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The subject of Moderators is a complex one. It is very easy to jump up and point fingers at one person. However, if there were an unbiased moderator, they would have seen issues on both sides of the table this last week.
If there were to be moderators / admins, would they also be able to ban sites for fake traffic? Sorry, I guess that is not a popular question.....but if we want moderators / admins...seems like they should do both. I understand that the sites and supporters of those running fake traffic will strongly disagree with this. However, might want to be careful what you are asking for.
I would like to point out a couple things about Satyr since much has been said about money. Yes, Satyr has a charge for a post and it is the most ridiculous small amount ever. However. I dont believe Satyr is charging that to "make money"......I think he charges that to keep out some of the trouble causers.
Satyr is a person who has given much to the Opensim community. He has provided us with Opensimworld, Satyr farming, SF sailboats and much more. Instead of beating his door down, I suggest we do what Lavia mentioned earlier......Ignore....igore....and Ignore. The problem......many people who complain also thrive on drama and encourage it.
I know it takes a little while to figure out the latest identity of super troll, but once it has been, let's try Lavia's idea...........ignore, ignore , ignore.
This issue is NOT Satyrs problems....it is OUR problem. OUR actions will either add fuel to the fire......or let it die out.
My message to Satyr is Thank you for all you have done....and I will pledge to do better at ignoring drama.
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If there were to be moderators / admins, would they also be able to ban sites for fake traffic? Sorry, I guess that is not a popular question.....but if we want moderators / admins...seems like they should do both. I understand that the sites and supporters of those running fake traffic will strongly disagree with this. However, might want to be careful what you are asking for.
I would like to point out a couple things about Satyr since much has been said about money. Yes, Satyr has a charge for a post and it is the most ridiculous small amount ever. However. I dont believe Satyr is charging that to "make money"......I think he charges that to keep out some of the trouble causers.
Satyr is a person who has given much to the Opensim community. He has provided us with Opensimworld, Satyr farming, SF sailboats and much more. Instead of beating his door down, I suggest we do what Lavia mentioned earlier......Ignore....igore....and Ignore. The problem......many people who complain also thrive on drama and encourage it.
I know it takes a little while to figure out the latest identity of super troll, but once it has been, let's try Lavia's idea...........ignore, ignore , ignore.
This issue is NOT Satyrs problems....it is OUR problem. OUR actions will either add fuel to the fire......or let it die out.
My message to Satyr is Thank you for all you have done....and I will pledge to do better at ignoring drama.
I completely agree. The minute you let someone start moderating, Free Speech is dead. It's NOT "Disruptive", because you can block them. Period.
Too many uneducated, ignorant and emotionally disturbed idiots, have been trying to control speech. Who would have thought that George Orwell's 1984 would become a blue print for the Libtarded Llamestream media. I figured maybe in a couple of hundred years. But we already have the Commie News Network and a whackjob named Jancowicz who wants to make the "Ministry of Disinformation". Sorry history never changes, only the ones who don't want you knowing it or learning from it. They only want you to know what they want, and you can only SAY what THEY want. Nah.
So leaving the toxic "look at me" attention seeking soap opera box un-moderated is the best option because there is a simple tool called "Block" and I have used it often.
Don't like what you see? Hit Block, ignore and move to read something else. It's what I do most times.
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Too many uneducated, ignorant and emotionally disturbed idiots, have been trying to control speech. Who would have thought that George Orwell's 1984 would become a blue print for the Libtarded Llamestream media. I figured maybe in a couple of hundred years. But we already have the Commie News Network and a whackjob named Jancowicz who wants to make the "Ministry of Disinformation". Sorry history never changes, only the ones who don't want you knowing it or learning from it. They only want you to know what they want, and you can only SAY what THEY want. Nah.
So leaving the toxic "look at me" attention seeking soap opera box un-moderated is the best option because there is a simple tool called "Block" and I have used it often.
Don't like what you see? Hit Block, ignore and move to read something else. It's what I do most times.
This isn't a free speech debate. The request for moderation is about people coming in here who are specifically seeking to disrupt the flow of what people do and share on this site related to virtual worlds. This alt of many faces keeps coming back and harassing anyone and everyone, especially those who engage them on ANY topic. Then it spirals into the box being held hostage by a nonstop abusive tirade. You were in the last one. Did you feel like that individual had anything to say about what their region was or what they so in the OpenSim? No...it was just looking for bits and peices to blow totally out of proportion so they could call the Metro police. Before that it was Anonymous.....this is not about moderating free speech. It's about the function of the site itself and people who come in with the intention to make the box completely unusable. Sure we can block. But sometimes we're blocking 2 and 3 people a week when we just came in to say "Hey look I made a cool thing...come to X place if you want a copy."
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It would control free speech because as like on SL, if someone didn't like what you said, or agreed with it, they called it "Hate" speech (Even though there is no such thing) and then you were banned or ejected from whatever sim you were in.
As I said, all it takes is the WRONG moderator to inject THEIR version of what is acceptable to post, and free speech is done.
