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Jupiter Rowland @JupiterRowland
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Always the same.
One thing are those that go, "I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked, but I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked!" They're rather harmless, but still a nuisance. If they see the signs that demand absolute nudity from all visitors, if they even see that there's a technical barrier that keeps dressed avatars out, they should really understand that this is a nude sim, full stop, end of discussion. If they don't want to be naked because they're too prudish and up-tight, then this is not a sim for them.
Trying to circumvent both the sim rules and the technical barrier, for one, is unfair towards those who actually do undress to visit the sim. Granted, most don't have a problem with going nude, but I guess some actually have to gather some courage before they go nude in virtual public for their first time, just because they want to see this sim.
Besides, it's pretty egotistical. "I want to see this sim. I don't want to be naked. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna. Me, me, me, me, me!" Such people obviously don't give a fucking shit for what anyone else thinks or feels. Namely that they ruin everyone's fun on a nude sim by walking around fully clothed. Either that, or they want to ruin everyone's fun out of a combination of anarchism (which in this case means anomism, disobeying all kinds of rules just because they're there) and lust for destruction.
Lastly, it'll indeed ruin another nude sim just like it has ruined so many other nude sims. No matter what "dress code" a nude sim has, whether it's "nude only, no clothes allowed", whether it's "clothing optional, but only swimwear allowed", they all ended up with more than half the visitors fully dressed. Okay, women usually dress in clubwear plus 10cm heels that you can't walk on sand in even if your life depended on it, but they don't have much of a choice. But men walk around fully covered in something that I'd never wear on any beach where it's warm enough to be naked. Black leather jacket, shirt underneath, long jeans and either leather shoes or sneakers.
I mean, it says a lot that you need a technical barrier to at least try and keep dressed avatars out of your nude-only sim. There seemed not to be any other way of keeping dressed people out. Yeah, until they found and shared ways of circumventing your barrier.
Sorry to say, but the only way of keeping your nude beach free from dressed people is by permanently banning all those who cheat themselves onto your sim.
Then, of course, there are the horny playaz. I guess most women who come to your sim and refuse to undress just want to walk around and look at the scenery and decoration. Many men want to walk around and gawk between naked female avatar's legs. And then, like you've already written, there are those. They don't just want to leer at naked women, they want to have sex with them. Full stop.
Of course, they're as fully dressed as I've described above. No, they don't want to do it right there, right then, regardless of the abundance of sex furniture, even if they could get onto the sim. They'd have to strip which they don't want to. Instead, they want to take that naked woman home with them. And no, they won't even take one piece of garment off until just a few seconds before the blowjob (or the foreplay-less fuck). Or they just take their dick out of their jeans.
In order to achieve that, they go dynamite-fishing by IM'ing the same copy-pasted chat-ups at absolutely every female avatar on the entire sim, and they'll probably continue until they catch one. Mind you, the female avatar in question hasn't even seen them yet because they never leave the landing zone. (They can't, they'd have to be naked which would be embarrassing or circumvent the barrier which would be complicated and inconvenient and ruin their outfit.)
These guys can ruin the Amoa experience even further. Women may end up being afraid of coming there because they feel like they WILL be harassed, and Amoa may end up a sausage-fest except for Holi.
Again, this can only be fought with a) a rule and b) enforcing it with bans. Either that, or make the guys believe that every last woman on the sim is lesbian. And people who can zoom from one corner of the sim to the opposite one will sooner or later clearly see this isn't the case.
Lastly, the child avatars. This topic is extremely hot. I think most of them belong to one individual, but not all of them. Now you may say that it doesn't matter because no real children are spoiled because the users behind the child avatars are adults. But the danger is something else.
I don't really like childgates. They're usually configured in such a way that they keep realistically-sized adult avatars out as well. This is because of two misconceptions: 1) Avatars in OpenSim are 15cm shorter than what the shape editor says, just like in Second Life, which is why you always have to adjust your shape 15cm taller than you want to be. (No, they aren't. And no, you don't have to.) 2) All avatars in OpenSim are generally extremely oversized. No adult avatar is under 2m. (Wrong again. OpenSim avatars are increasingly realistically-sized. A typical "2.50m", actually 2.35m Second Life avatar won't blend into OpenSim crowds but stick out as a two-and-a-half-metre giant.)
I think there are smarter childgates that try to go by worn assets rather than shape height. However, they have to be kept up-to-date with new child avatar accessories, and they can easily be circumvented.
However, sims like yours have three choices. One is constant 24/7 moderation that keeps child avatars out manually. Two is a childgate that keeps them out with either lots of especially realistic female adults as by-catch (unless you adjust it according to what I've written) or lots of kids slipping through regardless. Three is naked adult avatars having sex with naked little children (again, with grown-up people behind these child avatars) out in the open on your sim and those who see it blaming you for it.
That said, I'd suspect child avatars running around Amoa not to be the same as those who hang around paedo sims, but purpose-made by prudish, up-tight, wannabe puritan old-timers. People who wage a dirty war against all kinds of "naughty" sims so that the Adult rating can become a privilege for blues sims so that they can keep pesky kiddies off their lawns. But then again, there have been and still are so many other and even more popular sims where the Adult rating is more than justified, and they've never experienced such attacks (and some of them don't even have childgates).
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One thing are those that go, "I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked, but I wanna visit the sim, but I don't wanna be naked!" They're rather harmless, but still a nuisance. If they see the signs that demand absolute nudity from all visitors, if they even see that there's a technical barrier that keeps dressed avatars out, they should really understand that this is a nude sim, full stop, end of discussion. If they don't want to be naked because they're too prudish and up-tight, then this is not a sim for them.
Trying to circumvent both the sim rules and the technical barrier, for one, is unfair towards those who actually do undress to visit the sim. Granted, most don't have a problem with going nude, but I guess some actually have to gather some courage before they go nude in virtual public for their first time, just because they want to see this sim.
