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Allie Dawson @alliedawson
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NEW: This circular/pallet bed comes packed with +500 animations, some decor, and HUNDREDS of textures.
I have spent a good amount of time making sure you get all the versatility and can change the texture of each piece of the set individually, pillow to pillow!
Uber: hop://playground.darkheartsos.com:8002/Darkhearts Boutiques/391/354/23
I have spent a good amount of time making sure you get all the versatility and can change the texture of each piece of the set individually, pillow to pillow!
Uber: hop://playground.darkheartsos.com:8002/Darkhearts Boutiques/391/354/23
 | Aurora Starchild: @sodasullivan - didn't you want textures!? There you go 21 per each of the 6 pillows, 13 for each of the 4 throws lol 16 days ago |
Let's talk about child avatar criteria for a moment.
This is Juno, my little in-world sister. Little as in one year younger. What she's wearing is something she isn't too unlikely to wear these days. It's still quite chilly outside after all.
Those of you who know her won't doubt that she's a grown-up woman. But there's a whole lot about her that may qualify her as an underage avatar. I'm not even joking.
Yes, on the one hand, protection against paedos and their unlawful ageplay is a necessity; see also Safine's most recent post: https://opensimworld.com/post/108176
On the other hand, paedos are trying to circumvent countermeasures. Add to this the most recent drama about Lindens being directly involved in sexual ageplay in Second Life.
As a result, sim owners ramp up their countermeasures. This goes well beyond more and more sims redefining the Adult rating as "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed". It's likely that the signs that an avatar is underage will be "upgraded", too.
And the wide-spread anti-underage paranoia has made them absolutely ridiculous quite a while ago already. There's so much that could qualify Juno here as a kid.
Let me sum it up.
First of all, her height. The most blatant sign and the only one that triggers auto-bans. She's "only" 1.74m which is 5'8½". Many childgates still run on default settings which ban everyone under 1.80m. And I guess their number will increase as more and more sim owners decide that 1.60m or 1.70m doesn't cut it anymore. I'm pretty sure Juno has fallen victim to childgates twice already.
The other criteria are purely visual.
Her shape is somewhat close to realistic. Her head is about ⅛ of her body height which is actually still a bit small for a real-life woman. By OpenSim standards, however, her head is rather large in comparison with her body height. This reeks of a kid shape.
Next, look at her skin tone. In early April in real life, this is a fairly typical skin tone. In OpenSim, however, grown-ups are basically required to have a deep tan. Even most goths have darker skins than Juno. The only avatars with such light skins are child avatars. Well, and Juno, but if you don't know her, you're easy to take her for a kid because her skin is so light.
Now, look at her face. Look at her lips. No pumped-up boat lips. This is what real-life lips look like, but in OpenSim, the only avatars with such thin lips are either male avatars or child avatars. Since she doesn't have a perma-stubble or a full beard, she can't be the former.
Anything else you notice about her face? Right, no make-up whatsoever. Practically all other adult female avatars out there at least wear lipstick. She doesn't even wear that. Well, sometimes she does, but not here, not now. Makes her look like a kid in comparison.
Speaking of make-up, look at her hands. No nail polish. AFAIK, not a single one of the popular female mesh bodies lets you go without nail polish. Especially Athena doesn't. So basically, if a female avatar doesn't wear nail polish, it's either a classic, mesh-less layer-and-prim avatar from, like, 2007 or a child avatar. And Juno doesn't look like she doesn't have a mesh body.
And her hair? Yes, that's a bob. In real life, it was a rather popular hairstyle in the 1960s. In OpenSim, hair significantly shorter than shoulder length is probably the second-most child-like girl hairstyle right after twin pigtails. As an adult woman, she should be expected to have a long lush mane. I've never seen a single female avatar with Paige hair. Black could be a saving throw because little girls are usually blond, but not necessarily.
Let's continue with her clothes.
She's covering a whole lot of skin, more than almost all other female avatars. Granted, most little girl avatars show a whole lot more skin, too. Just look at those super-short skirts that seem to be a requirement for underage girl avatars. But grown-up female avatars are basically expected to do the same. Thus, covering up makes her look less adult.
So does the rather loose fit of her clothes. Adult female avatars may be allowed to wear long denim jeans, but only of the skin-tight kind. But while Juno's jeans are labelled slim fit, they look rather like something a little boy could wear.
Her pullover gives the impression that she doesn't have a waist. You know what other avatars don't have much of a waist? Good thing she doesn't have a petite body because there's no petite variant of her body, otherwise she'd look almost flat in this pullover. Also, that shade of teal might be questionable at least. It'd be worse if that pullover was pink, but she doesn't have it in pink.
Finally, her footwear. She's wearing flat shoes. Adult female avatars are expected to always walk around on 6" heels. In fact, she's even wearing sneakers. Flat sneakers. Even tip-toe sneakers are questionable, but unless worn by a manly man, they're little girl material.
And if that wasn't enough, she's wearing them with white socks. The only hosiery adult female avatars may wear in OpenSim is nylon stockings, Zettai Ryouiki-style, showing skin on the thighs above. Socks are pretty much exclusively worn by children, so what does that make Juno?
I bet that if Juno wore this to events in places whose owners don't know her, chances are she'd be banned on the spot for being a kid. Good thing her usual party styles are of the kind that causes her to be accused of dressing like a grandma instead.
This is Juno, my little in-world sister. Little as in one year younger. What she's wearing is something she isn't too unlikely to wear these days. It's still quite chilly outside after all.
Those of you who know her won't doubt that she's a grown-up woman. But there's a whole lot about her that may qualify her as an underage avatar. I'm not even joking.
Yes, on the one hand, protection against paedos and their unlawful ageplay is a necessity; see also Safine's most recent post: https://opensimworld.com/post/108176
On the other hand, paedos are trying to circumvent countermeasures. Add to this the most recent drama about Lindens being directly involved in sexual ageplay in Second Life.
As a result, sim owners ramp up their countermeasures. This goes well beyond more and more sims redefining the Adult rating as "G-rated, but no child avatars allowed". It's likely that the signs that an avatar is underage will be "upgraded", too.
And the wide-spread anti-underage paranoia has made them absolutely ridiculous quite a while ago already. There's so much that could qualify Juno here as a kid.
