly tied to anything illegal or a even in some cases a violation of LL rules. With LL being so vague in their response, would these people ever have the cloud lifted over their name? Probably unlikely, but something we should all think about. The fact that this incident is not gaining much public attention might be a good thing for now.
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Now, let me play Devil's advocate for a minute. What if, and this is very possible, the original article was total BS? A hit job by a disgruntled resident Patch banned, or a former LL employee that may have felt Patch's rath at work? Unlikely and I think it is a HARD stretch to say that Patch is not guilty of SOMETHING", but what about everyone else named in that article? None of whom were directly tied to anything illegal or a even in some cases a violation of LL rules. With LL being so vague in their response, would these people ever have the cloud lifted over their name? Probably unlikely, but something we should all think about. The fact that this incident is not gaining much public attention might be a good thing for now.
I'm more concerned about some grifter (there are many, on both sides of politics) with a big audience suddenly 'discovering' it and blowing it up. We recently saw gaming blow up into a big issue with the Sweet Baby Inc thing, and it's attracted the attention of people who typically scorn gaming.
The professional politicians (again on both sides) love to have something they can bloviate about to distract the population from more serious matters. We have to remember that gaming is now bigger than the movie industry in financial terms, and incorrectly, SL/OSG falls under the category of gaming. We're going to see more and more 'pundits' who formerly ignored gaming weighing in on the topics I think.
As to the validity of the claims ... I think there's definitely been some TOS violations if nothing else. Regardless of that however, I have no real opinion other than the fact that LL could have (and would have) been able to issue a definitive "there's no basis for any of these claims" if the article was entirely bogus.
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The professional politicians (again on both sides) love to have something they can bloviate about to distract the population from more serious matters. We have to remember that gaming is now bigger than the movie industry in financial terms, and incorrectly, SL/OSG falls under the category of gaming. We're going to see more and more 'pundits' who formerly ignored gaming weighing in on the topics I think.
As to the validity of the claims ... I think there's definitely been some TOS violations if nothing else. Regardless of that however, I have no real opinion other than the fact that LL could have (and would have) been able to issue a definitive "there's no basis for any of these claims" if the article was entirely bogus.
Agreed Vicki. As a corporate owner as well, I realized that even bad news was great for publicity. But when it is toxic and serious, it needs to be immediately addressed, handled and rectified. Speed and finesse is the key to the outcome. In LL's situation, they let the wound fester and it's now gangrene.
Tilla, being a larger company will run for the hills if they can. Caspervend will probably fade into the wind.
As I said earlier, Oberwager is an idiot. He hired some hippy dippy "lawyer" who doesn't have any work anymore since San Fagcisco defunded the police and the few cops left are just hanging around to collect a paycheck, but not enforcing laws. That "Lawyer" took time in between bong hits, to write a tin can, horseshit and sauerkraut statement for the quick pay. Oberwager, being a complete simpleton that might know Finance with his Bezerkley diploma, but lacks in the reading comprehension dept. thinks he is good as gold and this will all pass.
Nah, the proof provided by the ex employee, well written, evidenciary images, confirmed details covering all angles based on any defense will sink LL. They can pull all of the Libtard tricks of a criminal being caught all they want, it still exists on the internet. They cannot bury or hide it. They can try all the denial and gas lighting tactics of saying that YOU are the Pedo and not them, It won't work. Intelligent people know the truth. I have witnessed it in SL, I know just about everyone in SL has too. LL is going to burn to the ground in the business world. So much so, a national holiday should be established up that completion.
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Let me finish this off by stating, all I just said is not a "Rant"as Libtards like to claim anything they disagree with as being, or the non existent "Hate" speech. There is no such thing other than saying "I HATE you". So just in case some blocked turds want to create alt accounts to jump in with their less than 140 characters of idiocy to reply to it. And that is my disclaimer up front.
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Tilla, being a larger company will run for the hills if they can. Caspervend will probably fade into the wind.
As I said earlier, Oberwager is an idiot. He hired some hippy dippy "lawyer" who doesn't have any work anymore since San Fagcisco defunded the police and the few cops left are just hanging around to collect a paycheck, but not enforcing laws. That "Lawyer" took time in between bong hits, to write a tin can, horseshit and sauerkraut statement for the quick pay. Oberwager, being a complete simpleton that might know Finance with his Bezerkley diploma, but lacks in the reading comprehension dept. thinks he is good as gold and this will all pass.
Nah, the proof provided by the ex employee, well written, evidenciary images, confirmed details covering all angles based on any defense will sink LL. They can pull all of the Libtard tricks of a criminal being caught all they want, it still exists on the internet. They cannot bury or hide it. They can try all the denial and gas lighting tactics of saying that YOU are the Pedo and not them, It won't work. Intelligent people know the truth. I have witnessed it in SL, I know just about everyone in SL has too. LL is going to burn to the ground in the business world. So much so, a national holiday should be established up that completion.
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Let me finish this off by stating, all I just said is not a "Rant"as Libtards like to claim anything they disagree with as being, or the non existent "Hate" speech. There is no such thing other than saying "I HATE you". So just in case some blocked turds want to create alt accounts to jump in with their less than 140 characters of idiocy to reply to it. And that is my disclaimer up front.