Besides, it's pretty egotistical. "I want to see this sim. I don't want to be naked. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't wanna. Me, me, me, me, me!" Such people obviously don't give a fucking shit for what anyone else thinks or feels. Namely that they ruin everyone's fun on a nude sim by walking around fully clothed. Either that, or they want to ruin everyone's fun out of a combination of anarchism (which in this case means anomism, disobeying all kinds of rules just because they're there) and lust for destruction.
Lastly, it'll indeed ruin another nude sim just like it has ruined so many other nude sims. No matter what "dress code" a nude sim has, whether it's "nude only, no clothes allowed", whether it's "clothing optional, but only swimwear allowed", they all ended up with more than half the visitors fully dressed. Okay, women usually dress in clubwear plus 10cm heels that you can't walk on sand in even if your life depended on it, but they don't have much of a choice. But men walk around fully covered in something that I'd never wear on any beach where it's warm enough to be naked. Black leather jacket, shirt underneath, long jeans and either leather shoes or sneakers.
I mean, it says a lot that you need a technical barrier to at least try and keep dressed avatars out of your nude-only sim. There seemed not to be any other way of keeping dressed people out. Yeah, until they found and shared ways of circumventing your barrier.
Sorry to say, but the only way of keeping your nude beach free from dressed people is by permanently banning all those who cheat themselves onto your sim.
Then, of course, there are the horny playaz. I guess most women who come to your sim and refuse to undress just want to walk around and look at the scenery and decoration. Many men want to walk around and gawk between naked female avatar's legs. And then, like you've already written, there are those. They don't just want to leer at naked women, they want to have sex with them. Full stop.
Of course, they're as fully dressed as I've described above. No, they don't want to do it right there, right then, regardless of the abundance of sex furniture, even if they could get onto the sim. They'd have to strip which they don't want to. Instead, they want to take that naked woman home with them. And no, they won't even take one piece of garment off until just a few seconds before the blowjob (or the foreplay-less fuck). Or they just take their dick out of their jeans.
In order to achieve that, they go dynamite-fishing by IM'ing the same copy-pasted chat-ups at absolutely every female avatar on the entire sim, and they'll probably continue until they catch one. Mind you, the female avatar in question hasn't even seen them yet because they never leave the landing zone. (They can't, they'd have to be naked which would be embarrassing or circumvent the barrier which would be complicated and inconvenient and ruin their outfit.)
These guys can ruin the Amoa experience even further. Women may end up being afraid of coming there because they feel like they WILL be harassed, and Amoa may end up a sausage-fest except for Holi.
Again, this can only be fought with a) a rule and b) enforcing it with bans. Either that, or make the guys believe that every last woman on the sim is lesbian. And people who can zoom from one corner of the sim to the opposite one will sooner or later clearly see this isn't the case.
Lastly, the child avatars. This topic is extremely hot. I think most of them belong to one individual, but not all of them. Now you may say that it doesn't matter because no real children are spoiled because the users behind the child avatars are adults. But the danger is something else.
I don't really like childgates. They're usually configured in such a way that they keep realistically-sized adult avatars out as well. This is because of two misconceptions: 1) Avatars in OpenSim are 15cm shorter than what the shape editor says, just like in Second Life, which is why you always have to adjust your shape 15cm taller than you want to be. (No, they aren't. And no, you don't have to.) 2) All avatars in OpenSim are generally extremely oversized. No adult avatar is under 2m. (Wrong again. OpenSim avatars are increasingly realistically-sized. A typical "2.50m", actually 2.35m Second Life avatar won't blend into OpenSim crowds but stick out as a two-and-a-half-metre giant.)
I think there are smarter childgates that try to go by worn assets rather than shape height. However, they have to be kept up-to-date with new child avatar accessories, and they can easily be circumvented.
However, sims like yours have three choices. One is constant 24/7 moderation that keeps child avatars out manually. Two is a childgate that keeps them out with either lots of especially realistic female adults as by-catch (unless you adjust it according to what I've written) or lots of kids slipping through regardless. Three is naked adult avatars having sex with naked little children (again, with grown-up people behind these child avatars) out in the open on your sim and those who see it blaming you for it.
That said, I'd suspect child avatars running around Amoa not to be the same as those who hang around paedo sims, but purpose-made by prudish, up-tight, wannabe puritan old-timers. People who wage a dirty war against all kinds of "naughty" sims so that the Adult rating can become a privilege for blues sims so that they can keep pesky kiddies off their lawns. But then again, there have been and still are so many other and even more popular sims where the Adult rating is more than justified, and they've never experienced such attacks (and some of them don't even have childgates).
As always, such a well written, perfectly stated description of the situation and potential solutions. I agree, that using a childgate may hamper quite alot of innocent visitors. So until a better solution is devised, manual would have to be the way.
No one faults the occasional visitors who are lagging. Though it is pretty obvious in the name, that being dressed for a ball, isn't the proper attire. Hence the question regarding laziness or lack of common sense. I always inform them after some time and only ban when it becomes apparent they are there to disregard. A good example is completely ignoring IMs and local chat. It seems to be prevalent in these times, that people feel entitled to ignore what they don't like to read or hear. So manners, are long gone. Sorry I still believe in acknowledgements and such words as thank you.
With that said, as well as others opinions, the only current solution is to continue manually. Though the one question was never really answered. Whether or not it is lack of common sense, flagrant disregard of rules or just laziness.
I think you, as well as others, may be right that it is a very small group possibly even just one with the intention of making a region look bad, ruin competition, jealousy or just downright checking to see if rules are enforced.
As for the Puritan types, I would suspect they lack I.Q. to visit such a named place and be so offended. Then again in this day and age, seems like every simpleton is offended by everything that isn't done or exists THEIR way and wants the world to bend and change for them no matter what the consequences. I blame their parents for raising such fragile, delicate and uneducated wastes of oxygen and food resources. Had they been raised right, they wouldn't be going to a place that is already offending them with it's name. Their career is limited to Troublemaker 24-7 and therapy attendee that comes with pampers, puppies and pacifiers along with crates of tissues for their issues so they can cry the seven seas.