Let me sum it up.
First of all, her height. The most blatant sign and the only one that triggers auto-bans. She's "only" 1.74m which is 5'8½". Many childgates still run on default settings which ban everyone under 1.80m. And I guess their number will increase as more and more sim owners decide that 1.60m or 1.70m doesn't cut it anymore. I'm pretty sure Juno has fallen victim to childgates twice already.
The other criteria are purely visual.
Her shape is somewhat close to realistic. Her head is about ⅛ of her body height which is actually still a bit small for a real-life woman. By OpenSim standards, however, her head is rather large in comparison with her body height. This reeks of a kid shape.
Next, look at her skin tone. In early April in real life, this is a fairly typical skin tone. In OpenSim, however, grown-ups are basically required to have a deep tan. Even most goths have darker skins than Juno. The only avatars with such light skins are child avatars. Well, and Juno, but if you don't know her, you're easy to take her for a kid because her skin is so light.
Now, look at her face. Look at her lips. No pumped-up boat lips. This is what real-life lips look like, but in OpenSim, the only avatars with such thin lips are either male avatars or child avatars. Since she doesn't have a perma-stubble or a full beard, she can't be the former.
Anything else you notice about her face? Right, no make-up whatsoever. Practically all other adult female avatars out there at least wear lipstick. She doesn't even wear that. Well, sometimes she does, but not here, not now. Makes her look like a kid in comparison.
Speaking of make-up, look at her hands. No nail polish. AFAIK, not a single one of the popular female mesh bodies lets you go without nail polish. Especially Athena doesn't. So basically, if a female avatar doesn't wear nail polish, it's either a classic, mesh-less layer-and-prim avatar from, like, 2007 or a child avatar. And Juno doesn't look like she doesn't have a mesh body.
And her hair? Yes, that's a bob. In real life, it was a rather popular hairstyle in the 1960s. In OpenSim, hair significantly shorter than shoulder length is probably the second-most child-like girl hairstyle right after twin pigtails. As an adult woman, she should be expected to have a long lush mane. I've never seen a single female avatar with Paige hair. Black could be a saving throw because little girls are usually blond, but not necessarily.
Let's continue with her clothes.
She's covering a whole lot of skin, more than almost all other female avatars. Granted, most little girl avatars show a whole lot more skin, too. Just look at those super-short skirts that seem to be a requirement for underage girl avatars. But grown-up female avatars are basically expected to do the same. Thus, covering up makes her look less adult.
So does the rather loose fit of her clothes. Adult female avatars may be allowed to wear long denim jeans, but only of the skin-tight kind. But while Juno's jeans are labelled slim fit, they look rather like something a little boy could wear.
Her pullover gives the impression that she doesn't have a waist. You know what other avatars don't have much of a waist? Good thing she doesn't have a petite body because there's no petite variant of her body, otherwise she'd look almost flat in this pullover. Also, that shade of teal might be questionable at least. It'd be worse if that pullover was pink, but she doesn't have it in pink.
Finally, her footwear. She's wearing flat shoes. Adult female avatars are expected to always walk around on 6" heels. In fact, she's even wearing sneakers. Flat sneakers. Even tip-toe sneakers are questionable, but unless worn by a manly man, they're little girl material.
And if that wasn't enough, she's wearing them with white socks. The only hosiery adult female avatars may wear in OpenSim is nylon stockings, Zettai Ryouiki-style, showing skin on the thighs above. Socks are pretty much exclusively worn by children, so what does that make Juno?
I bet that if Juno wore this to events in places whose owners don't know her, chances are she'd be banned on the spot for being a kid. Good thing her usual party styles are of the kind that causes her to be accused of dressing like a grandma instead.
| | TrishiaOConnell: if no one like children avatars, why are there so many shops for childrens clothes? 23 days ago |
My latest and probably most difficult memorial build, not that it was hard to do, but that it is a memorial to my very first pet who was so loyal, loving and protective. Wolfie was truly my best friend and to this day I miss him. He was half great Dane and half Siberian Husky and looked very much like a Canadian Timberwolf, hence his name. He was the most adorable puppy and grew into a beautiful and amazing adult dog. His memory will be forever treasured by me, but building the memorial brought a few tears to my eyes, I loved my boy.
| | Andremus Miklos: I know what you're talking about my friend, I miss my boy each and every day...Hugs 23 days ago |
Recently I have had a number of people requesting that I allow child avatars at friends-grid and I want to discuss this openly and honestly.
It is not my place to try and push my morals and values upon others....however, as a grid owner, it is my place to learn the laws of every country involved. In this situation, I need to understand the Child pornography laws of not only where our servers are located, but I also had to research and learn the laws of every country we have residents and guests from. We currently have residents from 30 countries and guests from another 35. People who say "laws dont apply " are incorrect on this subject. You may have servers in one country.....but all the laws of your resident's countries come into play also.
A good thing to remember is that because you have gotten away with something for 10 years does not make it legal. You may never get caught....and then again.....somebody with a grudge may turn you in.
I want to point out a recent post by Jerralyn Franzic . Jerralyn showed the cutest childs outfit ever! ....and she also made the wisest statement ...."I don't understand the hatred towards child avis in Open Sim. Sure, they shouldn't engage in adult activities and maybe not hang in Adult sims but otherwise, what's the problem?" Personally I would love to see kids riding ponies at my farm....and having fun being mermaids. If everyone in child avi were to abide by Jerralyn's statement, there would not be an issue.
However, lets talk about reality. Not all child avis are simply riding ponies and playing in the water. The simple truth is that many (not all) of these child avis are having sex. Some grids use this to boost their traffic. In some countries, including US, the graphic illustration of a child online having sex is 100% illegal. You see, it does not matter if the person behind the computer is 12 or 52......the visual computer generated depiction of a child (child avatar) involved in sex is very illegal in a number of countries. 18 U.S.C. § 2252 Many people will say their countries are different....and this is stupid. I did not make laws........but I need to abide by them. Before people jump on this and criticize me ....I would suggest you read the laws of your country....your servers country...and the laws of all your residents or guests. There are many misinformed people on this subject. I am not saying the laws are right or wrong......but learn the laws.....then comment. You need to learn laws for your servers country...and all your guests countries. This post is not about morals......it is about laws....of all the countries involved.
