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There is the HG (Hourglass) body with a selection of outfit at Grimmm and a few other places. There are also some teen and children bodies though I am not over familiar with those.
One thing I would be interested in is where to find those selections of bodies with the lower complexities as the Legacy and Reborn can be pretty heavy. Someone did make a lighter weight Reborn though I forget who it was and where it is located atm.
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One thing I would be interested in is where to find those selections of bodies with the lower complexities as the Legacy and Reborn can be pretty heavy. Someone did make a lighter weight Reborn though I forget who it was and where it is located atm.
Slink Physique Hourglass exists with three "brands" in OpenSim: BBHG, Je'Thai Hourglass (with hardly modified original box art) and Decadence-HG (the only one that was upgraded to BoM). I don't know whether there are significant differences between their meshes, though.
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I'm looking to get the complete collection. I'm likely to toss the ones with outdated AV stuff, the holiday stuff, and the medieval stuff. But I'd rather be the one to sort it all out than burden people with trying to remember my likes and dislikes, There are, after all, lots and lots of boxes. People can send me all of them and I'll sort it out.
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There are no other options, that's the whole point. Vivox is less and less an option for voice in Opensim. FreeSwitch is basically a non-starter and any of the other work arounds, (Discord, Skype etc) are clunky and sub-optimal. Towards the end of my comment I highlighted a general need for funding for other aspects of Opensim that need support.
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Also, at least some of us refuse to use a corporate-owned, proprietary, closed-source piece of proven spyware for voice. Especially if it has flaky Linux support on top, or it's actually Windows-only.
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That was a primary concern of mine when I was considering voice options for a project I was involved with in 2014. Voice was a necessity, but Vivox being proprietary and closed source wasn't actually a deal breaker, but the fact that it eavesdrops was.
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agree Arielle, a lot of them were poorly worded. But just like opensim has evolved from the good old days when you hair ended up wedged in your ass, so tos and so forth have evolved.
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Sounds good in theory but too often those grids requiring GDPR authorization have problems with allowing the avatar in even after accepting the ToS. Kitely's to their credit works or at least did for me, but have seen a number of other commercial and non commercial grids where it did not to the point where when I am faced with the pop up, I don't bother and look for somewhere else to visit.
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The Tuesday afternoon dev meetings at Osgrid Dev Outreach are still an ongoing concern where various development topics are discussed. For those not able to attend one can still read the logs http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours to see what is going on to some degree. The community overall has gone over to being more concerned with content vs platform quality and as such, Opensimulator is mostly down to bug fixes and workarounds to keeping some pace with S/L.
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Some additional thoughts on why I do not use the Kitely Market. Many of us in the community really looked forward to it being brought in during its planning stages but then Kitely made some restrictive decisions which I feel really limited its reach. First of all its choice of not allowing KC credits to be a Hypergrid money option, then following it up with not allowing products to be purchased with Gloebits which at least was a hypergrid money option with better funding choices and then the icing on the cake was only allowing funding purchases through PayPal. That pretty much killed any motivation on my part to consider the Kitely Market as a viable option. I just looked over on their pages and see that ever after 9 or so years, PayPal is still their only payment option. Have to wonder how much business they didn't capture by not expanding its funding options.
Like the previous poster, I also value my time and don't care for spending a lot of time shopping. In SL for example, I purchase a lot of outfits through Stores sending out notices of new things on the market and my impulsive shopping habits are responsible for my inventory there containing much shiny. Kitely doesn't advertise the products it has on its Market through the Hypergrid (unlike some freebie stores) which does save me from breaking down and purchasing through the hated PayPal option for products that many of its creators charge a premium for if it is for someone on the Hypergrid. Finding specific items on its Marketplace I find even more difficult then the SecondLife market which has a bad reputation already.
Kitely is undoubtedly a reputable and trustworthy Grid and it has many good options but where its MarketPlace is concerned it seem more of an afterthought without much regard to advancing its reach to becoming a viable and better alternative to the Freebie market, even though I really did have high hopes for it in the beginning.
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Like the previous poster, I also value my time and don't care for spending a lot of time shopping. In SL for example, I purchase a lot of outfits through Stores sending out notices of new things on the market and my impulsive shopping habits are responsible for my inventory there containing much shiny. Kitely doesn't advertise the products it has on its Market through the Hypergrid (unlike some freebie stores) which does save me from breaking down and purchasing through the hated PayPal option for products that many of its creators charge a premium for if it is for someone on the Hypergrid. Finding specific items on its Marketplace I find even more difficult then the SecondLife market which has a bad reputation already.