Again, i sincerely appreciate such an in depth well thought out response to the situation and the pursuit of a solution Jupiter.
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No one faults the occasional visitors who are lagging. Though it is pretty obvious in the name, that being dressed for a ball, isn't the proper attire. Hence the question regarding laziness or lack of common sense. I always inform them after some time and only ban when it becomes apparent they are there to disregard. A good example is completely ignoring IMs and local chat. It seems to be prevalent in these times, that people feel entitled to ignore what they don't like to read or hear. So manners, are long gone. Sorry I still believe in acknowledgements and such words as thank you.
With that said, as well as others opinions, the only current solution is to continue manually. Though the one question was never really answered. Whether or not it is lack of common sense, flagrant disregard of rules or just laziness.
I think you, as well as others, may be right that it is a very small group possibly even just one with the intention of making a region look bad, ruin competition, jealousy or just downright checking to see if rules are enforced.
As for the Puritan types, I would suspect they lack I.Q. to visit such a named place and be so offended. Then again in this day and age, seems like every simpleton is offended by everything that isn't done or exists THEIR way and wants the world to bend and change for them no matter what the consequences. I blame their parents for raising such fragile, delicate and uneducated wastes of oxygen and food resources. Had they been raised right, they wouldn't be going to a place that is already offending them with it's name. Their career is limited to Troublemaker 24-7 and therapy attendee that comes with pampers, puppies and pacifiers along with crates of tissues for their issues so they can cry the seven seas.
Again, i sincerely appreciate such an in depth well thought out response to the situation and the pursuit of a solution Jupiter.
To try and answer that one question: It depends on the behaviour.
Maybe they try to work around the barrier by wearing a ballgown. Maybe they believe that it's so very unlikely that someone wears something with "gown" in the name, especially on beach sims, that the word "gown" is not on the filter list, thus you won't be expelled for wearing one. The major sign for this is if they've actually tried to breach the barrier in the gown. A minor sign would be female avatars with BoM mesh bodies wearing old layer-plus-flexi-skirt ballgowns designed in the 2000s for the system body rather than the SL imports hanging in every more recent freebie store. The idea behind that would be that it's even less likely that these are on the filter list.
Or maybe it is a combination of laziness and lack of common sense. The kind of female avatar that always wears the same clothes, regardless of the situation. You know, the kind of female avatar that'll soon be seen at least by the dozen running around snow-covered Christmas sims in sandals with 10cm spike heels and sleeveless micro-mini dresses without tights. The female counterpart to the guy who goes to the nude beach in a black leather jacket. They always wear that, they love wearing that, and they can't be bothered to change.
Why a ballgown? Because these avatars refuse to wear these tiny club dresses that seem to make up 50% of all women's fashion SL imports. They don't like super-tight jeans, super-tight leggings and ripped jeans hot pants either. They have yet to find the four SL import boxes with long skirts/dresses that aren't ballgowns. And they will either probably never discover the rare sources for different clothes or, if they do, dislike them, too. So ballgowns as daily wear it is.
This is rather unlikely, though. Women will rarely only make one outfit for their avatars. They're more likely to use them as dress-up dolls, so they would certainly have at least one outfit that's rather fit for the beach. Those who don't like "dressing up" and wear the exact self-same outfit for years are mostly men and a great deal of them. If you see a female avatar always wearing the same clothes everywhere, especially if it's a rather low-effort outfit, it's likely that there's a real-life man behind the avatar.
I could also suspect that they did actually just come from a ball-like event and decided to go check out your sim together because they needed something to do after the ball. But did any such event occur recently, an event that justifies or even requires wearing a ballgown? Besides, if such an event takes place, how many of the women will actually wear a ballgown? 30% 40% maybe? That makes it even more unlikely that a 100% ballgown-wearing group comes from such an event.
But ignorance has always played a key role in occurrences on sims that allow, encourage or even require nudity. Typical situation on Stark Islands, especially past 13:00 grid time: An avatar arrives at a Stark party for the first time. Stays there and waits for everyone's clothes to rez. Not easy with 10-20 avatars around. Notices that it takes longer than usual for attachments on certain avatars to rez. Realises that there aren't, in fact, any attachments that'd have to rez on these avatars, and that these avatars are actually naked. In public. At a party, even, amongst other avatars. Leaves without saying a word, deeply disturbed and disgusted.
The Adult rating was originally created as a warning for prudish visitors that they may encounter fully nude avatars, if not even public sexual activity in a given place. It may still work as such in Second Life, but it either does no longer in OpenSim or has never done so in the first place. People have gotten used to Adult only meaning no kids allowed, even if it's on a perfectly clean sim that'd get away with a General rating, but the sim owner hates kids. And lots of grids actually allow for weakening the Adult rating to the point where all its liberties over Moderate or even General are taken away, and only the "no children" limitation is left. No wonder many people don't expect Adult things on Adult sims anymore and will protest against them.
However, it's even worse than that. You can plaster words like "nude" or "naked" all over your sim's advertisements and its name. People either can't be bothered to read that, even if it's in the sim's name. Or they believe, it's only a name or something to spice up the description, literally nobody ever obeys dress codes in OpenSim anyway, and especially, nobody really ever gets naked in public in OpenSim, no matter where. Or both. And then you've got prudish and up-tight people entering a no-clothes-allowed-whatsoever nude beach (complete with signs on all entrances in-world), fully dressed in their streetwear, of course, and then freaking out over the sight of one naked avatar.
I still expect someone to sooner or later downrate a nude sim and write a scathing review in which they loudly complain about the naked avatars. Either they'd clearly show that they haven't even read the sim's name (evident if they demand the sim owners do something against all the naked avatars), or they'd be surprised that people actually DO go naked there.