I have spent over 200 hours reading international laws. Some countries allow things that others do not. However, you have to consider all the laws because of guests.
In closing....do I hate kids and kids avis......nooooooo. I would love to be able to allow them to come to friends grid. However, this is a less than perfect world in which we live, and I have to look at the potential liability of allowing those child avis. Because of that, Child avis are not allowed on friends-grid......no exceptions! I am sad....because there are some wonderful people in kids avis that I do not get to have visit.
Friends-grid is an Adult community and we are looking for adults, with adult avi's who want to make this their main opensim home.
It is not my place to try and push my morals and values upon others....however, as a grid owner, it is my place to learn the laws of every country involved. In this situation, I need to understand the Child pornography laws of not only where our servers are located, but I also had to research and learn the laws of every country we have residents and guests from. We currently have residents from 30 countries and guests from another 35. People who say "laws dont apply " are incorrect on this subject. You may have servers in one country.....but all the laws of your resident's countries come into play also.
A good thing to remember is that because you have gotten away with something for 10 years does not make it legal. You may never get caught....and then again.....somebody with a grudge may turn you in.
I want to point out a recent post by Jerralyn Franzic . Jerralyn showed the cutest childs outfit ever! ....and she also made the wisest statement ...."I don't understand the hatred towards child avis in Open Sim. Sure, they shouldn't engage in adult activities and maybe not hang in Adult sims but otherwise, what's the problem?" Personally I would love to see kids riding ponies at my farm....and having fun being mermaids. If everyone in child avi were to abide by Jerralyn's statement, there would not be an issue.
However, lets talk about reality. Not all child avis are simply riding ponies and playing in the water. The simple truth is that many (not all) of these child avis are having sex. Some grids use this to boost their traffic. In some countries, including US, the graphic illustration of a child online having sex is 100% illegal. You see, it does not matter if the person behind the computer is 12 or 52......the visual computer generated depiction of a child (child avatar) involved in sex is very illegal in a number of countries. 18 U.S.C. § 2252 Many people will say their countries are different....and this is stupid. I did not make laws........but I need to abide by them. Before people jump on this and criticize me ....I would suggest you read the laws of your country....your servers country...and the laws of all your residents or guests. There are many misinformed people on this subject. I am not saying the laws are right or wrong......but learn the laws.....then comment. You need to learn laws for your servers country...and all your guests countries. This post is not about morals......it is about laws....of all the countries involved.
I have spent over 200 hours reading international laws. Some countries allow things that others do not. However, you have to consider all the laws because of guests.
In closing....do I hate kids and kids avis......nooooooo. I would love to be able to allow them to come to friends grid. However, this is a less than perfect world in which we live, and I have to look at the potential liability of allowing those child avis. Because of that, Child avis are not allowed on friends-grid......no exceptions! I am sad....because there are some wonderful people in kids avis that I do not get to have visit.
Friends-grid is an Adult community and we are looking for adults, with adult avi's who want to make this their main opensim home.
| | Sodasullivan: I think this is the proper way to address this issue Safine. You are setting the rules YOU are comfortable with on YOUR region. I am fine having my region open to everyone as long as they agree to fol... 24 days ago |
The new Stark! 2/24 or 24/2 magazine is now available, by Nice Minik about.....................Secrtes, get your copy from the Stark! Magazine shop at Stark Main, just down the hill near Aqua Club
| | niki stuart: there is also now a mag vendor on Stark North District welcome, and i apologise for typos!!! 3 months ago |
Harmful Paranollas
I'm writing here because they don't even let me defend myself. Today I found out from a friend that a certain Cyberglo says that I am a certain Priscilla. Totally false. Not content with that, he has publicly exposed my IP and named the grids where I stay. Exposing an IP publicly goes against data protection and privacy. I implore this website to remove this information immediately. I don't care about the rest of the crazy article, since nothing is true and I have nothing to fear. He is a harmful being.Excuse my google English. Thank you.
| | Nico Kalani: It appears the post was deleted by OSW due to the reports or because people's comments on it were making him out to be a fool, 3 months ago |
On 12/28/23 wed my darling beloved Jeremy. One happy lady and pray he shall always be as well.
| | LenaLastchance: Best wishes of a long, rewarding and easy virtual life! 4 months ago |
New release....long flowy maxi skirt.
We've got Ruth RC3, Ruth2V4(experimental), Athena, and Decadence HG sizes(I have a legal slink devkit, slink closing in SL makes me sad and nostalgic).
I made it as easy to texture as possible, put a bunch of boho patchwork seamless textures in with it. You can play with the tiling manually. It's got materials to look a bit tweed-ish.
Have fun with it and textures....don't sell, don't put it on SL, don't say you're original creator.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/171/27
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
We've got Ruth RC3, Ruth2V4(experimental), Athena, and Decadence HG sizes(I have a legal slink devkit, slink closing in SL makes me sad and nostalgic).
I made it as easy to texture as possible, put a bunch of boho patchwork seamless textures in with it. You can play with the tiling manually. It's got materials to look a bit tweed-ish.
Have fun with it and textures....don't sell, don't put it on SL, don't say you're original creator.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/171/27
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
| | Jupiter Rowland: Needless to say that Juno was excited and went and picked that skirt up. For such a long skirt, even the Ruth2 v4 variant has surprisingly little clipping. We haven't observed any when she was standi... 4 months ago |
Likely the last new thing until after Christmas!
Long 100% original, legal mesh rigged braids. They come with the usual colour hud (Thank you, Susan von Otto!) but you can of course put any texture you'd like on them. Straight to the point, classic enough to go on modern contemporary outfits or some historical things. The braids, as you can see, do a very cool looking colour mixing thing if you have different streaks in. In the new year I may add compatibility for Susan's original two texture face version. I just haven't decided yet whether to make it "two colours, one for each braid split down the middle part" or "different streaks totally separate mixed together" or both.
Have fun, don't sell or put on SL or take all the credit for it.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/484/178/27
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web...
Long 100% original, legal mesh rigged braids. They come with the usual colour hud (Thank you, Susan von Otto!) but you can of course put any texture you'd like on them. Straight to the point, classic enough to go on modern contemporary outfits or some historical things. The braids, as you can see, do a very cool looking colour mixing thing if you have different streaks in. In the new year I may add compatibility for Susan's original two texture face version. I just haven't decided yet whether to make it "two colours, one for each braid split down the middle part" or "different streaks totally separate mixed together" or both.
