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I agree and would like to apologize for any part that I played in fueling the whole banning topic in the first place. I don't normally spend so much time on this webpage but today I got a bit carried away with, what started out to be a good debate about a grid and ended with me trying to put some mean girls in their place. Which I now see was not only wrong but a useless waste of time. I never agree with people airing their dirty laundry and especially not posting names. And even worse posting it and not allowing comments on it. I hope this website can get back to what I assume it was intended for. I come here to see the ad's and see what is new going on in opensim. And to maybe read some friendly banter. And maybe learn a thing or two. Thank you for you post. It expressed how I normally feel and I hope everyone reads it.
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I do not hold you responsible, besides you are adult enough to admit any wrong doing, which says a lot in my book, and i have nothing but respect for you.
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I'm sorry, I adore you but I disagree. I think that a public review is not only ok but necessary. I do think that this person should have their facts checked though in some cases. There should be no shame in expressing your views on a public grid that is being advertised and taking money from people. There is even a process here for "reviews" on each region that people use that is seem by the whole OSW public. Open discussion is good for the business and the consumer.
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I appreciate your review even if all of your facts weren't correct (as has been pointed out in the comments here). Some of your facts were spot on.
I was one that posted positive things about the Wolf Grid because I believe there is a kind man trying to do his best. I do believe that the community there is great and that the grid could be and might become amazing. And the control panel was super cool for non-techie people like myself.
With that said we had the 100 4x4 region pack there for months. The price was a steal (at the time) but the advertising is bogus. I mean it's technically true. You are allowed 1.2 million prims. But when we got to about 15k we started having issues. Lone did what he could to move our problem regions to different servers and he really was super helpful and fast in his customer support.
In the end we decided to leave because it was too frustrating and I was too inpatient to wait on fixes for the teleport issue and asset missing issue and others.
I would just say this : The grid has growing pains. Lone is trying out new things that could potentially be ground breaking once they are tweaked. If you have an explorers disposition and want to ride the ride then go for it. If you are impatient and easily frustrated (like I am) then pick another grid.
For transparency reasons I was currently Abbi Ashland here on OSW. I moved to OSGrid on our own server and wanted to pick a name that I liked better (so that is the reason for the new name here)
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I was one that posted positive things about the Wolf Grid because I believe there is a kind man trying to do his best. I do believe that the community there is great and that the grid could be and might become amazing. And the control panel was super cool for non-techie people like myself.
With that said we had the 100 4x4 region pack there for months. The price was a steal (at the time) but the advertising is bogus. I mean it's technically true. You are allowed 1.2 million prims. But when we got to about 15k we started having issues. Lone did what he could to move our problem regions to different servers and he really was super helpful and fast in his customer support.
In the end we decided to leave because it was too frustrating and I was too inpatient to wait on fixes for the teleport issue and asset missing issue and others.
I would just say this : The grid has growing pains. Lone is trying out new things that could potentially be ground breaking once they are tweaked. If you have an explorers disposition and want to ride the ride then go for it. If you are impatient and easily frustrated (like I am) then pick another grid.
For transparency reasons I was currently Abbi Ashland here on OSW. I moved to OSGrid on our own server and wanted to pick a name that I liked better (so that is the reason for the new name here)
all grid ownewr are dedicated to their own grids, and honestly it has nothing special technically, the control panel is inspired by what already dreamgrid for example can do with simsorround in home grids...
what you say is correct, however, please give me examples of where I went wrong and at what points.
The wolf grid is simply slow.
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what you say is correct, however, please give me examples of where I went wrong and at what points.
The wolf grid is simply slow.
I would give you examples but honestly I didn't see the points where you went wrong. I read the comments of people that I know and trust saying that you were wrong about some of the server comments you made. I'm not techie so really all I can comment on is my experience with the grid.
I do not believe that all grid owners are dedicated as Lone is. And because I spent a lot of time there and spoke with him a lot I can say for sure that he provides exceptional customer service. Even when the problem didn't get fixed I, at least, knew that I was listened to.
And as far as my "control panel" comment I wasn't comparing it to other grids panels. I was simply saying that I loved it and it was easy for me to use and understand. It was as detailed as I needed it without being overly technical.