I tend to believe that the only way of keeping people out who are both prudish and dumb is by naming a sim something with "BDSM" in it. But then you'll have to deliver, otherwise the BDSM fetishists will complain that the sim has got nothing to do with BDSM. This may be the reason why not exactly few Adult sims are BDSM-themed: Adult rating and Adult category in combination with "nude", "naked" and even "sex" in the name don't drive prudes away because they don't think any of this actually occurs on the sim.
So I believe the nudity barrier at Amoa serves well against those ignorants who don't even read sim names before teleporting there or who think it's just a name, and neither the name nor the description (if they've read it, that is) are backed by anything. They'd otherwise happily stride around the entire sim in streetwear, completely unaware that this IS actually a nude sim. Getting teleported back to the landing repeatedly when trying to enter the sim should get them to a) read the sim's name, b) read its description and/or the huge sign at the landing, c) accept it as a matter of fact and d) act accordingly.
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Maybe they try to work around the barrier by wearing a ballgown. Maybe they believe that it's so very unlikely that someone wears something with "gown" in the name, especially on beach sims, that the word "gown" is not on the filter list, thus you won't be expelled for wearing one. The major sign for this is if they've actually tried to breach the barrier in the gown. A minor sign would be female avatars with BoM mesh bodies wearing old layer-plus-flexi-skirt ballgowns designed in the 2000s for the system body rather than the SL imports hanging in every more recent freebie store. The idea behind that would be that it's even less likely that these are on the filter list.
Or maybe it is a combination of laziness and lack of common sense. The kind of female avatar that always wears the same clothes, regardless of the situation. You know, the kind of female avatar that'll soon be seen at least by the dozen running around snow-covered Christmas sims in sandals with 10cm spike heels and sleeveless micro-mini dresses without tights. The female counterpart to the guy who goes to the nude beach in a black leather jacket. They always wear that, they love wearing that, and they can't be bothered to change.
Why a ballgown? Because these avatars refuse to wear these tiny club dresses that seem to make up 50% of all women's fashion SL imports. They don't like super-tight jeans, super-tight leggings and ripped jeans hot pants either. They have yet to find the four SL import boxes with long skirts/dresses that aren't ballgowns. And they will either probably never discover the rare sources for different clothes or, if they do, dislike them, too. So ballgowns as daily wear it is.
This is rather unlikely, though. Women will rarely only make one outfit for their avatars. They're more likely to use them as dress-up dolls, so they would certainly have at least one outfit that's rather fit for the beach. Those who don't like "dressing up" and wear the exact self-same outfit for years are mostly men and a great deal of them. If you see a female avatar always wearing the same clothes everywhere, especially if it's a rather low-effort outfit, it's likely that there's a real-life man behind the avatar.
I could also suspect that they did actually just come from a ball-like event and decided to go check out your sim together because they needed something to do after the ball. But did any such event occur recently, an event that justifies or even requires wearing a ballgown? Besides, if such an event takes place, how many of the women will actually wear a ballgown? 30% 40% maybe? That makes it even more unlikely that a 100% ballgown-wearing group comes from such an event.
But ignorance has always played a key role in occurrences on sims that allow, encourage or even require nudity. Typical situation on Stark Islands, especially past 13:00 grid time: An avatar arrives at a Stark party for the first time. Stays there and waits for everyone's clothes to rez. Not easy with 10-20 avatars around. Notices that it takes longer than usual for attachments on certain avatars to rez. Realises that there aren't, in fact, any attachments that'd have to rez on these avatars, and that these avatars are actually naked. In public. At a party, even, amongst other avatars. Leaves without saying a word, deeply disturbed and disgusted.
The Adult rating was originally created as a warning for prudish visitors that they may encounter fully nude avatars, if not even public sexual activity in a given place. It may still work as such in Second Life, but it either does no longer in OpenSim or has never done so in the first place. People have gotten used to Adult only meaning no kids allowed, even if it's on a perfectly clean sim that'd get away with a General rating, but the sim owner hates kids. And lots of grids actually allow for weakening the Adult rating to the point where all its liberties over Moderate or even General are taken away, and only the "no children" limitation is left. No wonder many people don't expect Adult things on Adult sims anymore and will protest against them.
However, it's even worse than that. You can plaster words like "nude" or "naked" all over your sim's advertisements and its name. People either can't be bothered to read that, even if it's in the sim's name. Or they believe, it's only a name or something to spice up the description, literally nobody ever obeys dress codes in OpenSim anyway, and especially, nobody really ever gets naked in public in OpenSim, no matter where. Or both. And then you've got prudish and up-tight people entering a no-clothes-allowed-whatsoever nude beach (complete with signs on all entrances in-world), fully dressed in their streetwear, of course, and then freaking out over the sight of one naked avatar.
I still expect someone to sooner or later downrate a nude sim and write a scathing review in which they loudly complain about the naked avatars. Either they'd clearly show that they haven't even read the sim's name (evident if they demand the sim owners do something against all the naked avatars), or they'd be surprised that people actually DO go naked there.
I tend to believe that the only way of keeping people out who are both prudish and dumb is by naming a sim something with "BDSM" in it. But then you'll have to deliver, otherwise the BDSM fetishists will complain that the sim has got nothing to do with BDSM. This may be the reason why not exactly few Adult sims are BDSM-themed: Adult rating and Adult category in combination with "nude", "naked" and even "sex" in the name don't drive prudes away because they don't think any of this actually occurs on the sim.
So I believe the nudity barrier at Amoa serves well against those ignorants who don't even read sim names before teleporting there or who think it's just a name, and neither the name nor the description (if they've read it, that is) are backed by anything. They'd otherwise happily stride around the entire sim in streetwear, completely unaware that this IS actually a nude sim. Getting teleported back to the landing repeatedly when trying to enter the sim should get them to a) read the sim's name, b) read its description and/or the huge sign at the landing, c) accept it as a matter of fact and d) act accordingly.
