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That's a point I've made before myself. Those who cry they are being deplatformed, or whining that they are having their right to free speech curtailed fail to understand that those whose platform it is get to decide who can use it. If they feel the need to express their stuff they, as you say, can spend their own coins, or if denied that, go and set up their own blog somewhere, though the kind of stuff we've been dealing with just recently would likely get spiked on most free speech platforms too, because it goes way beyond free speech.

They might then need to set up their own website to peddle their vileness.
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No one should have to accept the kind of abuse that Xpletive regularly hands out when someone incurs his ire. He is intolerance personified. I'm just glad this time that so many of us have rallied round and stood in solidarity. It's just a shame there are still so many appeasers. Still, we know who they are now, and know that they won't stand up for what is right.
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Like you, I cannot remain silent on this, as, like I suspect many who have this time commented, I too have been subjected to Xpletive's full vileness. I have no problem when people disagree with me, but I strive to keep it respectful and civil. Though Xpletive will claim to not be bothered, it's my guess, due to the expressed strength of feeling, (and I suspect the back channels to Satyr will have been somewhat busy) he will keep something of a low profile.
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Never forgive, never forget, there are some things that are beyond the pale.
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Yeah, it's the apologists for the right wing nut jobs that are a bigger problem, especially when they see some sort of equivalence. You and I haven't agreed on some things, but I'd never sell you out, and I'm pretty sure that most who have made their feelings felt over this subject would likewise show solidarity when needed.

I'm sure that some of those who advocate appeasement are well-intentioned, but there are such things as fool's errands.
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I agree 100% with what you're saying, absolutely! I think for some folks they think if they appear 'reasonable' then they'll become an exception or something? I have no idea, or any way to know.
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Yeah, perhaps those people need a gentle reminder about Pastor Martin Niemöller:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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Don't leave Dorena, you have far more support than you realise. There is (thank goodness) only one Xpletive and there are many of us who don't like him or approve of his behaviour. We are many, he is one. Despite his claims, if we stand firm and refuse to accept his abuses and the excuses of his apologists he will eventually go, or at least remain silent. No one stays where they are not wanted for long.
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Would you also advocate forgiveness for Hitler or Stalin or Mao? Or more appropriately in this case, Trump? Xpletive would just see those who 'forgive' him as weaklings. It is he who needs to show contrition because it is he who is in the wrong. I think you need to get real about people and realise that some just don't want to live and let live and respect others. You seem just a little naïve.
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I think most of us are here for positive reasons, and by and large most of us live by the rule of live and let live. However, that doesn't mean that we should have to tolerate a stream of abuse, including hate speech against us merely for disagreeing with someone, especially someone who seems to harbour some quite disturbing attitudes. There is no way that remaining silent on that is acceptable, even to spare the feelings of those who become all uptight the moment that something turns even the slightest bit 'political'. It's strange that those on the left who are thus sensitive are immediately labelled 'snowflakes' or worse, but there is no equivalent for those with right-wing, or 'conservative' sensibilities who are likewise sensitive. It should hardly be necessary to remind people that all things involving humans is political by definition, in the broadest sense. From the perspective of most of us here, I suggest that we need to be accepting of difference, but that acceptance should abruptly end where any form of misanthropy begins. We don't have to agree to the fine details of our own political beliefs, and though I'm quite radically to the left I am also happy to listen to genuine conservatives who likewise respects the humanity of others. There is a lot of common ground, and I know that there are many allies among people who regard themselves as conservatives when it comes to the politics of hatred as manifested by Trump and the MAGA movement in the USA, the current Tory party and right-wing Reform UK and UKIP in the United Kingdom, AfD in Germany and the burgeoning ultra-right in many other European countries. Most of us here are completely opposed to what any of those organisations stand for, and I'd suggest that anyone with a mind to merely brush these bodies off as in any way a threat seriously reconsider. It might be painful to have to make these kinds of choices, but it's a darned sight less painful than having to face the logical outcomes sometime in the future.