You know...... it's really ok for people to say positive things when it's deserved. You do not need to come back to try and argue the positive statements that I make. They are statements about my experience there in which you have no knowledge of until I tell you. Accept that this was my experience or don't but don't try and convince me that the grid was more or less to me than I have stated.
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I do not believe that all grid owners are dedicated as Lone is. And because I spent a lot of time there and spoke with him a lot I can say for sure that he provides exceptional customer service. Even when the problem didn't get fixed I, at least, knew that I was listened to.
And as far as my "control panel" comment I wasn't comparing it to other grids panels. I was simply saying that I loved it and it was easy for me to use and understand. It was as detailed as I needed it without being overly technical.
You know...... it's really ok for people to say positive things when it's deserved. You do not need to come back to try and argue the positive statements that I make. They are statements about my experience there in which you have no knowledge of until I tell you. Accept that this was my experience or don't but don't try and convince me that the grid was more or less to me than I have stated.
I have never tried to convince you of something that is not, what you have narrated shows that the grid has technical problems, and that is what I try to communicate so why should I convince you of anything else? you have basically said what I have also said.
Believe me, anyone who opens a grid and has paying users will certainly try to help them as much as possible, there are costs, then there are those who invest more or those who invest less, but every single dollar collected helps to support their projects, so yes, there are grids even outside OSW (not listed here for various personal reasons) where the managers are always available.
If someone said I was wrong and proved with facts the evidence of my mistakes, welcome, I will know, as I have already done, to correct myself on that.
But how do you simply trust people on some issues that need to be proven? if you yourself have had problems, how do you trust those who claim the opposite? just because you know them? technical expertise and proof with facts are different from friendship :)
i am giving directions to do live video testing following simple steps... m people just talk... they don't do facts.
have a nice day and thanks for your comments.
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Believe me, anyone who opens a grid and has paying users will certainly try to help them as much as possible, there are costs, then there are those who invest more or those who invest less, but every single dollar collected helps to support their projects, so yes, there are grids even outside OSW (not listed here for various personal reasons) where the managers are always available.
If someone said I was wrong and proved with facts the evidence of my mistakes, welcome, I will know, as I have already done, to correct myself on that.
But how do you simply trust people on some issues that need to be proven? if you yourself have had problems, how do you trust those who claim the opposite? just because you know them? technical expertise and proof with facts are different from friendship :)
i am giving directions to do live video testing following simple steps... m people just talk... they don't do facts.
have a nice day and thanks for your comments.
I agree that people should not just trust words. Everyone has a different experience. This is why I appreciated your review. But this is also why I posted my thoughts. Products and services that are public will have positive and negative reviews and the company/owner will need to learn to deal with the good and bad comments. I want to hear both sides and then choose if I want to try the product out myself.
I'm sorry that your experience was bad. But that is not the case with all users and will not be the case.
You have a nice day as well.
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I'm sorry that your experience was bad. But that is not the case with all users and will not be the case.
You have a nice day as well.
The problem with openlife review is that it should have been done in private, they choose to be negative rather then talk it out with the grid owner. Everyone has different experiences based on many factors including types of computers and internet connections. You may be grateful for the review but I find it was unprofessional and the wrong place for something like this.
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And the actual "review" that people do on all of the regions listed here is public so what is the difference? And what is the use of a review if nobody knows about it? This makes no sense to me. There is no use going to Lone in private to say these things. He knows these things already. I know he does because I have told him.
You may not like or agree with this review but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be public.
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You may not like or agree with this review but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be public.
There is a different between reviews and personal grievances. His issue with lone should be dealt with in pvt
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Mistress... you wrote yet another nonsense, since this issue has been addressed many times in other comemnts, Lone did the same towards a person with the same probnlematiche coem autism but also more severe disabilities, so you can't even appeal to that anymore! and all of you do the same, this post stems from two of my comments removed by the author of the original post and it helps people understand how a grid works, but if you don't understand it, maybe, you have a percentage of the gains?