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Besides, the standard paedo kiddie is extremely easy to spot. The user behind them never types his IM messages but always copy-pastes the same ones. First the girl (always a girl) "waves" at you, then she asks you how you "is", then, if you react, she says her parent's aren't there and invites you to come over.
Always.
This alone helped me initiate, I guess, a dozen bans already, if not more, on various grids. This plus the user's complete ignorance about whom he had already tried to talk up.
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Always.
This alone helped me initiate, I guess, a dozen bans already, if not more, on various grids. This plus the user's complete ignorance about whom he had already tried to talk up.
Another common sign is the all too common "Giggles". No chick ever says "giggles" that is a dude assuming chicks say that and would be convinced that it's really a 12 yo girl when it really is a 70 year old decrepit, senile, senior citizen with snow covered prunes dangling.
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Me too!! I can't say I really LIKE the word, but I'm at a loss for any suitably short alternatives. "LOL" has a sorta bawdy, uncultured sound to it. And "smiles" is just a totally different reaction altogether. "Chuckles" I suppose COULD work, but when I hear that, I always think of 'Chuckles the Clown', so that one is out. SO, a giggler I shall remain until someone can provide me with an acceptable replacement! :)
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I've heard of such difficulties and seen them myself. Some grids seem not to allow their residents to change on certain (or all) other grids, be it by deliberate choice, be it by unfortunate configuration, be it by bugs. So some avatars, even if they want to "go down and dirty", have to teleport home just to take their clothes off.
The trick with Amoa (and other nude sims) is to be Naked On Arrival. Just because you may wear clothes at the landing, doesn't mean you have to.
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The trick with Amoa (and other nude sims) is to be Naked On Arrival. Just because you may wear clothes at the landing, doesn't mean you have to.
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Difficulty number one is to ban hundreds of avatars. Add to that that these people can easily make new alts on just about any grid they want to.
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It's a bit more complicated with Amoa. There aren't only signs that say you have to be nude. There are actually technical countermeasures against clothed people running around anywhere except for the landing. There's a literal "red line" that you can (technically speaking) only cross naked. If you're dressed, you're teleported back to the landing, the only place on the entire sim where clothes are allowed.
I've seen people try to outsmart the system by teleporting past the barrier. (Yes, I've been there, but I'm neither ashamed of being nude in virtual public nor of admitting that.) They were teleported back to the landing, too.
So this is not just not having read the rules. This is not just ignoring them either. This is deliberately circumventing the automated technical enforcement of the rules.
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I've seen people try to outsmart the system by teleporting past the barrier. (Yes, I've been there, but I'm neither ashamed of being nude in virtual public nor of admitting that.) They were teleported back to the landing, too.
So this is not just not having read the rules. This is not just ignoring them either. This is deliberately circumventing the automated technical enforcement of the rules.
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Glenn, I think I've known Suzan for longer than you. Believe me when I say that if a sim is Adult-rated, she WILL go nude. Even if a sim is Moderate-rated, she'll test the water by going somewhat-but-not-quite-nude. Someone who AFAIK got kicked from an unjustifiedly Adult-rated blues club sim for public indecency will be the last person to visit Amoa deliberately clothed.
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Oh Jupiter I know that. I completely understand and agree. Suzan is not a target and I appreciate every one of her visits )).
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Have you checked out the ArcadiaShop (https://opensimworld.com/hop/86546) yet? Aaack offers a ready-made black cat.
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sounds very good thank you.... i checked the goats in the cat and there was no black one.....
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To those who are wondering why they can't get here (or on any other sim on the Social Grid): The entire grid is currently being rebuilt with only legal assets, including what will be offered in the stores. They no longer want to spread stuff copybotted from SL. This means two things: 1) The sims on this grid are currently only accessible for the grid owners so they can be worked on without visitors running around the construction site (and then leaving zero-star reviews like "wtf the sims a fkn mess" because they don't know they're on a WIP), and so that nobody can acquire anything illegal from there. 2) Even when they reopen, they will no longer offer SL content. Still, I don't know why they keep the beacons running.
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So that's where Victor keeps his Selea stash.
Need to go there and complete my own collection.
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Need to go there and complete my own collection.
I was shown the "secret secret stash" by another grid owner. Make sure, that after you are sure you got all, you realize that you should also check under the terrain. Under one of SC's houses there are multiple levels. Happy hunting. Oh, and check up high for me will ya? I forgot that on my last trip.
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I'd be surprised if there were boxes hidden away that I still don't have after the Nostalgia Neighborhood raid.
But then again, what do I know? I've just picked up a good half-dozen boxes from Trizzy...
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But then again, what do I know? I've just picked up a good half-dozen boxes from Trizzy...
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Okay, I've at least found three off-sim islands by Oopsee Joseppe. You can get them at the Lani Mall (https://opensimworld.com/hop/75049; Oopsee's shop is at 200,195). Or check the freebie store at Sunny Paradise Mall on 3rd Life Grid (https://opensimworld.com/hop/76916) where you can find the two non-volcanic islands to the left of the entrance. Upstairs, you can find off-sim reefs by Servex Congrejo.
If you're still looking for lighthouses, stay at Lani Mall and take a few steps to the right. Hylee Bekkers' shop is right next to Oopsee's and offers three different lighthouses. Sunny Paradise has them upstairs.
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If you're still looking for lighthouses, stay at Lani Mall and take a few steps to the right. Hylee Bekkers' shop is right next to Oopsee's and offers three different lighthouses. Sunny Paradise has them upstairs.
thank you i have the lighthouse it just seemed funny having a lighthouse but no off sim island, rocks or shipwrecks for the lighthouse to warn about. Thank you will check these out
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One very extensive, but not quite complete Selea Core collection can be found at Uzuri: https://opensimworld.com/hop/86638
Aurora Georgetown has another big one which I think has some boxes that the one at Uzuri doesn't have: https://opensimworld.com/hop/85377
I do wonder just how many endeavours are currently ongoing to try and collect all of Selea's boxes to offer them in one place.