Have fun, don't sell or put on SL or take all the credit for it.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/484/178/27
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web...
It was exceedingly annoying to me that a Linda Kellie dress I really liked had something like a MILLION triangles and shot your avatar complexity to 500K.
I reduced the tri count significantly, until I could do no more without destroying the original mesh. Then I rigged for Ruth RC3 and wore it around my lonely little dreamgrid (my internet sucks, in those days I could see myself but nobody could see, talk to or visit me)(this is why I moved to OSgrid). More recently, I also rigged for Athena with my legal copy of the maitreya dev kit. It's common and there's people that prefer it-who am I to judge?
It's in Mythos now. Has pre made variants with the texture, all my textures included (all black dresses with a different type of tartan on each). Old doesn't equal ugly and usually in opensim if you don't like the "out of style" texture on something you can change it...you can use any LK ruffle bottom texture, any one someone else made with the AO, etc. The original AO map is in the box.
It's a shorter skirt so I put some old bloomers I made, and some stockings from Shinobar Annex in the box as a courtesy.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/180/27
I reduced the tri count significantly, until I could do no more without destroying the original mesh. Then I rigged for Ruth RC3 and wore it around my lonely little dreamgrid (my internet sucks, in those days I could see myself but nobody could see, talk to or visit me)(this is why I moved to OSgrid). More recently, I also rigged for Athena with my legal copy of the maitreya dev kit. It's common and there's people that prefer it-who am I to judge?
It's in Mythos now. Has pre made variants with the texture, all my textures included (all black dresses with a different type of tartan on each). Old doesn't equal ugly and usually in opensim if you don't like the "out of style" texture on something you can change it...you can use any LK ruffle bottom texture, any one someone else made with the AO, etc. The original AO map is in the box.
It's a shorter skirt so I put some old bloomers I made, and some stockings from Shinobar Annex in the box as a courtesy.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/485/180/27
| | Jupiter Rowland: Good thing you've added all your textures. That way, they can be applied to Linda's original meshes, complex as they may be. That said, would you consider rigging for two more bodies? One would be M... 4 months ago |
More hair. This is non rigged because it's short enough to not need rigging...messy double buns with loose strands on the side. It has Suzan Von Otto's very generous hud, but for one face texture only to keep this style simple. 100% legal, original and not pirated mesh. Don't sell, don't put on SL, don't run around telling folks these are your creations.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/484/173/27
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/484/173/27
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
Getting closer to Christmas, thinking of an old friend. We had a lot of fun racing these. Missing her laughter and personality. We all have some good times here, try and enjoy every moment because people don't last forever. She changed my life in a way she could never have imagined. Here's to old friends at Christmas!
News and updates...
Suzan Von Otto of Klamotto(https://opensimworld.com/hop/78282) messaged me last night to inform me she rigged my hair and made it two material faces, to be distributed freely with the nonrigged version. I will do this- but want to make a good hair hud for it first. Thinking of adding compatibility also with the "Decadence Hair Huds" I see floating around so people have even more choices.
2. I am making the main shops inside more cozy and finished looking. The idea is the newest or most popular things will stay right at the front outside but everything else goes inside eventually. Avatar stuff and hairs will go in "avatar magic" which is shaping into an "alternative sci/fantasy" beauty shop.
3. Just a few months away from new open source bodies and I finally fixed some errors I had with the Ruth2 V3 devkits...I have also legal copies of old maitreya devkit, among others from when I did things in SL. I have a few things I never put on the big grid and can, even for Athena users, because legal stuff for nonlegal bodies can be a "Gateway drug" to more legal content. And the problem isn't just going to go away cold turkey. So I can put my huge supply of "I made this, rigged it, it looks nice, never wore it in SL" on opensim. We'll see how it goes.
Suzan Von Otto of Klamotto(https://opensimworld.com/hop/78282) messaged me last night to inform me she rigged my hair and made it two material faces, to be distributed freely with the nonrigged version. I will do this- but want to make a good hair hud for it first. Thinking of adding compatibility also with the "Decadence Hair Huds" I see floating around so people have even more choices.
2. I am making the main shops inside more cozy and finished looking. The idea is the newest or most popular things will stay right at the front outside but everything else goes inside eventually. Avatar stuff and hairs will go in "avatar magic" which is shaping into an "alternative sci/fantasy" beauty shop.
3. Just a few months away from new open source bodies and I finally fixed some errors I had with the Ruth2 V3 devkits...I have also legal copies of old maitreya devkit, among others from when I did things in SL. I have a few things I never put on the big grid and can, even for Athena users, because legal stuff for nonlegal bodies can be a "Gateway drug" to more legal content. And the problem isn't just going to go away cold turkey. So I can put my huge supply of "I made this, rigged it, it looks nice, never wore it in SL" on opensim. We'll see how it goes.
A 100% legal, non copybotted , creator made mesh head. Boxed as an avatar base...shape, skin, eyes, head, courtesy Ruth RC3 made BOM. The skins I used a template for in part, according to the creator's license it cannot be transfer-sorry about that. You can of course use any skin or shape you want. Responds to bento animations such as smiling and blinking. No mesh eyes or AO included.
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/487/170/27
These heads I made from 2019 to 2021- I put a couple up an SL. They were intended as a low ARC, "Wear and go" solution without huds and scripts. I made them first for my partner who just HATES most huds. I sold them for about 400L each. People liked them but I got a lot of bizarre comments like "yeah it's really beautiful and good but I have to stay loyal to Catwa even though I like them a lot"... since opensim people seem more capable of not letting brand loyalty totally dictate their interests, they are better fitted here.
Don't sell, don't tell people you made the mesh, don't put it on SL . Please don't god mod the skin, I legitimately cannot give it transfer, if you need it for your alts bring them all in or message me and I'll just give it to you.