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To anyone tempted to bring in the false equivalent comparison with ' far left-wing' excesses, let me remind you, the far left are a vanishingly small threat to the status quo, which is under assault from the right. I know only around 20% of any population is supportive of such extremes, but it's the silent majority, those who do nothing who enable. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
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It's me, I'm the far left extremist ;)
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I never considered myself an actual leftist. However, the MAGAtz, Nazis, bigots, misogynists, and fascists do; so I am happy to lean into it. I am an ANCAP socialist, but I am no Marxist. Screw seizing the means of production. Automate it all. Let's become the great civilization of artists, artisans, philosophers, and inventors.
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Hmm, there are Marxists and there are Marxists. Some are odious totalitarians no better than Trump, but there are others who have a lot to contribute - Yanis Varoufakis might be of interest to you. Likewise, Aaron Bastani, who wrote Fully Automated Luxury Communism and is a co-founder of Novara Media (has a channel on YouTube that's worth a look, some very interesting interviews with wide range of people with interesting ideas, and not just from the left). Both Bastani and Varoufakis don't advocate seizing the means of production, but rather making the means of production serve social needs.

I'm not a Marxist myself (and neither was Marx himself), but there are some contemporary Marxist thinkers who do have something of value to add to the debate, and, as far as I can tell, aren't at all eager to usurp power, indeed they stress the utter importance of maintaining democracy, and preferably a grass-roots democracy.
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Shhhh, I'd be wary of saying that too loudly here!
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Nah, Glenn is a complete prick. His knob might have fallen off, hence the impotent anger, but he's still an utter prick. Get your 'GlennXpletive is a dick' hoodies here!
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Not primitive at all, simply stating truths. What does it matter what sex someone is in RL? For all we know you could be a woman, or someone transitioning; it doesn't matter a jot. Glenn deserves all he gets: there is only one bigot here, and that's Glenn, he proves it over and over with his hate speech, which contrary to VickyJoanne's opinion below, is't problematic or difficult to define at all. It's simply any language that seeks to undermine, dehumanise or derogate someone else without sound justification, i.e. is a lie.

There are those, who, from a standpoint of false equivalence who will argue that calling out nazis, fascists, racists etc is unfair, as they have a right to their opinions too. As Thomas Mann said, "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" I don't know whether Glenn is a fascist, but I do know he is a Trump supporter an MAGA fruitcake. and along with Trump Glenn is the kind of person who enables fascism and the rise of the far right. I wonder what is Glenn's opinion of the Unite the RIght rally in Charlottesville in 2017? Maybe that would be unfair, as wouldn't want to tax the mans clearly confused thinking too much, as I'm pretty sure he'd be somewhat conflicted, especially over the 'Commie libtard nazi fasicst' counter-protestor who was brutally murdered.
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Nice one Xenon! Idiots like Xpletive must always be called out. The only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to them. I'm actually surprised at the amount of hatred he seems to have inside. He's clearly not in possession of a healthy mind.
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Nah, Glenn seems to suffer from a very extreme form of Tourette's Syndrome.
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A seriously disturbed individual who needs help.
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It's time Xpletive got his comeuppance. Having been a target for his invective I can only say that I'm glad that people are now taking him to task. I very much doubt that Xpletive is gay, (unless he's very much in the closet) as he is just far too full of the type of toxic masculinity that includes large elements of homophobia. We all know that he's a misogynistic know all who has a decidedly inflated opinion of himself. Anyone who has visited his beach creation will be aware that it's a mediocre attempt at best, and not the bee's knees as he seems to think.

I wouldn't mind if he could disagree in a polite and respectful manner, but his ego is such that it's easily damaged and then he comes over all hurt and verbally revengeful. I also doubt his claims of superior intellect, as if he was so damned intelligent he wouldn't be coming out with all the Trumpsita MAGA shit that he seems to revel in.

Xpletive is just another immature, fragile male ego that can brook no challenge.
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Samesies! I am not trans or gay, but I am an ally all day long! And as for bullying and the rumor mill, I am so over it! And even more disgusted with the bullies who cry foul and claim others bully them when they are called out.
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Great to see a detailed discussion of technical issues here, (makes a change from drama!) though I have to say that at present much of what is being discussed is a bit over my head. I want to get into creating in mesh, having been a prim builder for a long time (I still build with prims, but increasingly appreciate where mesh is superior) but most tutorials are really truly bad (boy some people can waffle!) confusing and offer no real support. Inworld classses ar an option, of course, but not always suitable due to timezone differences. At one time Aine Caoimhe's excellent 'Baby Steps' tutorials used to be available, but are now behind a restricted access on her Blogger page. I've not seen any other Opensim/SL specific tutorials anywhere, and what I particularly liked about Aine's tutorials is that they were written in an accessible way and were straightforward to follow, and started with the fundamentals, such as setting up the Blender interface so that it was better suited to Opensim creation. I remember discussing this with Aine, and discovering that we both were a bit 'old school' when it comes to instruction, and much preferred a long-hand written approach to (often very poorly made) video tutorials.