I think I've seen off-sim decorations made by someone else, but I'm not sure who. I'll look that up.
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Aurora Georgetown has another big one which I think has some boxes that the one at Uzuri doesn't have: https://opensimworld.com/hop/85377
I do wonder just how many endeavours are currently ongoing to try and collect all of Selea's boxes to offer them in one place.
I think I've seen off-sim decorations made by someone else, but I'm not sure who. I'll look that up.
Short of Seleas welcome area teleporters and such, Uzuri looked to me to be pretty complete. As far as Aurora Georgetown goes, I found nothing of Seleas, but on the Opensimworld page I see the teleport board picture of it's landing point of Selia's teleport,which now looks different than the current landing point. I found Fred/Ferd's outworldz site has an Uzuri OAR file, it would be good to know if Seleas stuff is in that, and since I'm not a grid owner or do the the "one click" grid stuff, I'll have to just move on without knowing. :) Pic of Uzuri OAR download.... https://i.postimg.cc/Wp03dKqD/uzuri.jpg
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Aurora Georgetown is a bit spacious and currently a WIP, so if you want to find the Selea Core building, you can't necessarily rely on teleporters, and you have to walk around. That is, unless it was removed at some point in the last two weeks or so.
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someday someone will let us know, cuz I sure as heck am not going back anytime soon, (unless someone post a pic of proof it's all there) much less walk the joint. My time is precious, So I'll stick to my speedy camming with periodic flying where allowed. No flying allowed makes me flee home to my music filled home region of no restrictions, other than terrain editing by visitors, which is a grid owners choice, not mine.
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If you're still interested, the store is at 325/426/23.
You may also want to check out Core's Department Store at Free Life Nostalgia Neighborhood (https://opensimworld.com/hop/83497), 359/812/29 (flying allowed and recommended due to the size of the sim).
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You may also want to check out Core's Department Store at Free Life Nostalgia Neighborhood (https://opensimworld.com/hop/83497), 359/812/29 (flying allowed and recommended due to the size of the sim).
thank you yes i have two huge regions in Aviworlds and would like to have the sim surrounds so it would be good will check out the two you put up ty
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Thanks alot Jupiter, that really helps. :) I just today recieved in my lost and found a long forgotten endevour of Arcadia asylem monument with tons of her stuff inside, but am sure it's not the whole collection. And I know I'm not gonna unbox all the boxes and then set all the boxes, and then unbox each item. But anyone that loves boxes and Arcadias stuff is more than welcome to have at it.
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I have to comment here again: As of now, Amoa is the only actual strictly nude beach sim on the Hypergrid, at least the only one that isn't for a closed circle.
I mean, what was there before Amoa? Nude Beach (https://opensimworld.com/hop/84807) drops you onto a sim that's nude-only in its entirety according to signs. But they're just signs, and they aren't enforced. There's nothing keeping you from walking around the entire sim fully clothed which I guess just about everyone actually does. The same went for the now probably defunct Love Island (https://opensimworld.com/hop/80541).
Nudist Island (https://opensimworld.com/hop/75906) allows nudity everywhere, swimwear on the wooden platforms and streetwear only in the landing area so you won't break the dress code just by teleporting into an unknown sim. In other words, the ground is nude-only. But again, no enforcement of the rules at all. Only staff could do that, and I guess they haven't visited their own sim in years.
There are lots of clothing-optional, clothing-optional-but-it-has-to-be-swimwear or downright nude-only places on the Hypergrid where you'll very likely end up the only one naked amongst avatars clad in full streetwear (or clubwear in the cases of most female avatars).
People will wonder why you're naked. (Duh, because it's allowed or even officially encouraged here.)
If you're a guy, women will demand you put on clothes because they're disturbed and offended by your nudity. (Well, then don't go to Adult-rated sims that say "nude" or "clothing optional" in their description.)
If you're a girl, sleazy macho guys wearing too much for summer, let alone a beach, will try to get you laid. (And they'll want to take you home for it, regardless of dozens of pieces of sex furniture right there on the beach, and refuse to take of a single piece of garment until five seconds before the deed.)
The Amoa Nude Beach is different from all these places in one important point: You have no other choice than to go naked.
No, you really don't. The red line that separates the small landing peninsula from the vast rest of the sim is not only for show. It's a technical barrier. You walk past it with clothes on, thinking it's as harmless those "Nude beach; no clothes allowed" signs, you'll be teleported back to the landing area.
Now you may think you can easily outsmart the system. Teleport past it from the landing area with clothes on so you won't, technically speaking, walk across that line. You will get teleported to the landing area. I've actually seen this happen. I guess if you try to teleport right into the nude-only area with clothes on, you'll get sent back to the landing area as well. Either that, or you can only teleport into the landing area.
You can only get in there naked. This is actually a nude beach where you absolutely have to be nude, full stop, no discussion, no loopholes.
It's a big advantage for nudists and generally for people who like to go nude on beaches. You won't feel weird being nude amongst otherwise fully clothed people. Not even amongst people in swimwear. If there are other avatars, they're nude, too, just like you. Everyone will be in their birthday suit, not only you, everyone.
Nobody will go on your nerves by asking why you're naked. Not if naked is standard because everyone is.
Prudish, uptight "puritans" who complain about moral decay upon seeing naked people simply won't be able to enter the sim beyond the landing area (unless they go naked, too, which they won't). Neither will sleazy macho types who define their "status" through badass clothes. And neither will Peeping Toms (again, unless they go naked themselves).
Speaking of which, the sim is designed in such a way that zooming in onto the party areas from the landing area is at least difficult, if not outright impossible.
If you want to check this place out, but if you also want to stay clothed, well, pick one. Sorry, but you can't have both. If you absolutely, totally HAVE to see this place, then wait for it to be empty and devoid of other avatars. This sim isn't busy 24/7, it's usually empty for hours each day. Undress at home (just in case you won't be able to undress there; it also keeps you from desperately trying to walk into the sim clothed). Take a deep breath. Teleport in. Check out the empty sim where nobody can see you naked.