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
hop://hg.osgrid.org:80/Mythos/487/170/27
These heads I made from 2019 to 2021- I put a couple up an SL. They were intended as a low ARC, "Wear and go" solution without huds and scripts. I made them first for my partner who just HATES most huds. I sold them for about 400L each. People liked them but I got a lot of bizarre comments like "yeah it's really beautiful and good but I have to stay loyal to Catwa even though I like them a lot"... since opensim people seem more capable of not letting brand loyalty totally dictate their interests, they are better fitted here.
Don't sell, don't tell people you made the mesh, don't put it on SL . Please don't god mod the skin, I legitimately cannot give it transfer, if you need it for your alts bring them all in or message me and I'll just give it to you.
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.en
| | Harper Held: I think they're cute, I have to come see them ingame. As far as this specific thread goes? Moderate, rip and tear -delete mercilessly. It's kind of what you have to do here. Anyway -thanks for adding ... 5 months ago |
Do you see? Finally a surfboard rezzer for the public to take home has been released - and a surfboard design kit so you can make your own cool board and use it in the rezzer on your sim (bullet enabled). This is after months and months of obsessing with several people and it still gets updated every few days. BUT this is the very best available surfing to date in Hypergrid / Opensim. Please come grab your copy and also make sure to send me your finished boards ( a copy) so I can hang your creation on the wall of designs by locals. Fun! Merry Christmas, ,much love.
📝 A short and sweet surf video
Surfing and feeling great!
Welcome to the Nautilus Turtle Bay Swingers Club !
This is a clothing optional Beach and Dance area for adult nude enthusiasts. Dress Code is Nude or Beach Wear. ADULT ONLY PLEASE.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/80602
This is a clothing optional Beach and Dance area for adult nude enthusiasts. Dress Code is Nude or Beach Wear. ADULT ONLY PLEASE.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/80602
When I posted about my newest edition of overwatch sentry with height and age block menu's, it got a lot of negative comments and not one person posted anything good about it. This made me realize it is not a good idea, and I heard you. As a result I have canned that project and deleted the prototype from wizardry and from my inventory. I have schizophrenia, and I have had to learn not to be ashamed and to ask for help is the only way I can get it. But that also means sometimes I do things which are not normal, so I rely on the feedback of you guys to let me know when I've done something a bit odd. Thank you for your feedback, I have heard you loud and clear. :) No more overwatch sentry.
| | Pagane: Thank you! KISS!!!! 5 months ago |
The waves are finally running in the right direction, and the textures are nice totally custom. I need opinions of the surfing action now. Let me know what you think after you come try the waves in world. Thank you!
Early Winter Present, 2x2 Var region .oar with snow terrain, and ice lake, falling particle snow, and terraformed terrain with snowy pine trees, all ready for you to build your perfect winter sim.
This is a file for you to use, not a sim to visit.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/090rz2b0diahyhz/EmptyWinter...
This is a file for you to use, not a sim to visit.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/090rz2b0diahyhz/EmptyWinter...
| | KatKakoola: Looks wonderful thank you so much! Going for my winter coat :) 7 months ago |
Small change to OSW home page possible?
Opensimworld is such a great resource for opensim - love it! The home page has so much useful info on it.
My request - could The Box be moved further down the page? Maybe swap with Events or Bookmarks? Just because more often than not The Box is so depressingly infantile and completely useless to anyone looking for information.
My request - could The Box be moved further down the page? Maybe swap with Events or Bookmarks? Just because more often than not The Box is so depressingly infantile and completely useless to anyone looking for information.
Finally the nudist beach and the resort you were waiting for, where you can have sex in freedom.
Come and spend your holidays or a romantic or sexual weekend in a wonderful atoll on our grid. Use our numerous houses or stilt houses in the middle of the sea, or entertain yourself in our gym to have a session that is not just sporty ;)
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Finalmente la spiaggia nudista e il resort che aspettavi, dove poter fare sesso in libertà.
Vieni a passare le tue vacanze o un weekend romantico o sessuale in un meraviglioso atollo della nostra grid. Utilizza le nostre numerose abitazioni o palafitte in mezzo al mare, oppure intrattieniti nella nostra palestra per avere una sessione non solo sportiva ;)
Come and spend your holidays or a romantic or sexual weekend in a wonderful atoll on our grid. Use our numerous houses or stilt houses in the middle of the sea, or entertain yourself in our gym to have a session that is not just sporty ;)
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Finalmente la spiaggia nudista e il resort che aspettavi, dove poter fare sesso in libertà.
Vieni a passare le tue vacanze o un weekend romantico o sessuale in un meraviglioso atollo della nostra grid. Utilizza le nostre numerose abitazioni o palafitte in mezzo al mare, oppure intrattieniti nella nostra palestra per avere una sessione non solo sportiva ;)
Community Virtual Library - Hypergrid communityvirtuallibrary.org
Real librarianship in virtual worlds
Nautilus Cape Cod has reopened its Fish House Restaurant! Have a romantic Dinner or grab a lunch after sailing and exploring the Nautilus Ocean waters. The Restaurant is across from the Marina that has many free boats that work effortlessly on the Nautilus waters. The Restaurant has charming views of Cape Cod which has long term residents. There are free cottages to call home, the last one just became available and sits on its own private Island. ENJOY!
https://opensimworld.com/hop/88735
hg.osgrid.org:80:Cape Cod
https://opensimworld.com/hop/88735
hg.osgrid.org:80:Cape Cod
| | Chad Deischer: Thank you for the likes 1 years ago |
Come and live among the vampires and zombies.
Help create a fun environment living with the constant threat from vampires.
The zombies and other NPC's are usually just food for the vampires and you.
You can bite NPC's, and you can bite Avatars.
All is fair when you need the blood.
There is a local shop that I am populating with items handy for survival.
There are 5 large parcels left, all with 5000 prim allowance.
Only grid members can rent a parcel (Free), but anyone can come and browse.
So come and make an account at: https://www.neverworldgrid.com/
note: Please don't come and just make a halloween scene and disappear.
Taxi: hg.neverworldgrid.com:8002:Thundersnow
Help create a fun environment living with the constant threat from vampires.
The zombies and other NPC's are usually just food for the vampires and you.
You can bite NPC's, and you can bite Avatars.
All is fair when you need the blood.
There is a local shop that I am populating with items handy for survival.
There are 5 large parcels left, all with 5000 prim allowance.
Only grid members can rent a parcel (Free), but anyone can come and browse.