Would there be any chance of there being some basic, introductory tutorials here on OSW so that more of us could get into legitimate content creation, whether that's from scratch or adapting the huge amount of content that is liberally licenced.
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I agree the vast resources makes learning from step 1 a challenge. I know for me I have a very hard time with written instruction and following the steps, I get lost in "wording" sometimes. I started out using the YouTube videos, I would find one on what I would be currently working on such as a Ruffle, or a cupcake liner making those little zig zag folds. I would play the video just a few secs, stop it and try to do what was just shown. I continued this till I understood the steps of how. I must have had Blender on my Desktop for over two years before that. What also makes it a challenge is that you have to learn all the aspects, the modeling, texturing, rigging, and animating. What you learn is that Blender has lots of modifiers when enabled create the magic, even decimate cleaning up the model. Then you have multiple addons that work alongside blender to give more features. I love addons and use many different ones (that you also have to learn.) Make sure you have plenty of time too because it takes years and then you still have more learning to do. There has been basic blender classes but many don't focus on what each person needs to learn. I would love to help guide you any way that I can, it would benefit you the best is if we work on where you are at currently - a step at a time. I could give you tips as you progress. There are good videos you just have to search them out, and make sure you play them a few secs then stop and do what was just shown helps.
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Thanks for your kind offer Marianna, and I will probably get in touch with you about learning the basics. However, video tutorials leave me cold, I just cannot get on with them as I am very much a text focused person, either that or see and do, and I just can't get that from a video, usually made by a well meaning person who doesn't have the first clue who their audience is, but that goes for a lot of the written tutorials too. Of course, there are examples of near excellence, but they are few and far between.

However, for me it'd be great to be able to set up the Blender interface to reflect its usage for Opensim creation, in the way that Aine Caoimhe showed how to do as she says it makes things far less complicated.

For my part, I would, once I have become proficient, write step by step tutorials for all I have learned. I have written tutorials for setting up things in Linux, including running an instance of Opensim, as well as setting up the driver and other software needed to use my pen display on Linux that isn't officially supposed to work on Linux
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Yes, I have written a few howto articles about what interested me, in hopes that it would interest others. All the basic tutorials have already been written and are available at Blender. Learn the basics first at Blender, the GUI, Addons, Modifiers, get familiar with the dashboard and where to find things is important. As you learn then yes please do write an article for the rest of us, we are all still learning too. I use RhinoGold which is now MatrixGold, most of my Blender work is converting, rigging, I have several garment addons with neat libraries of assets, Blenderkit is another great library of assets. some texture work I am still learning to do that too. If we all share what we learn it will benefit all of us. I will write more articles in the future too.
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There are RP grids, but I suspect that most of them are private affairs that might not even be HG enabled. Second Life is horrendously expensive and there are some RP games that just don't work that well on a sim or two at the extortionate rates that Linden Labs charge. Anything in Second Life pales almost into insignificance when you can have a 2560x2560 var for your pirate or naval warfare RP running for at least full year for the cost of a month's tier for an SL sim if someone home hosts the server. I came across a few such communities when I first arrived in Opensim more than a decade ago, RP communities that had latched on to the fact that with a modicum of technical ability they could have so much more than they had in Second Life for a fraction of the cost.
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I think that anything related to the truth on this region is a mere coincidence, as there was certainly no intent to present the truth or even a truth.
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Anyone but an idiot would have seem the influence of Qanon all over the place with the ludicrous conspiracy theories being peddled. Engage your brain, do a little reading around on the internet (not the conspiracy sites themselves, unless you're a real masochist). You're of course free to believe what you want, but if you read the actual UN document referred to on the region where they claim that the UN and WHO are promoting paedophillia you'll soon see how it's all lies.
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We can agree to disagree without calling those who thinks differently than you an "idiot". Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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I speak as I find and to suggest that anyone who has swallowed the Qanon crap as thinking differently is stretching things somewhat. If those people actually thought instead of regurgitating utter nonsense then quite clearly all the dangerous Qanon conspiracy theories wouldn't have got anywhere. However, Qanon and various conspiracy theories seem to have gone down well with redneck MAGA Trump supporters and the far-right.
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Yeah, anyone believing the crap peddled on this region deserves all they get. I always thought that it was a somewhat tragic, yet poetic justice when I heard reports of so many Covid deniers succumbing, clearly an example of Darwinism in action, or maybe perhaps idiocy would be a little more apt a word.