Even Lone himself finally admitted that he was wrong to overestimate his project...so, read the comments before talking nonsense please, or maybe you are also worthy Pagane's friend, pointing fingers is not constructive, but talking about known technical activities and warning users as you already did with other grids, if you can do it anyone can do it, right?
why do you want to hide only what is inconvenient or disliked to you? is that how life works according to you? and then please stop repeating the same things over and over again you are useless and repetitive, do you realize that? Sunshine, who has useless regions in Lone's grid, even offended poor people in order to defend the land of wolves... it's absurd, you understand this don't you?
read the comments before commenting....
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Even Lone himself finally admitted that he was wrong to overestimate his project...so, read the comments before talking nonsense please, or maybe you are also worthy Pagane's friend, pointing fingers is not constructive, but talking about known technical activities and warning users as you already did with other grids, if you can do it anyone can do it, right?
why do you want to hide only what is inconvenient or disliked to you? is that how life works according to you? and then please stop repeating the same things over and over again you are useless and repetitive, do you realize that? Sunshine, who has useless regions in Lone's grid, even offended poor people in order to defend the land of wolves... it's absurd, you understand this don't you?
read the comments before commenting....
you're right, and that's exactly what I wrote (I'm glad you got the point).
but you see there are standards from which you can't escape, and as I wrote only friendly or biased people (even offensive in some cases, you only have to read some of the comments) don't see the limits.
this is not the case for you, let's be clear about that.
I'm just saying that there are some standards of quality, and it doesn't matter how much money you invest, it doesn't matter at all, if you claim to be the best you have to have these standards of quality, otherwise you are average if not below and you are overrated, and you attract people without really offering what you sell... what do you call this?
you know, as I responded to a personal message a little while ago, I give you the same example, hoping people will read it :
It's like if I buy a ferrari, put 1.2 tons of stuff in it, add 4 overflowing trailers in the back, and then charge you for the ride in my ferrari $50 per meter... obvious it will barely do 100 mph instead of 200 (for example) and obvious it will consume three times as much! That's all it is.
so I respect paying $50 a meter with a ferrari that doesn't give me good experiences, I'd rather pay $15 but with a car that gives me the right experience.
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but you see there are standards from which you can't escape, and as I wrote only friendly or biased people (even offensive in some cases, you only have to read some of the comments) don't see the limits.
this is not the case for you, let's be clear about that.
I'm just saying that there are some standards of quality, and it doesn't matter how much money you invest, it doesn't matter at all, if you claim to be the best you have to have these standards of quality, otherwise you are average if not below and you are overrated, and you attract people without really offering what you sell... what do you call this?
you know, as I responded to a personal message a little while ago, I give you the same example, hoping people will read it :
It's like if I buy a ferrari, put 1.2 tons of stuff in it, add 4 overflowing trailers in the back, and then charge you for the ride in my ferrari $50 per meter... obvious it will barely do 100 mph instead of 200 (for example) and obvious it will consume three times as much! That's all it is.
so I respect paying $50 a meter with a ferrari that doesn't give me good experiences, I'd rather pay $15 but with a car that gives me the right experience.
So here is my review/opinion (and then I will hush). I think that people know that Lone is a hell of a nice man and he is trying hard. I think people are impressed that he is an out of the box thinker who is trying new things. And he has made it publicly known that he is on the autism spectrum. All of these things should be taken into consideration. But none of them should give him a pass for any service which someone is paying for. I left there because I was paying for something that wasn't giving me what I believed was advertised. Not everyone will feel this way though. I know some good, honest people there who love it still. It works for them. And they are currently happy with the prices they pay and the service they get.
I do not like Coke (the soda). I will not buy it and I will not drink it. It is not worth a penny to me. This doesn't mean that someone else won't be willing to put out money to drink 4 cans a day.
Thank you for the thoughtful debate.
We seem to be fighting for the last word so I will let you have it now :P lol
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I do not like Coke (the soda). I will not buy it and I will not drink it. It is not worth a penny to me. This doesn't mean that someone else won't be willing to put out money to drink 4 cans a day.
Thank you for the thoughtful debate.
We seem to be fighting for the last word so I will let you have it now :P lol