So come and make an account at: https://www.neverworldgrid.com/
note: Please don't come and just make a halloween scene and disappear.
Taxi: hg.neverworldgrid.com:8002:Thundersnow
Burning ships! Want to win such a ship? Visit Catronian Archipelago, enter the door to the Riddle stone hunt, search the gemstones ( you get gifts ) , solve the riddle and win a ship of your choice from this collection! You can use the ship to participate in our battles. https://www.kitely.com/market/product/61399680/Sea-Eagle-S...
Collars update: RLV system.
This one was a blunder I personally made, I accidentally misplaced a script (oc_rlvsuite) inside another script oc_rlvsys.
So the RLV subsystem will not work as expected.
To fix that either grab a fresh copy of the collar at the store or if you feel adventurous do the following:
Edit your collar and from the root prim delete these two scripts:
oc_rlvsuite and oc_rlvsys
Then select the prim named "RLV" (it's the grey one if you rez the collar on the ground) and delete the script inside.
Then open the updater and get the fresh scripts from there:
oc_rlvsys and oc_rlvsuite
and put oc_rlvsuite in the root prim and oc_rlvsys in the prim called "RLV".
You can get the updater at the Kinky shop or just grab your favourite collar already fixed.
And if you want to curse someone for this, go ahead and blame me, Oki is innocent =/
This one was a blunder I personally made, I accidentally misplaced a script (oc_rlvsuite) inside another script oc_rlvsys.
So the RLV subsystem will not work as expected.
To fix that either grab a fresh copy of the collar at the store or if you feel adventurous do the following:
Edit your collar and from the root prim delete these two scripts:
oc_rlvsuite and oc_rlvsys
Then select the prim named "RLV" (it's the grey one if you rez the collar on the ground) and delete the script inside.
Then open the updater and get the fresh scripts from there:
oc_rlvsys and oc_rlvsuite
and put oc_rlvsuite in the root prim and oc_rlvsys in the prim called "RLV".
You can get the updater at the Kinky shop or just grab your favourite collar already fixed.
And if you want to curse someone for this, go ahead and blame me, Oki is innocent =/
Oggi scrivo perche sono veramente arrabbiata e ritengo che non sia questo il modo in cui si dovrebbe "giocare" nel metaverso .
Troppe invidie , troppe paranoie ...appena entri in una land subito che ti vengono in I.M. per dirti che non si può copiare nulla.......ma non vi sembra di essere tutti un po troppo ridicoli?
Capisco i creatori....ma quelli che gia copiano roba degli altri che vogliono???
E poi diciamocelo quasi tutto quello in open sim è stato "rubato " da second life con programmi non proprio leciti e legali!
Quindi dico rilassatevi...se uno lascia il "copia" non vedo perche non copiare....diverso è se come detto prima si usano programmi non leciti e allora è giusto protestare .
Poi a volte vi dimenticate che questa NON E' LA REALTA'!
Qui non ci si sposa davvero...non ci si fidanza davvero non si va a letto a dormire davvero......VIVETE LA VITA REALE CHE E' MEGLIO!
Troppe invidie , troppe paranoie ...appena entri in una land subito che ti vengono in I.M. per dirti che non si può copiare nulla.......ma non vi sembra di essere tutti un po troppo ridicoli?
Capisco i creatori....ma quelli che gia copiano roba degli altri che vogliono???
E poi diciamocelo quasi tutto quello in open sim è stato "rubato " da second life con programmi non proprio leciti e legali!
Quindi dico rilassatevi...se uno lascia il "copia" non vedo perche non copiare....diverso è se come detto prima si usano programmi non leciti e allora è giusto protestare .
Poi a volte vi dimenticate che questa NON E' LA REALTA'!
Qui non ci si sposa davvero...non ci si fidanza davvero non si va a letto a dormire davvero......VIVETE LA VITA REALE CHE E' MEGLIO!
| | TrisTH: more of the same from my post today.... 1 years ago |
TO THOSE GRIDS THAT BLOCK US...
There are 7 of us, me who made the grid for the others, and 6 students, who rotate. We don't even change our avatar, we still have the same clothes, skin...
We like to go to the list of new regions to see what people have made new. If you don't want us to go, why advertise them on this site?
If you're afraid we'll rip you off, we dare you to find something on our grid that's not for sale. Even, when there is some special work, we post it and next to it we put a link to your grid (as in the case of Cherry Manga, Flora, Lani...).
We are not your competition in anything, we don't rent regions, we are not interested in users (although they are welcome if they prefer to be here).
As we said in another post, if someone wants something of what we do, ask us, we almost always forget to put it in copy or for sale).
In fact, the Welcome region, we have made it with links to this site and to places that we believe that anyone who comes to Opensim should know, because of their work.
On the other hand, we are disappointed with the people... it is sad, when they pass by you and even if you say hello, you do not receive the slightest sign of friendship. This is what hurts us the most (in our homes we are always forced since we were kids to say "hello" when you arrive and "goodbye" when you leave), indifference is punished with a "scolding".
We are so few and this is the relationship we are looking for... not even a "hello"... but a "don't come closer, I won't let you".
So, after this rambling, I leave you with the image of the endangered species of freshwater fish, which I'm sure we have stolen from Kittely or some similar site :))))
Long live freedom and death to the Troll!!!
There are 7 of us, me who made the grid for the others, and 6 students, who rotate. We don't even change our avatar, we still have the same clothes, skin...
We like to go to the list of new regions to see what people have made new. If you don't want us to go, why advertise them on this site?
If you're afraid we'll rip you off, we dare you to find something on our grid that's not for sale. Even, when there is some special work, we post it and next to it we put a link to your grid (as in the case of Cherry Manga, Flora, Lani...).
We are not your competition in anything, we don't rent regions, we are not interested in users (although they are welcome if they prefer to be here).
As we said in another post, if someone wants something of what we do, ask us, we almost always forget to put it in copy or for sale).
In fact, the Welcome region, we have made it with links to this site and to places that we believe that anyone who comes to Opensim should know, because of their work.
On the other hand, we are disappointed with the people... it is sad, when they pass by you and even if you say hello, you do not receive the slightest sign of friendship. This is what hurts us the most (in our homes we are always forced since we were kids to say "hello" when you arrive and "goodbye" when you leave), indifference is punished with a "scolding".