I was particularly incensed by the claim that the UN and WHO are promoting paedophilia - there is literally no evidence to support this ludicrous and disgusting claim. I know, because I have read all the UN literature, and indeed, the document concerned isn't actually a document published by the UN anyway) and as it happens is only a guideline document anyway. In all cases that I have seen this ludicrous claim has been used to justify opposition to teaching children and young people information that could literally save their lives, or, at the very least, prevent them from becoming pregnant, acquiring STDs or being sexually abused. That any even moderately intelligent person could for a moment believe that whole education systems could teach children that it's okay to be abused is quite simply monstrous. There is a group in Wales where I live called Public Child Protection Wales who are peddling this crap, and they have lost at least one court case when they tried to prevent the compulsory teaching of sex education in schools in Wales. There is no parental opt out option, and all children are to be educated in an age appropriate manner. This education does not include anything that is detrimental in the way that PCPW and other of their ilk, this side, or the other side of the pond.

Perhaps the religous right wack jobs who are promoting this shit are worried that the world's education systems will educate children to recognise when they are being abused, whether that is sexually or psychologically.

And as far as there being some mysterious world order based on he WEF, conspirators should give their heads a wobble and actually look at the state of the world: they'd soon see that the world is nowhere near under the control of one mysterious body, and there are plenty of places where there is a large degree of friction and many, many others where countries live in mutual respect, doing their own thing, nd indeed, many of them broke away from bigger political entities in order to do just that. If anything, the notion of a world order controlled by anyone or any shady group rapidly seems totally bananas.

Paradoxically, it's people such as Trump who are those who would seek to dominate the world order, which given the propensity of these wack jobs who support him to believe in conspiracy theories, is quite ironic.

I think that until proved otherwise, this socialist, agnostic lesbian woman will remain on the side of the sane and treat all those who believe in the crap peddled on this region with the contempt it deserves. I have a brain, and quite simply my intelligence was insulted.
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"Yeah, anyone believing the crap peddled on this region deserves all they get" - what's the supposed to mean exactly? Don't both with a reply. It's obvious what side of the line in the sand you're standing on. Go bully someone else. Those of us who don't believe in Fauci and friends are not strangers into being bullied into silence. Go try to sensor and bully someone else who disagrees with you. AND YES many of US SUPPORT TRUMP! The world was much better with him at the helm ... NO WARS! A fact nobody can argue or deny. It was worth all the "hurt feelings".
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It's clear where I stand simply because i made it very clear. Did I mention censorship? As a matter of fact I believe that people should be able to speak their minds, and then be held accountable for what they say. As for bullying, surely your lot on the extreme right have the upper hand on that, denying women abortions and supporting that fascist demagogue Trump. It's particularly galling when I see women supporting a misogynist the calibre of Trump. Hopefully justice will prevail and the orange bastard will be banged up for a long time.

Let me make it crystal clear. I will always draw attention to things that i disagree with, things that seek to enslave people, such as the kind of crap on your region. I will expose those who distort and manipulate religion to peddle their warped ideologies, prey on the feeble-minded and gullible.
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But what an awful choice of beer though. I'm a strict Budweiser drinker, and I mean this stuff https://budweiserbudvar.com/uk/# and not the vastly inferior concoction of a similar name drunk by people not in the know!
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I'm interested, as I am always on the look for interesting visuals and use normal and specular maps quite frequently in my builds. I'm not a gamer, so I'm largely unaware of what is happening in that field apart from the odd video I see of game action. I like the fact that OS allows many graphical options and the platform is certainly capable of supporting spectacular visuals, as the work of Bryn Oh and Cherry Manga and others demonstrates.
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