Yes it's sad that we get a few insane morons a week in that box because they are socially and sexually challenged in all of life's endeavor and looking for some place to blast because they are jealous of something. Too bad so sad for them, blocked and I move on.
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As I said, all it takes is the WRONG moderator to inject THEIR version of what is acceptable to post, and free speech is done.
Yes it's sad that we get a few insane morons a week in that box because they are socially and sexually challenged in all of life's endeavor and looking for some place to blast because they are jealous of something. Too bad so sad for them, blocked and I move on.
I'm going to focus on the topic. First of all it's likely been all the same individul doing this. They have some very obvious patterns. But it's not just about their blasting in the box. They're making some disturbing threats against folks here. And yes we can block. But if you happen to log in mid spiral and you don't know that you're about to be their flavour of the week terrorist they're threatening to kill that's a bit jolting. And I am aware they also stalk folks from here at events and get into IMs the same way. Which is not something OSW can do anything about but still, let's make one place where they can't keep coming back to cause damage.
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100%!!!!! It's not a level playing field when it becomes people being silenced to avoid being targets!
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And it's not just limited to the box anymore. It started there but now when they come in it's posts, region comments etc.
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And I feel like I need to address the coins thing. Monetizing anything will create a barrier for anyone who struggles financially. "I would like to point out a couple things about Satyr since much has been said about money. Yes, Satyr has a charge for a post and it is the most ridiculous small amount ever. However. I dont believe Satyr is charging that to "make money"......I think he charges that to keep out some of the trouble causers." The minimum buy in to get any coins is $10.00 USD. That might not seem like a lot but if someone is struggling, it can be. Some folks are just lucky to be able to have the internet and a computer of any kind. This isn't being provided for free. For full engagement, folks are paying. And not everyone can. That's why the box or whatever free chat there is is important. Because that should be a level playing field and safe space.
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if we are gonna quote numbers.....let's tell the whole story.
$10 = 600 coins
1 post = 5 coins
therefore $10 = 120 posts
or the cost of a post is approximately 8 1/3 cents
In the last 24 hours there were 25 posts
So 25 x .0833 = $2.08
Yes....it is true....Satyr made $2 (approximately) from posts in the last 24 hours. OMG how awful!
Satyr does make some money from ads and promos.......but virtually nothing from posts. He has kept posts affordable for the people of opensim.
$2.08 in 24 hours
That works out to Satyr making less than 9 cents an hour income for the postings!
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$10 = 600 coins
1 post = 5 coins
therefore $10 = 120 posts
or the cost of a post is approximately 8 1/3 cents
In the last 24 hours there were 25 posts
So 25 x .0833 = $2.08
Yes....it is true....Satyr made $2 (approximately) from posts in the last 24 hours. OMG how awful!
Satyr does make some money from ads and promos.......but virtually nothing from posts. He has kept posts affordable for the people of opensim.
$2.08 in 24 hours
That works out to Satyr making less than 9 cents an hour income for the postings!
I hear all that. And I know it's not some big racket. I know there are server costs too and domain etc. I still stand by that for some folks, the buy in to start being 10 bucks means they don't buy in. That's all. You are also awesome:)
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I hear what you're saying. The traffic thing again would have to be proven to be enforced. I have to respectfully disagree that this is just drama. This is people being harassed and mistreated and Satyr getting many many complaints about it. Yes he has done lots of great things and I'm not discounting those. If you're going to run a big site like this it does need to be looked after. Right now I'm deciding whether I stay or go. And if the majority opinion on how to deal with a nonstop barrage of abusive alts is suck it up buttercup...I'll likely go. And recognize that this just isn't the place for me. I want to relax in my free time and build cool stuff. I'd like to think...hope to think Satyr cares more than that about this place.
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Some of us remember the early days of OpenSim when it was a vibrant community focused on sharing tips, resources, and ideas to build our own unique spaces in the metaverse. Back then, the atmosphere was supportive and collaborative, driven by a passion for creativity and exploration. However, over time, the dynamics have shifted towards a more competitive environment centered around traffic and events. This shift has caused some to lose sight of the original spirit of OpenSim, where camaraderie and creativity were paramount. Instead of fostering a culture of collaboration and shared learning, there is now a focus on metrics and competition. And with that competition come the trolls, trying to take each other out. And some have succeeded. For the box to continue there has to be moderation. Yes we can ban and ignore but what about the new members or visitors of the OSW site? They see this when they first visit, this tarnishes all the work we have accomplished, all of us have built opensim. We respect Satyr and what he has provided for us, this site connects all of us.
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There is at least one outpost of collaboration and support on OSW: the "What Are You Looking For" group. In just 6 months, we have grown to 101 members. That shows me both how needed the group is, and that people are eager to help one another. https://opensimworld.com/groups/1060
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I applaud you for this, thank you for this link I will go there and see. Anytime I can be of help with obtaining items please let me know, I have many resources sites that allow us to use the models and such. I enjoy finding what people need. Ask Anna, I think I created some unusual items for her in the past lol it is FUN!