We are so few and this is the relationship we are looking for... not even a "hello"... but a "don't come closer, I won't let you".
So, after this rambling, I leave you with the image of the endangered species of freshwater fish, which I'm sure we have stolen from Kittely or some similar site :))))
Long live freedom and death to the Troll!!!
DJ Princess Alex is doing a warm up for DJ Henk .... just TP into the ILU Grid and join the fun.
Happy New Year From the (OSG) Nautilus Community
Wishing you all Happiness and Health
Hold onto what is special and let the negative wash out with the tide
https://opensimworld.com/hop/88481
hg.osgrid.org:80:Nautilus Isle
Wishing you all Happiness and Health
Hold onto what is special and let the negative wash out with the tide
https://opensimworld.com/hop/88481
hg.osgrid.org:80:Nautilus Isle
My 2022 Christmas gift for the community, at least for the Ruth2 v4 users:
Nail polish for Ruth2 v4.
Two boxes with BoM nail polish in 31 colours altogether. One box contains the 22 original colours from the Ruth 2.0 nail polish applier plus one bonus colour. The other one contains the 8 nail polish colours from the Ruth2 v4 HUD, but now covering the whole nail. Both sets come with a Readme notecard with instructions.
They're currently only available in the Westend (https://opensimworld.com/hop/80119) at my R2 shop (at 44/67/22, opposite the Statue of Liberty), but I've passed copies to Ai Austin, and I expect it to appear on the official R2 sim soon. I'll also roll them out to other sims offering Ruth2 v4.
Both boxes are full-perm (or should be; drop me a note if they aren't) and licensed under Creative Commons CC0. You can copy the boxes or buy the content.
Nail polish for Ruth2 v4.
Two boxes with BoM nail polish in 31 colours altogether. One box contains the 22 original colours from the Ruth 2.0 nail polish applier plus one bonus colour. The other one contains the 8 nail polish colours from the Ruth2 v4 HUD, but now covering the whole nail. Both sets come with a Readme notecard with instructions.
They're currently only available in the Westend (https://opensimworld.com/hop/80119) at my R2 shop (at 44/67/22, opposite the Statue of Liberty), but I've passed copies to Ai Austin, and I expect it to appear on the official R2 sim soon. I'll also roll them out to other sims offering Ruth2 v4.
Both boxes are full-perm (or should be; drop me a note if they aren't) and licensed under Creative Commons CC0. You can copy the boxes or buy the content.
| | Jupiter Rowland: Well, Austin was surprisingly fast. He added both boxes to the official sim (hg.osgrid.80:RuthAndroth) yesterday. 1 years ago |
If you have not upgraded to DREAMGRID 5.28 - May I suggest you do? It has many bug fixes, and I have noticed that a LOT OF THINGS seem to work a lot better with 5.28 than with any other version previous. This is amazing! Be sure to thank super-genius Fred for his amazing and awesome work. :)
| | Marianna : It's an honor to work with you. You have been a great help to me. I appreciate everything you have done for me. My sincerest thanks go to you for all the help you provided. 1 years ago |
Whatever we say is a lie is a lie and breaking the rules is a violation. We all know which SIMs are breaking the rules and submitting fake attendance data. We also know why they do it.
I removed their names from here. Only shame remained.
I am ashamed to discuss this matter further.
Thank you for the stones with which you beat me.
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Calm the hysteria!
no one wants you to close regions or stop your work.
I want ONLY and ONLY FAIR GAME!
Is it that hard?
All you know names of SIM with fake visitors list.
Again - i delete shame list.
Excuse me, but it is offensive to me to do this.
I don't know about you, with what impudence and shamelessness you shout that I am driving away the thousands of customers from your overcrowded SIM.
People leave OPENSIM because they go around the beacon popular places looking for PEOPLE and only find bots or abandoned avatars.
No one comes from SL to buy free rags (yes they are lovely!), people want to COMMUNICATE!!!
I know you won't understand me. It's just that you've already closed yourself up in your made-up happiness and don't want to go out and socialize. You can blame me for all your sins. do it! You can post from your dozens of clones created to mimic crowds of supporters.... Ban me, report me, shame me!
And don't shout that someone banned or restricted you! The only one punished in OSW is me, and again because I told the truth that the number of visitors was fake! I confessed and I was punished because the rules are like that!
Want me to delete this SIM and everything on it? OK, but will that erase the lie? Will it bring at least one new user to OpenSIM? Will it remove the six traditionally parked dolls from the new beach party region (yes, yes - the newcomers follow tradition)?
OPEN THE DOOR AND GET OUT AMONG THE PEOPLE.
COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE, NOT YOUR OWN COPIES!
And don't worry, I won't make a new list. It's pointless, it's disgraceful.
P.S. No matter how much you don't like the truth, it doesn't change the facts. No matter how many times you repeat lies, they will not become truth.
You are only spoiling the good impression of your other actions...
I removed their names from here. Only shame remained.
I am ashamed to discuss this matter further.
Thank you for the stones with which you beat me.
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Calm the hysteria!
no one wants you to close regions or stop your work.
I want ONLY and ONLY FAIR GAME!
Is it that hard?
All you know names of SIM with fake visitors list.
Again - i delete shame list.
Excuse me, but it is offensive to me to do this.
I don't know about you, with what impudence and shamelessness you shout that I am driving away the thousands of customers from your overcrowded SIM.
People leave OPENSIM because they go around the beacon popular places looking for PEOPLE and only find bots or abandoned avatars.
No one comes from SL to buy free rags (yes they are lovely!), people want to COMMUNICATE!!!
I know you won't understand me. It's just that you've already closed yourself up in your made-up happiness and don't want to go out and socialize. You can blame me for all your sins. do it! You can post from your dozens of clones created to mimic crowds of supporters.... Ban me, report me, shame me!
And don't shout that someone banned or restricted you! The only one punished in OSW is me, and again because I told the truth that the number of visitors was fake! I confessed and I was punished because the rules are like that!
Want me to delete this SIM and everything on it? OK, but will that erase the lie? Will it bring at least one new user to OpenSIM? Will it remove the six traditionally parked dolls from the new beach party region (yes, yes - the newcomers follow tradition)?
