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Its difficult to present information in a shorter way without removing all the incentives that explain the result. However, i did add a Condensed version showing just the FPS, Memory used and %, is is available in the second tab in the Excell file as well as an image on the page.
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Though I am late to the topics, from what I see this TGA is more for those creative types who are distributing content, not for us hobbyists who make one of items that follows our own particular vision. I like the idea of a standard for some of the bodies for which clothes and accessories are being advertised as available but fitting one version of Reborn or Legacy for example. I fail to see that the idea of TGA impinges on any ones creative freedom by standardizes things so that the rigging of content will have it fit the more popular.
Ruth and Roth became a bit of a mess because there was a lack of standardizing, with several different creators doing their own versions tucked away where new people had no real idea. Anything to avoid that.
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Ruth and Roth became a bit of a mess because there was a lack of standardizing, with several different creators doing their own versions tucked away where new people had no real idea. Anything to avoid that.
How do we define content though? Are the "hobbyists" not also creating content? Not all content is bodies and heads in the mesh sense.
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Well for a start I would classify those who are not advertising their created content as more of a hobbyist as it is intended more for personal wear or use.
For those creating buildings, furniture, lanscaping etc, maybe TGA is not aimed at those sorts of things as standardization is not nearly as important. On the other hand there may be tip and tricks, especially OS related that builder might benefit from. We might be loners but that doesn't mean we have to be alone all the time. Builder tend to get along with other builders best. Barbie's with Barbie's etc.
Opensim used to have this sort of community before mesh came in and Google+ was the de facto "forum" for many in OS.
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For those creating buildings, furniture, lanscaping etc, maybe TGA is not aimed at those sorts of things as standardization is not nearly as important. On the other hand there may be tip and tricks, especially OS related that builder might benefit from. We might be loners but that doesn't mean we have to be alone all the time. Builder tend to get along with other builders best. Barbie's with Barbie's etc.
Opensim used to have this sort of community before mesh came in and Google+ was the de facto "forum" for many in OS.
I see it being it's own pretty specialized (how many people have the expertise to work on mesh bodies) thing -so there I definitely agree.
Honestly, one of the benefits I can see for ameteur builders getting together is working out an *informal* standard of what things ought to be, house sizes, door sizes, etc. Do we build for 1:1 scale, 1:5 scale or something different? Those kind of questions.
Ruth was created as a learning tool, as I remember. Any other use was secondary -and the main thing I believe that killed Ruth and Roth was the free, easy access to professional quality bodies and heads from SL. Particularly heads. There was some development hell that went on, particularly with later versions; but honestly I don't think that's what did them in. It was that they couldn't compete.
That's one reason I'm adament about *not* competing with the TGA (even if I had a group -or an idea for a group). They're working on a professional level, and we're clearly not. It's good to keep expectations in check. :)
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Honestly, one of the benefits I can see for ameteur builders getting together is working out an *informal* standard of what things ought to be, house sizes, door sizes, etc. Do we build for 1:1 scale, 1:5 scale or something different? Those kind of questions.
Ruth was created as a learning tool, as I remember. Any other use was secondary -and the main thing I believe that killed Ruth and Roth was the free, easy access to professional quality bodies and heads from SL. Particularly heads. There was some development hell that went on, particularly with later versions; but honestly I don't think that's what did them in. It was that they couldn't compete.
That's one reason I'm adament about *not* competing with the TGA (even if I had a group -or an idea for a group). They're working on a professional level, and we're clearly not. It's good to keep expectations in check. :)
Not sure about the degree of professionalism that will be the result. I think the author makes it sound that way but it remains to be seen if that how it works out. Likely we will see retextures coming out like in SL as that is an easy place to start for new creators.
My own wishlist would be better huds for the bodies which was something Ruth and Roth lacked. They were very basic and personally I've not been overly impressed with BoM. I much prefer appliers but that definitely need standardization on the channels used. Maybe Ruth and Roth creators could also have a group that standardizes some aspects or consider joining the TGA as the Ruth/Roth Contingent!
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My own wishlist would be better huds for the bodies which was something Ruth and Roth lacked. They were very basic and personally I've not been overly impressed with BoM. I much prefer appliers but that definitely need standardization on the channels used. Maybe Ruth and Roth creators could also have a group that standardizes some aspects or consider joining the TGA as the Ruth/Roth Contingent!
I'm not even sure if there'll be new versions of Ruth2 v4 and Roth2 v2, even though a patch for Ruth2 v4 has just been merged.
I've mentioned it elsewhere in this thread: The whole team has moved on to a new, scratch-made family of bodies named Max. I still hope these bodies (Maxine and Maxwell) will come out this year. They're all-new meshes made in Blender by Ada Radius, combined with the scripting and the HUD that Serie Sumei has made for Ruth2 v4 and Roth2 v2.