If you should panic because someone enters the sim while you're there, Ctrl+Shift+H is your friend; it'll teleport you out of the sim and back home in a jiffy. But trust me, you don't have to, at least not if it happens to be the sim staff. They're happy to see new naked visitors on their sim.
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I mean, what was there before Amoa? Nude Beach (https://opensimworld.com/hop/84807) drops you onto a sim that's nude-only in its entirety according to signs. But they're just signs, and they aren't enforced. There's nothing keeping you from walking around the entire sim fully clothed which I guess just about everyone actually does. The same went for the now probably defunct Love Island (https://opensimworld.com/hop/80541).
Nudist Island (https://opensimworld.com/hop/75906) allows nudity everywhere, swimwear on the wooden platforms and streetwear only in the landing area so you won't break the dress code just by teleporting into an unknown sim. In other words, the ground is nude-only. But again, no enforcement of the rules at all. Only staff could do that, and I guess they haven't visited their own sim in years.
There are lots of clothing-optional, clothing-optional-but-it-has-to-be-swimwear or downright nude-only places on the Hypergrid where you'll very likely end up the only one naked amongst avatars clad in full streetwear (or clubwear in the cases of most female avatars).
People will wonder why you're naked. (Duh, because it's allowed or even officially encouraged here.)
If you're a guy, women will demand you put on clothes because they're disturbed and offended by your nudity. (Well, then don't go to Adult-rated sims that say "nude" or "clothing optional" in their description.)
If you're a girl, sleazy macho guys wearing too much for summer, let alone a beach, will try to get you laid. (And they'll want to take you home for it, regardless of dozens of pieces of sex furniture right there on the beach, and refuse to take of a single piece of garment until five seconds before the deed.)
The Amoa Nude Beach is different from all these places in one important point: You have no other choice than to go naked.
No, you really don't. The red line that separates the small landing peninsula from the vast rest of the sim is not only for show. It's a technical barrier. You walk past it with clothes on, thinking it's as harmless those "Nude beach; no clothes allowed" signs, you'll be teleported back to the landing area.
Now you may think you can easily outsmart the system. Teleport past it from the landing area with clothes on so you won't, technically speaking, walk across that line. You will get teleported to the landing area. I've actually seen this happen. I guess if you try to teleport right into the nude-only area with clothes on, you'll get sent back to the landing area as well. Either that, or you can only teleport into the landing area.
You can only get in there naked. This is actually a nude beach where you absolutely have to be nude, full stop, no discussion, no loopholes.
It's a big advantage for nudists and generally for people who like to go nude on beaches. You won't feel weird being nude amongst otherwise fully clothed people. Not even amongst people in swimwear. If there are other avatars, they're nude, too, just like you. Everyone will be in their birthday suit, not only you, everyone.
Nobody will go on your nerves by asking why you're naked. Not if naked is standard because everyone is.
Prudish, uptight "puritans" who complain about moral decay upon seeing naked people simply won't be able to enter the sim beyond the landing area (unless they go naked, too, which they won't). Neither will sleazy macho types who define their "status" through badass clothes. And neither will Peeping Toms (again, unless they go naked themselves).
Speaking of which, the sim is designed in such a way that zooming in onto the party areas from the landing area is at least difficult, if not outright impossible.
If you want to check this place out, but if you also want to stay clothed, well, pick one. Sorry, but you can't have both. If you absolutely, totally HAVE to see this place, then wait for it to be empty and devoid of other avatars. This sim isn't busy 24/7, it's usually empty for hours each day. Undress at home (just in case you won't be able to undress there; it also keeps you from desperately trying to walk into the sim clothed). Take a deep breath. Teleport in. Check out the empty sim where nobody can see you naked.
If you should panic because someone enters the sim while you're there, Ctrl+Shift+H is your friend; it'll teleport you out of the sim and back home in a jiffy. But trust me, you don't have to, at least not if it happens to be the sim staff. They're happy to see new naked visitors on their sim.
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If it were just that...
Some seem to delete their sims from OSW just to re-enter them every couple weeks so that they stay amongst the most recent sims.
Even the "trick" with more than one beacon on the same sim is back and seems never to be sanctioned.
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Some seem to delete their sims from OSW just to re-enter them every couple weeks so that they stay amongst the most recent sims.
Even the "trick" with more than one beacon on the same sim is back and seems never to be sanctioned.
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This, by the way, is Nebadon Izumi & Oni Kenkon's famous Universal Campus OAR. I love to see it as vanilla as it comes, but on the other hand, I'm curious what Johnny will make out of it. (Add some food take-outs to go with the tables, please.)
Best place for a movie area is the basement of the observatory. It's already prepared for that including working furniture.
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Best place for a movie area is the basement of the observatory. It's already prepared for that including working furniture.
It truly is an awesome city. I used it way back learning on simonastick, and LOVED IT. Limitless possibilities with this jewel by Nebadon. I wouldn't change the layout of this city for anything. Only add to/ update it to give it more things to share with others. ^^ Thank you for the wonderful reply. :)
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Good news: I could get me a bikini from a store and put it on in less than 10 minutes.
Bad news: I'm not a DJ.
And Jeff Bezos is actually Dr. Evil. This is why his spaceship looks like a...
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Bad news: I'm not a DJ.
And Jeff Bezos is actually Dr. Evil. This is why his spaceship looks like a...
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I was just about to ask on my sister's behalf for one more Leonard Cohen fan. We had three, and Cay said he'd do a special if we found a fourth one.
But we've found one, and the special will be in two weeks.
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But we've found one, and the special will be in two weeks.
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What used to be a splendid (albeit slow at rezzing) source of all kinds of stuff has become irritating.
