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Safinemahoe2✦ @safinemahoe2
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ok.....I am gonna share some observations with you all. I am not sure if this is an easter Egg hunt or IQ test. If it is the later, the score is Cat 198.....safine......22 hahahahha but , I am not done!
Seriously I want to tell you.....they have really great prizes and it is fun to see the different regions. Many times in open sim I have heard people say " oh theres nothing to do". Well....there is something freaking awesome to do......but it only lasts a week! Let's go!!!!! Get up and head over to my friends at AMV....you will be glad you did this!
Also say prayers I find a few more eggs or my IQis not looking good
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Seriously I want to tell you.....they have really great prizes and it is fun to see the different regions. Many times in open sim I have heard people say " oh theres nothing to do". Well....there is something freaking awesome to do......but it only lasts a week! Let's go!!!!! Get up and head over to my friends at AMV....you will be glad you did this!
Also say prayers I find a few more eggs or my IQis not looking good
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Just a quick note here....I have done this egg hunt the last few years and it is amazing! Lots of cool prizes.....and fun to see others work. Some eggs are easy to find...and some make you work harder. If you enjoy free prizes and the challenge of a hunt.......you must do this! I have made plans.....I have to go to this....it is the BEST egg hunt in OS! Thanks Cat and AMV team.......I know these things do not fall together autumatically...they are a ton of work and coordination.......but you have succeeded in making awesome event! Now......where the heck are those darn eggs?
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Thank you so much Safine, you just made my day after hiding 275 eggs...and that's just my regions there are a bunch more! Smiles
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Cyber......anything you need...let me know! Our thoughts and prayers are with you ! Remember one thing....this might have destroyed your grid...but it did not destroy YOU!
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I want to add a quick comment here. I have bought many of Luna’s buildings over the years. The level of detail is extremely high! In these castles Luna has also put in many hidden doors…..such a cool feature. When you visit, take time and find the Hidden doors. I think ceridwen has around 6 hidden doors…. But my count may be off. These buildings are second to none!
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That special maintenance would be why you were not able to login. Everything is good now and actually a little bit faster.
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Here is a follow up to that mall idea. What if it was not freebie…. But friends-grid dollars? Residents and visitors could purchase exclusive items only available with friends grid dollars. We could give money at mall and tell them to hunt for more.
As examples
Maybe I want to sell retextured bikinis for $85
Maybe Sora wants to sell a car for $250,000
Maybe Zuzu wants to sell art for $10,000
All possible with our currency…..and easy for guests and residents to get currency
Using our currency will help people see our grid and what we have made.
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As examples
Maybe I want to sell retextured bikinis for $85
Maybe Sora wants to sell a car for $250,000
Maybe Zuzu wants to sell art for $10,000
All possible with our currency…..and easy for guests and residents to get currency
Using our currency will help people see our grid and what we have made.
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Although $60,000 seems impossible….it really is not. This is based on 52 weeks.
10 corp sponsors @ $25/week = $13,000
20 sponsors @ $10/week = $10,400
40. Patrons. @. $5/week = $10,400
300 Supporters @ $2/week= $31,200
Total. $60,000 +
This, and many other needs in open sim, are totally possible if people would simply work together.
The greatest danger to Opensim is the common aversion to pay for anything.
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10 corp sponsors @ $25/week = $13,000
20 sponsors @ $10/week = $10,400
40. Patrons. @. $5/week = $10,400
300 Supporters @ $2/week= $31,200
Total. $60,000 +
This, and many other needs in open sim, are totally possible if people would simply work together.
The greatest danger to Opensim is the common aversion to pay for anything.
Thank you Safine :) If only more people could engage the bit of grey matter between their ears and look at issues the way you have here. I have in the past written similar cost breakdowns to illustrate the power of numbers. Your kind of thinking is the kind of thinking behind how we fund our healthcare system in the UK, so many people all contributing a small relatively amount.
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Ok, but why do they want these MONEY? Everything could be done opensource, allowing users and opensimulator grid operators to host their own voice servers on their machines, just like with freeswitch. All of this could be achieved through opensource. Why do they want these money? And then what do they do? Do they become a company and sell their project while keeping it free for the OS community? This isn't the right path. There's another way. The truth is that we lack developers who are uninterested in money but still accept the challenge. The ones who are interested ask for MONEY, and that's not okay. Your response doesn't explain to me why they're asking for money. I understand your concern, but you're only suggesting how to support them, not how to guide them towards a different and OPEN SOURCE path like OPENSIMULATOR (which would also create a parallel and perhaps lasting project that progresses alongside this), and most importantly, it doesn't explain to me why they're asking for this money. :)
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Will you please learn: opensource does not necessarily mean it's free of cost to develop. All projects have at least server costs, and some projects pay their coders. Some opensource applications or operating systems charge for the software, and all opensource means in any real sense is that the code is open for everyone to read, modify, change, make sure there are no nasties hiding in it etc.
EchoVoice is an opensource project, but in order to actually get the project delivered before we all shuttle of our mortal coils professional coders need to be engaged, contracted to do the work, and PAID.There are also other costs, such as running servers etc.
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EchoVoice is an opensource project, but in order to actually get the project delivered before we all shuttle of our mortal coils professional coders need to be engaged, contracted to do the work, and PAID.There are also other costs, such as running servers etc.
Sure, open source means everything you've mentioned. However, it largely depends on the usage license with which the software is initiated. Anyway, I don't see it being useful to pay for a startup that will eventually become a competitor to Vivox. I find a project in the style of FreeSWITCH more useful – open source – where, just like with OpenSimulator, anyone can download the code and reshape it to fit their needs. This would attract a large number of free and interested programmers, much like what happens with many Unix or GNU/Linux-based software.