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No offense, but you are delusional. None of that rant is even remotely attached to reality. It is entertaining though, so rant on! I am looking forward to the part where you are tying Patch Linden to AOC, the Illuminati and hearing how wind turbines are turning frogs gay.
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Oh how very Libtard of you to begin your supposed accusation as "delusional" and trying to tie it to "consipracies".
I really enjoyed reading your less than 140 characters of uneducated, ignorance on full display, because we know you are a self proclaimed expert of everything and an arm chair expert of nothingness. Congratulations on achieving the most useless factless post of the day and welcome to my returned cancel culture. You have made it abundantly clear that you as well as Marcus Sparx, have a severe deficiency in Reading Comprehension.
I am so very glad I offended your poow wittle feewings to the point that you proceeded to make this factless accusation. You have made my day.
If you would really like to know about AOC though, she supposedly lived in my childhood neighborhood in Parkchester in the Bronx. But gee, I apparently don't know anything according to you, so I will not provide you any of those details so you can wallow in astonishment of FOMO.
Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P
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I really enjoyed reading your less than 140 characters of uneducated, ignorance on full display, because we know you are a self proclaimed expert of everything and an arm chair expert of nothingness. Congratulations on achieving the most useless factless post of the day and welcome to my returned cancel culture. You have made it abundantly clear that you as well as Marcus Sparx, have a severe deficiency in Reading Comprehension.
I am so very glad I offended your poow wittle feewings to the point that you proceeded to make this factless accusation. You have made my day.
If you would really like to know about AOC though, she supposedly lived in my childhood neighborhood in Parkchester in the Bronx. But gee, I apparently don't know anything according to you, so I will not provide you any of those details so you can wallow in astonishment of FOMO.
Patch Linden? Did you mean "PHIL" who began SecondLife? At least try to get SOME facts right in your search for fame and glory simpleton. Now Buh Bye and enjoy your cancel culture treatment Libtard. ;-P
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Lordy! Give it a rest already. For someone who does not seem to like that place, you sure do spend a LOT of your time hanging out there and talking about them. Let's try and stay on topic.
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You defend Darkhearts, It's the pedo den of OS, Lil child avatars standing around with slave collars in just their undies, isn't okay in any form of life, The number one community in OSW is a pedo den, the community that represents OpenSim is a pedo den of slave children avatars, This isn't okay! Yet your ass who calls me a "Karen" defends it. Interesting.
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I am not defending ANYONE. I have no dog in that fight. I myself have had a Darkhart staff person yelling at me for even being in their grid. However, overall, my few visits there to shop have been pleasant. They have some great shops you cant find anywhere else, and looking at the activity board, they are doing something right.
I was simply pointing out that you seem unusually fixated on them specifically, to the point that a glance at your posts shows that over 80% of your posts focus on Darkharts. Even in threads that have nothing to do with them, you will insert the topic for no good reason. We've never met but you seem like a decent enough person, despite your ugly name-calling, but you do seem to spend a LOT of time talking about and visiting a place you claim to disdain. As Shakesspear said "‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’ .
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I was simply pointing out that you seem unusually fixated on them specifically, to the point that a glance at your posts shows that over 80% of your posts focus on Darkharts. Even in threads that have nothing to do with them, you will insert the topic for no good reason. We've never met but you seem like a decent enough person, despite your ugly name-calling, but you do seem to spend a LOT of time talking about and visiting a place you claim to disdain. As Shakesspear said "‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’ .
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I think the beginning of the end was weeks ago when the Medium article was pulled down. I think you are seeing things wrapping up now. There will likely be another press release in a month or two with some new TOS changes at Second Life, likely for the worse and not better. We'll most likely see some new staff and possibly a change or even elimination of the "Mole" program. That will be the end of it. I don't see how any of this effects OS.
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think about it, lets say they all get banned, or sl is shut down or they change there tos. where do you think they will go when they cant get ot sl, they may flee to opensim. we all have to be prepared in case that happens.
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I will probably regret this, but I will bite. Who is this "they" you speak of. IS there some secret underground cabal planning to invade OS. I don't know how to tell you this, but SL is not going anywhere. Some people are going to get fired. The ungodly vague TOS at SL will have about 5000 more words added to it... and that will be it. I am no fan of Linden Lab, but i do not think we need to be making more out of this than it is.
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i was referring to child avatars in sl, and yeah sl will never get shutdown but if one day it happens i wanna be prepared.
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Possibly. But that makes a large assumption that many of the claims made in the original Medium article are/were true. Personally, I think the fact that the article was pulled and written under a pen name have to make many of the allegations questionable. I think it was hit job by someone who had an axe to grind, but that is just my opinion. Also, many of the allegations would be a violation of Linden's ever-growing "terms of service" but not much of a legal issue. At worst, Second Life gets one more self-inflicted PR blackeye, which may ultimately benefit OS and other grids. Also, I feel like the decentralized way most of OS functions inoculates it from a lot of what LL may be (or may NOT be) staring at. I think that is a good thing.
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