And, most importantly, they'll most likely finally have useful devkits made by Ada herself.
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I've mentioned it elsewhere in this thread: The whole team has moved on to a new, scratch-made family of bodies named Max. I still hope these bodies (Maxine and Maxwell) will come out this year. They're all-new meshes made in Blender by Ada Radius, combined with the scripting and the HUD that Serie Sumei has made for Ruth2 v4 and Roth2 v2.
And, most importantly, they'll most likely finally have useful devkits made by Ada herself.
"Honestly, one of the benefits I can see for ameteur builders getting together is working out an *informal* standard of what things ought to be, house sizes, door sizes, etc. Do we build for 1:1 scale, 1:5 scale or something different? Those kind of questions." The door thing can be a dividing topic. I tend to make my avs realistic heights and make my doors to scale but some folks have really tall avs and want the big ass doors.
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Appreciate the support, but with the friction it has generated... would rather un-bump. It's extremely discouraging to have a good-willed idea met with rampant, unconstructive (even if argued) criticism, whose outcome leaves only 'a sure, we won't do it then' as a win-loose.
While most of us are not original creators, we do spend our good share of time (and money) and making stuff available for people: with no expectation for fame or glory. I have seen @SciattisiGrid for instance spend all hours in a day bringing latest version of EvoX heads with HUDS, and applier ready.
When all the effort is met without the same kindness it is born out of, it really discourages people from going on.
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While most of us are not original creators, we do spend our good share of time (and money) and making stuff available for people: with no expectation for fame or glory. I have seen @SciattisiGrid for instance spend all hours in a day bringing latest version of EvoX heads with HUDS, and applier ready.
When all the effort is met without the same kindness it is born out of, it really discourages people from going on.
no @AuroraAsteria , criticisms are usually constructive, but criticisms like these that I've read these days are sterile and childish. Most people who use opensim have no intention of building or creating something, but only of socializing and finding a partner, so giving these people the chance to look better doesn't seem to me to be a discussion worth having! Those who come in to do things will continue to do them. Rather, we could talk about people who do something (sometimes just modified) and then sell it and there are tons of them!
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I was told a few years ago by a professional creator that around 75-80% of her time was spent in the scripting of a body vs the meshing. We know the scripting in OS is all original so that says something about how much work it is for OS scripters. Besides, I would rather have bodies in OS that are comparable to the ones I already own in SL.
We have unique bodies in OS but they are used by a minority and have a very limited selection of clothing for them because there are no standards.
And how about if the creative energy of the OS coders were directed at enhancing the system body in the first place so that we wouldn't even need mesh bodies? There is a thought!
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We have unique bodies in OS but they are used by a minority and have a very limited selection of clothing for them because there are no standards.
And how about if the creative energy of the OS coders were directed at enhancing the system body in the first place so that we wouldn't even need mesh bodies? There is a thought!
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oh good selection of clothing at the first location for Reborn Waifu! I missed that the first time.
hop://playground.darkheartsos.com:8002/Boutiques%20NW/833/...
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hop://playground.darkheartsos.com:8002/Boutiques%20NW/833/...
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Yes, I always wait for the new releases before I update. Too often and I miss every update.
Ah, from 9.2.2^^
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Ah, from 9.2.2^^
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@CyberGlo did you catch the message Dan left for everyone about NOT clearing the region cache?
Assets and Daemons - OSgrid News
https://www.osgrid.online
dan, 8:46 AM
UPDATE: We are going to bring the grid back online 'provisionally' with some assets sequestered offline until the conversion completes. For the best experience, do not clear your region caches as there are older assets unavailable for a few months.
9:30 AM
thx you ) and hope your well
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Assets and Daemons - OSgrid News
https://www.osgrid.online
dan, 8:46 AM
UPDATE: We are going to bring the grid back online 'provisionally' with some assets sequestered offline until the conversion completes. For the best experience, do not clear your region caches as there are older assets unavailable for a few months.
9:30 AM
thx you ) and hope your well
Yes, while that is true. It will not show what is actually missing from your inventory and your build. This is just in case you want to know what is actually missing from your inventory, in case that wasn't clear. Some day you may find way too late that some items did not get brought back, so it's best to find out what they are and go and get them while people that have said items are still around and playing the game on whatever grid they are from. For example specialty stores on other grids that you got items from that are no longer in your inventory and may or may not show up once all the dust settles. Think of it as a safety feature. Example: I have taken my grid down and formatted the ssd as a linux file server. So all the gadgets and oars I made are gone now, except where a few people here and there may have copies.
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