The server wouldn't be centralized, but each user would have their own, independent from others. So, each grid would have its own voice server. This doesn't incur development costs because I can manage the repositories from my PC, make changes from my PC, and test the software on my PC without requiring sums like $60,000 – and this would be multiplied by the many contributing users. If someone is needed to do this, so be it.
If FreeSWITCH were simpler, it would be ideal to pursue that project. I tried to run it on a Windows server, but with very limited results. Adapting a voice service for viewers isn't simple, but in my opinion, the best solution remains starting with a solid open-source software under the GPL license, integrating the necessary modules (and if needed, moving towards LGPL). This way, everyone can host their own voice server on their machine, decentralized from the rest. Instead of giving money to a project that centralizes voice servers, it creates a completely different type of project and supports a startup that, no matter how open their code might be, aims to have control over the users of its services. OpenSimulator is not like this. If I had to choose, I'd prefer to pay for services from a company like Vivox; at least I know it's reputable and already present in various gaming services, including professional tournaments and Second Life.
However, fundamentally, all GNU/Linux systems are free – they're all cost-free. What you pay for is consultancy and support in the pro versions. GPL licenses are genuinely respected there :)
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The server wouldn't be centralized, but each user would have their own, independent from others. So, each grid would have its own voice server. This doesn't incur development costs because I can manage the repositories from my PC, make changes from my PC, and test the software on my PC without requiring sums like $60,000 – and this would be multiplied by the many contributing users. If someone is needed to do this, so be it.
If FreeSWITCH were simpler, it would be ideal to pursue that project. I tried to run it on a Windows server, but with very limited results. Adapting a voice service for viewers isn't simple, but in my opinion, the best solution remains starting with a solid open-source software under the GPL license, integrating the necessary modules (and if needed, moving towards LGPL). This way, everyone can host their own voice server on their machine, decentralized from the rest. Instead of giving money to a project that centralizes voice servers, it creates a completely different type of project and supports a startup that, no matter how open their code might be, aims to have control over the users of its services. OpenSimulator is not like this. If I had to choose, I'd prefer to pay for services from a company like Vivox; at least I know it's reputable and already present in various gaming services, including professional tournaments and Second Life.
However, fundamentally, all GNU/Linux systems are free – they're all cost-free. What you pay for is consultancy and support in the pro versions. GPL licenses are genuinely respected there :)
The server wouldn't be centralised with EchoVoice or a project based on that as Mumble is a voice server that is run independently as a service by each grid wanting that particular voice solution.
You could set up a voice project tomorrow, and you might, if you were very lucky, attract some interest, but finding people who are ready and willing to code for free will be the difficult bit. Most GNU/Linux distros have a handful of coders who do the work. Only the distros that are backed by major corporate players (IBM, Red Hat, Mandriva and a few others) have significant numbers of coders working on the code as they can afford to pay them.
And whilst there are projects that are, as you say, driven by passion, most of those projects are also pretty up front in letting people know that financial contributions help to allow them to do more work in the project they are passionate about and less working for an employer on stuff they do just to make enough to pay the bills. Maybe if we, the users were a little bit more passionate about making a small donation every time we download and install some of their software they'd be able to give up the day job and concentrate on doing what they are passionate about, and delivering us super and well updated new versions of the software we love? By not contributing when we are able we're basically expecting the developers to pay for the software we use. It might be free to us, but it costs them a considerable amount. Most of the projects run purely on passion have just one person behind them, usually doing a mountain of work and struggling to keep up. Opensim has just one developer when not so very long ago there was a team of developers. There are various reasons for that, some of them social, but I would think that the need to make a living and have a life outside of the day job have a lot to do with the scarcity of people developing independent modules for Opensim.
The healthcare most people in the UK receive is free (at point of need) but that doesn't mean it's without cost. We all pay for it from our taxation, and it's a really good deal, and everyone has comprehensive health cover.
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You could set up a voice project tomorrow, and you might, if you were very lucky, attract some interest, but finding people who are ready and willing to code for free will be the difficult bit. Most GNU/Linux distros have a handful of coders who do the work. Only the distros that are backed by major corporate players (IBM, Red Hat, Mandriva and a few others) have significant numbers of coders working on the code as they can afford to pay them.
And whilst there are projects that are, as you say, driven by passion, most of those projects are also pretty up front in letting people know that financial contributions help to allow them to do more work in the project they are passionate about and less working for an employer on stuff they do just to make enough to pay the bills. Maybe if we, the users were a little bit more passionate about making a small donation every time we download and install some of their software they'd be able to give up the day job and concentrate on doing what they are passionate about, and delivering us super and well updated new versions of the software we love? By not contributing when we are able we're basically expecting the developers to pay for the software we use. It might be free to us, but it costs them a considerable amount. Most of the projects run purely on passion have just one person behind them, usually doing a mountain of work and struggling to keep up. Opensim has just one developer when not so very long ago there was a team of developers. There are various reasons for that, some of them social, but I would think that the need to make a living and have a life outside of the day job have a lot to do with the scarcity of people developing independent modules for Opensim.
The healthcare most people in the UK receive is free (at point of need) but that doesn't mean it's without cost. We all pay for it from our taxation, and it's a really good deal, and everyone has comprehensive health cover.
Great comments and I agree! In theory, this would be awesome to be done through open source.
And my comments were merely meant as an example to show how easy it is to raise “impossible “ sums of money, should that be needed.
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And my comments were merely meant as an example to show how easy it is to raise “impossible “ sums of money, should that be needed.