Not only does it constantly change names on OSW, but you actually land in Oceania Central in a place surrounded by rocks and ban lines so you can't even go anywhere. If you try to teleport to the actual Social Shopping (a.k.a. Oceania West) which still appears on the map with the usual top-down preview, you get the error message "Service request failed: Unable to connect to the remote server". I mean, I understand that the Social Mouse's grid is in the process of reinvention, but why leave it in such a sorry state in the meantime?
At least you aren't dropped into water like not so long ago.
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Not only does it constantly change names on OSW, but you actually land in Oceania Central in a place surrounded by rocks and ban lines so you can't even go anywhere. If you try to teleport to the actual Social Shopping (a.k.a. Oceania West) which still appears on the map with the usual top-down preview, you get the error message "Service request failed: Unable to connect to the remote server". I mean, I understand that the Social Mouse's grid is in the process of reinvention, but why leave it in such a sorry state in the meantime?
At least you aren't dropped into water like not so long ago.
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Hahaha. You, my friend, will have to pay for the TP to the park. The cost is $0 and needs to be paid in advance.
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Einmal tobt im Hypergrid schon länger ein regelrechter Bandenkrieg wie zwischen Verbrechersyndikaten, von denen zumindest eins jahrelang versucht hat, die totale Kontrolle über das Hypergrid zu erlangen, zumindest in puncto Content. Alle Seiten versuchen, sich zu profilieren und aufzuspielen mit Sachen, die sie als "ihre" ausgeben (haben ja nach eigenen Angaben viel Arbeit reingesteckt), die aber größtenteils aus SL exportiert wurden, und zwar ohne das Wissen und gegen den Willen der eigentlichen Schöpfer.
Zum Glück sind die so damit beschäftigt, daß sie nicht dazu kommen, diejenigen zu attackieren, die derweil wirklich eigenen, wirklich legalen, noch dazu wirklich guten und nützlichen, frei lizensierten und häufig auch noch quelloffenen Content anbieten. Ich glaube aber, deren Zeit kommt bald. Zum einen scheint der Krieg so ganz allmählich in sich zusammenzufallen, nachdem der Hauptakteur seinen Rückzug angekündigt hat. Zum anderen gibt es schon mindestens zwei kleine, aber nicht ganz unbedeutende Grids, die sich mit 100% legalem Content neu erfinden wollen, idealerweise nebst Angabe der Lizenz.
Kurioserweise scheint es tatsächlich Copybotting zu sein, das diesen Krieg zu einem Ende führt, wenn auch zu einem häßlichen, wo noch einmal viel schmutzige Wäsche gewaschen und in alle Richtungen ausgeteilt wird. Und zwar Copybotting im Hypergrid selbst, weil es immer noch Leute gibt, die in ihren Freebie-Shops unbedingt immer den neuesten heißesten Scheiß aus SL oder woher auch immer haben wollen, um relevant zu bleiben, aber die alten Quellen versiegt sind und alles, was "heißer Scheiß" ist, nicht mehr full-perm ist.
Und dann ist auch noch ein zutiefst arrogantes und narzißtisches Individuum aufgetaucht, das meinte, die Regeln aller Grids gelten nicht für ihn, im Gegenteil, er macht die Regeln, und denen haben sich sogar Gridadmins zu beugen. Seit man ihn aber nebst Fotobeweis auf einer "familienfreundlichen" Sim mit Kindercontent mit im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes runtergelassenen (bzw. ganz ohne) Hosen neben einem Kinderavatar erwischt hat, hört man von ihm nichts mehr.
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Zum Glück sind die so damit beschäftigt, daß sie nicht dazu kommen, diejenigen zu attackieren, die derweil wirklich eigenen, wirklich legalen, noch dazu wirklich guten und nützlichen, frei lizensierten und häufig auch noch quelloffenen Content anbieten. Ich glaube aber, deren Zeit kommt bald. Zum einen scheint der Krieg so ganz allmählich in sich zusammenzufallen, nachdem der Hauptakteur seinen Rückzug angekündigt hat. Zum anderen gibt es schon mindestens zwei kleine, aber nicht ganz unbedeutende Grids, die sich mit 100% legalem Content neu erfinden wollen, idealerweise nebst Angabe der Lizenz.
Kurioserweise scheint es tatsächlich Copybotting zu sein, das diesen Krieg zu einem Ende führt, wenn auch zu einem häßlichen, wo noch einmal viel schmutzige Wäsche gewaschen und in alle Richtungen ausgeteilt wird. Und zwar Copybotting im Hypergrid selbst, weil es immer noch Leute gibt, die in ihren Freebie-Shops unbedingt immer den neuesten heißesten Scheiß aus SL oder woher auch immer haben wollen, um relevant zu bleiben, aber die alten Quellen versiegt sind und alles, was "heißer Scheiß" ist, nicht mehr full-perm ist.
Und dann ist auch noch ein zutiefst arrogantes und narzißtisches Individuum aufgetaucht, das meinte, die Regeln aller Grids gelten nicht für ihn, im Gegenteil, er macht die Regeln, und denen haben sich sogar Gridadmins zu beugen. Seit man ihn aber nebst Fotobeweis auf einer "familienfreundlichen" Sim mit Kindercontent mit im wahrsten Sinne des Wortes runtergelassenen (bzw. ganz ohne) Hosen neben einem Kinderavatar erwischt hat, hört man von ihm nichts mehr.
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So one could say the Decadence-HG body was mostly made for a male target audience who couldn't blow all the other bodies far enough out of proportion?
And it seems typical for men to not care about their female avatars' outfit, let alone making her more than one. I mean, there are enough male avatars out there who have been wearing the same clothes for an eternity.
If I told you how many clothes and outfits I have, you might think I'm someone's female alt. Then again, the pictures I've already posted of myself here may be enough to believe that.
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And it seems typical for men to not care about their female avatars' outfit, let alone making her more than one. I mean, there are enough male avatars out there who have been wearing the same clothes for an eternity.
If I told you how many clothes and outfits I have, you might think I'm someone's female alt. Then again, the pictures I've already posted of myself here may be enough to believe that.