OPEN THE DOOR AND GET OUT AMONG THE PEOPLE.
COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE, NOT YOUR OWN COPIES!
And don't worry, I won't make a new list. It's pointless, it's disgraceful.
P.S. No matter how much you don't like the truth, it doesn't change the facts. No matter how many times you repeat lies, they will not become truth.
You are only spoiling the good impression of your other actions...
| | Nico Kaliani: This post would be vastly improved by changing out the "OK" graphic with a picture of "Otay" Buckwheat Eddie Murphy. 1 years ago |
May the spirit of love and peace of Christmas be with you throughout the year. We wish you immense happiness this Christmas for you and your families. Enjoy Christmas, but sharing it with others is even better. Best wishes from Anthony
After two weeks of waiting, I can announce the results of the competition.
The owner of a single network admitted that he was wrong and mistakenly placed a fake beacon. This network name is now hidden.
During these two weeks a new group is attacking the title and if I have time I will update the ranking soon.
You can see everything else in the comments and review ...
From charges of throwing a party on my sim where I've ridde ....... My sim is technically unable to throw parties. I will not comment on all of them.
I will only comment on the emanation of impudence and shamelessness:
The hard-working admins who work on their sim for 18 hours without a break...... Sitting, during this time they are visited by the well-known Priscilla, but they don't even get up... They use a steel version of viewer that does not block and allows them to work even lying down... I trust them :)
And finally they threaten me that they are like Google and they set the rules... I am dying of fear that I have attached screenshots.
Tremble, all of you! As of today, the OpenSim community has a new ruler….
The owner of a single network admitted that he was wrong and mistakenly placed a fake beacon. This network name is now hidden.
During these two weeks a new group is attacking the title and if I have time I will update the ranking soon.
You can see everything else in the comments and review ...
From charges of throwing a party on my sim where I've ridde ....... My sim is technically unable to throw parties. I will not comment on all of them.
I will only comment on the emanation of impudence and shamelessness:
The hard-working admins who work on their sim for 18 hours without a break...... Sitting, during this time they are visited by the well-known Priscilla, but they don't even get up... They use a steel version of viewer that does not block and allows them to work even lying down... I trust them :)
And finally they threaten me that they are like Google and they set the rules... I am dying of fear that I have attached screenshots.
Tremble, all of you! As of today, the OpenSim community has a new ruler….
| | SamuSmith: What is this here? Im on this sim and there is nothing only 2 cubes with fake sim informations pictures. Please remove this fake post that here is a shame 1 years ago |
Plötzlich und unerwaret schlief am 4.12. mein liebster Rudi unser Grid Vater ein
Ich bin nur ins Zimmer nebenan gegangen.
Nichts ist passiert.
Alles bleibt genauso wie es war.
Ich bin ich, und ihr seid ihr, und das alte Leben, das wir so liebevoll zusammen lebten, ist unberührt und unverändert.
Was auch immer wir füreinander waren, das sind wir noch.
Ruft mich mit meinem alten vertrauten Namen.
Sprecht von mir in derselben selbstverständlichen Redeweise, die ihr immer benutzt habt.
Macht keinen Unterschied im Ton.
Erzeugt keine gezwungene Atmospäre der Feierlichkeit oder des Kummers.
Lacht, wie wir immer über die kleinen Späße lachten, die wir gemeinsam genossen haben.
Spielt, lächelt, denkt an mich, betet für mich.
Lasst meinen Namen immer vertraut und alltäglich bleiben, wie er es bisher auch war.
Lasst ihn ohne Anstrengung gesprochen werden, ohne einen geisterhaften Schatten.
Das Leben bedeutet alles, was es vorher auch bedeutet hat.
Es ist dasselbe wie es immer war. Es gibt absolute und ununterbrochene Kontinuität.
Was ist dieser Tod anderes als ein vernachlässigbarer Unfall?
Warum sollte ich aus eurem Sinn sein, nur weil ihr mich nicht mehr sehen könnt?
Ich warte in der Zwischenzeit auf euch, irgendwo ganz in der Nähe, gleich um die Ecke.
Alles ist gut.
Nichts ist verletzt; nichts ist verloren .
Ein kurzer Moment und alles wird so sein wie früher.
Wie werden wir über die Mühen des Abschieds lachen, wenn wir uns wiedersehen!
Ich bin nur ins Zimmer nebenan gegangen.
Nichts ist passiert.
Alles bleibt genauso wie es war.
Ich bin ich, und ihr seid ihr, und das alte Leben, das wir so liebevoll zusammen lebten, ist unberührt und unverändert.
Was auch immer wir füreinander waren, das sind wir noch.
Ruft mich mit meinem alten vertrauten Namen.
Sprecht von mir in derselben selbstverständlichen Redeweise, die ihr immer benutzt habt.
Macht keinen Unterschied im Ton.
Erzeugt keine gezwungene Atmospäre der Feierlichkeit oder des Kummers.
Lacht, wie wir immer über die kleinen Späße lachten, die wir gemeinsam genossen haben.
Spielt, lächelt, denkt an mich, betet für mich.
Lasst meinen Namen immer vertraut und alltäglich bleiben, wie er es bisher auch war.
Lasst ihn ohne Anstrengung gesprochen werden, ohne einen geisterhaften Schatten.
Das Leben bedeutet alles, was es vorher auch bedeutet hat.
Es ist dasselbe wie es immer war. Es gibt absolute und ununterbrochene Kontinuität.
Was ist dieser Tod anderes als ein vernachlässigbarer Unfall?
Warum sollte ich aus eurem Sinn sein, nur weil ihr mich nicht mehr sehen könnt?
Ich warte in der Zwischenzeit auf euch, irgendwo ganz in der Nähe, gleich um die Ecke.
Alles ist gut.
Nichts ist verletzt; nichts ist verloren .
Ein kurzer Moment und alles wird so sein wie früher.
Wie werden wir über die Mühen des Abschieds lachen, wenn wir uns wiedersehen!
| | Tatum: I've known rudi a little bit (under different avis), but I do remember one of the nicest and most kind people of OS. Rest well my friendly friend! My condolences to friends and family! 1 years ago |
Mac with 15 accounts on 6 grids caught .. two down,....
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| | Hugabug: yeah that one there is trouble 1 years ago |