Kitely is undoubtedly a reputable and trustworthy Grid and it has many good options but where its MarketPlace is concerned it seem more of an afterthought without much regard to advancing its reach to becoming a viable and better alternative to the Freebie market, even though I really did have high hopes for it in the beginning.
Thank you for your insights! From this poll though i wonder if people would use a more improved Mp anyway, so is that a demotivator for an improved system.?
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I made one purchase early on for a mesh body where the creator promised future updates but never saw a one, so it lies at the bottom of my closet, the most expensive body I have ever bought in any world and the most useless. Most of the items on that marketplace are overpriced in my opinion and the limit on not allowing free or low cost items stops me from even window shopping.
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Yet your choice of wording implies exactly what you now admit is wrong. The people who might say that the Opensim dev's initiated and supported those slogans, are simply doing what they can to cast Opensim in a bad light, somewhat like you do. Agent provocateur's so to speak and there is a long history of those coming from SecondLife to do exactly that because of their fear that they will lose residents from there to come here. It is not that they actually believe it or don't know better. You seem to do what you can to validate their beliefs by continuing to bring it up.
Fake news on the Ruth/Roth clothing? I think not. All the fitted mesh clothing for those bodies can be put in a small store and have room left to spare. At best just some very basic styles that only noobies would wear. The more fashionestic among us do not see them as a realistic option. I personally like micro dresses but prefer 6 inch heels rather than 4. Thing is that regardless of your tastes in clothes, if the Ruth creators are not putting out the type of clothing the market is looking for, consumers are not going to be beating a path to your store. Complain and whine all you want but that is how it supply and demand works. If commercial opensim creators are not putting out what people want, then you should not be surprised if noone is buying or wearing their stuff. Anything from LK is now at least 8-10 years old in fashion style. I won't wear stuff in S/L even that is more then a year old because it looks dated. How much more so when it is a decade old and doesn't include some of the newer features that have been brought into the viewers. If your sister Juno likes it that's great but does she set the standard for everyone else? I'm not going to have my avatar wear clothing I don't like, why is that hard to understand? You want commercial creators to be more successful? Then get them to start putting out stuff that the market is looking for.
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Fake news on the Ruth/Roth clothing? I think not. All the fitted mesh clothing for those bodies can be put in a small store and have room left to spare. At best just some very basic styles that only noobies would wear. The more fashionestic among us do not see them as a realistic option. I personally like micro dresses but prefer 6 inch heels rather than 4. Thing is that regardless of your tastes in clothes, if the Ruth creators are not putting out the type of clothing the market is looking for, consumers are not going to be beating a path to your store. Complain and whine all you want but that is how it supply and demand works. If commercial opensim creators are not putting out what people want, then you should not be surprised if noone is buying or wearing their stuff. Anything from LK is now at least 8-10 years old in fashion style. I won't wear stuff in S/L even that is more then a year old because it looks dated. How much more so when it is a decade old and doesn't include some of the newer features that have been brought into the viewers. If your sister Juno likes it that's great but does she set the standard for everyone else? I'm not going to have my avatar wear clothing I don't like, why is that hard to understand? You want commercial creators to be more successful? Then get them to start putting out stuff that the market is looking for.
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I won't.
I won't allow copybotting mafiya shills like you to silence me so they're unhindered in their spreading of propaganda and out-right lies.
If Luna wants my post gone, I'll leave it up to her to delete it.
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I won't allow copybotting mafiya shills like you to silence me so they're unhindered in their spreading of propaganda and out-right lies.
If Luna wants my post gone, I'll leave it up to her to delete it.
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Again, for even the last person to engrave in stone or something:
Never even once in this thread did I explicitly claim that the OpenSim devs coined even one of these phrases!
All these phrases were coined by the copybotting mafiya. And I've written exactly that in the very post you've replied to.
"Never buy in OpenSim" was to drive commercial creators and thereby competition out of OpenSim.
"Sharing is caring", "Share with no mercy" and "Share or die" was to get people to take all that copybotted stuff, open their own freebie stores and offer it there so that it'd be harder to find out who imported that stuff on which grid and first offered it on which sim.