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Ah, you will be a great addition to our group. There was at least one time when an item could not be found, so someone made it! Many people ask for help in the box, but their message quickly disappears under all of the newer comments. In the group, posts persist, so you can scroll down to see what is still needed. I encourage you to see if you can help with some of the older requests. Also, if you see someone asking in the box for help finding something, let them know about the group. I look forward to having you be part of our lovely community of seekers and helpers,
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Some bunny tried to sell me a lucky rabbits foot one day, but he wanted to charge me an arm and a leg! I said PFFT! get out of my hare!
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We've got the girls....and the rum....and DJ Anthony has the best rock from the 80's and 90's! come on out!
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Thank you for the mention; I am so glad we could help you with your merman tail. Great looking build!
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Just a quick note here.....The response to the Underwater building has been Crazy.....so I decided to Double the size and add ruins , wrecks and lots more! Shout out to Misty Falls for custom creating 5 animesh mermaids for the store.
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good morning my friend, I am very sorry but you are mistaken about this being "organized harrassment." I dont know most of these people! I have a grid to run and trees to plant.....I do not spend my time trying to cause pain to others. I hope you have a very happy day!
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Good morning to you as well, I hope yours is going well.
I didn't mean to imply that *this specific post* was intended as part of the harassment campaign. As far as I know, you're only following the red flag du jour. That said, there has clearly been harassment against the #1 place region on OSW using Child Avatars as the justification. If there had not been child avatars, the issue would have been something else (it has been before) or someone would have taken child avatar alts in there to frame the owners (a trick we have seen played out here before, too).
My message was not aimed at your blog post, nor even at you. It was in reply to Soda's alluding to harassment campaigns and I was taking the opportunity to expand on that point.
The OSW audience is fond of eating itself from time to time (individuals change, but the harassment does not). OSW alternatives have come and gone but no one supports or uses them so honestly -the fault for opensim being so toxic, hostile and prone to harassment is with all of us to varying degrees.
So I wasn't mistaken. I was making a different point entirely...in response to something that Soda said.
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I didn't mean to imply that *this specific post* was intended as part of the harassment campaign. As far as I know, you're only following the red flag du jour. That said, there has clearly been harassment against the #1 place region on OSW using Child Avatars as the justification. If there had not been child avatars, the issue would have been something else (it has been before) or someone would have taken child avatar alts in there to frame the owners (a trick we have seen played out here before, too).
My message was not aimed at your blog post, nor even at you. It was in reply to Soda's alluding to harassment campaigns and I was taking the opportunity to expand on that point.
The OSW audience is fond of eating itself from time to time (individuals change, but the harassment does not). OSW alternatives have come and gone but no one supports or uses them so honestly -the fault for opensim being so toxic, hostile and prone to harassment is with all of us to varying degrees.
So I wasn't mistaken. I was making a different point entirely...in response to something that Soda said.
Your comments about OSW are very wise and true. In all honesty, OSW reflects the best and the worst of opensim. I cannot change Opensim or OSW, However, I can change Safine.....and how Safine reacts to certain things. That is something I work on every single day. Some days I do better than others ; ))) Huggs for my friend!
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What a beautiful comment! I may not agree with you on everything, but we definitely need more of you in the world! Huggs to you!
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*hugs* absolutely -and I support that. Like I just said to Arielle; I do not fault *anyone* for wanting to feel safe on their regions by not taking risks they're uncomfortable with. If you see having kid avatars as a potential legal liability you have every right to not allow them. We need to do what we can to feel safe in the places we run.
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Hello my friend! good to see you! Thank you for taking the time to write a very polite response showing your opinion on this matter. As I have pointed out to others, I want to remind you that this post is not about my opinions or my morals....it is about the LAW. I will gladly discuss LAW....but really do not care to debate opinions. I respect that your opinions are different than mine, thats ok. I am not trying to change anyone, but I am offering a logical legal reason for why children are not allowed on my grid.
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Are you not understant LAW answer? "NO right answer!"
Do what you want in your SIM, only not scream loud against ..... kids, size, boobs.... etc.... Kick someone who you not like, WITHOUT explain about small size or body or any other. Kick who you not like and all is ok! This is your SIM. NO RIGHT RULES! Every rule is against some law....
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Do what you want in your SIM, only not scream loud against ..... kids, size, boobs.... etc.... Kick someone who you not like, WITHOUT explain about small size or body or any other. Kick who you not like and all is ok! This is your SIM. NO RIGHT RULES! Every rule is against some law....
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Hello Snik, Might want to take the time to read my post again. I did not mention morals.......I did not mention my opinion. I mentioned LAW. You also might want to read the law....because it does not matter if the person behind the child avi is adult or child in many countries. Reading is Fundamental!
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thoughts and prayers with 3rd Rock > although I do not know you all personally, I can understand what a difficult time this is. I can add some land at no cost if it will help
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