But there are lots of people who falsely believe that these are standard OpenSim mantras and therefore have to come from the creators of OpenSim himself. Falsely. And if I tell them where these mantras actually come from, they don't believe me.
Also, I don't really buy that all the anti-Linda Kellie agitprop was solely targetted at Linda Kellie and not at all creators of legal freebies in OpenSim. After all, all this came up in times when a critical mass of users believed that all legal freebies in OpenSim were made by her. Proof: When the Sword of DMCA Damocles was looming over entire big grids due to offering stolen content, not few freebie store owners replaced everything in their stores with Linda Kellie and only Linda Kellie. No traces of Hylee Bekkers, Selea Core etc. Free & legal equalled Linda Kellie back then. So it was easy and tempting to use her name to mob all creators of legal freebies out of the Hypergrid along with commercial creators so that the copybotting mafiya could have the absolute content oligopoly.
Deadman mentioned that Linda Kellie allegedly had 50 alts. He can't possibly have referred to her grid-jumping, i.e. having 50 alts all with the same name. It sounds more like the implication that every last creator of legal freebies was actually Linda Kellie which would be justification enough to mob them all out of OpenSim.
Still today, those who go copybotting and offer their prey in OpenSim at least try to silence the creators and promoters of legal freebies. Fortunately, they're too splintered now and too busy competing against each other and one-upping each other with exclusive content to join forces and organise new anti-legal content propaganda.
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Never even once in this thread did I explicitly claim that the OpenSim devs coined even one of these phrases!
All these phrases were coined by the copybotting mafiya. And I've written exactly that in the very post you've replied to.
"Never buy in OpenSim" was to drive commercial creators and thereby competition out of OpenSim.
"Sharing is caring", "Share with no mercy" and "Share or die" was to get people to take all that copybotted stuff, open their own freebie stores and offer it there so that it'd be harder to find out who imported that stuff on which grid and first offered it on which sim.
But there are lots of people who falsely believe that these are standard OpenSim mantras and therefore have to come from the creators of OpenSim himself. Falsely. And if I tell them where these mantras actually come from, they don't believe me.
Also, I don't really buy that all the anti-Linda Kellie agitprop was solely targetted at Linda Kellie and not at all creators of legal freebies in OpenSim. After all, all this came up in times when a critical mass of users believed that all legal freebies in OpenSim were made by her. Proof: When the Sword of DMCA Damocles was looming over entire big grids due to offering stolen content, not few freebie store owners replaced everything in their stores with Linda Kellie and only Linda Kellie. No traces of Hylee Bekkers, Selea Core etc. Free & legal equalled Linda Kellie back then. So it was easy and tempting to use her name to mob all creators of legal freebies out of the Hypergrid along with commercial creators so that the copybotting mafiya could have the absolute content oligopoly.
Deadman mentioned that Linda Kellie allegedly had 50 alts. He can't possibly have referred to her grid-jumping, i.e. having 50 alts all with the same name. It sounds more like the implication that every last creator of legal freebies was actually Linda Kellie which would be justification enough to mob them all out of OpenSim.
Still today, those who go copybotting and offer their prey in OpenSim at least try to silence the creators and promoters of legal freebies. Fortunately, they're too splintered now and too busy competing against each other and one-upping each other with exclusive content to join forces and organise new anti-legal content propaganda.
Well then maybe you lost something in the translation because when you stated "Oh, and I'm not the one who believes that these slogans were coined by the devs. Many others do." It very much sounds like you are talking the Opensim devs who created the Opensim code because when we speak of Dev's, they are the only ones who carry the title. I've seen you make that same mistake before but left it but this time I am taking the time to challenge you on it. As to the rest of the long winded posts, you are simply reiterating and rehashing the same drama that caused a lot of problems to Opensim 8-9 years ago. Let it go, it is what it is and if you want legal content, go to Secondlife and buy it. You want Ruth and Roth? Have at it, your choice. They were bodies created for creators, not residents. And that's why there are no clothes for them. Blame the devs of of Ruth and Roth for wanting to create a unique body that wouldn't fit any of the existing clothes in spite of a number of us asking them to make those bodies so they would more closely fit the content that already existed. Shin and the rest of them chose not to listen to the residents and the result is what we have today. Suck it up.
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